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Repercussions long term of Nixon’s opening to China? From China then to now

Repercussions long term of Nixon’s opening to China?


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Repercussions long term of Nixon’s opening to China?

Please answer based upon the long-term effects of this decision

Yes – correct decision

No – China is a substantial threat- economically and militarily

Other Pls explain

Consider the rising military and economic powerhouse that China is today.
Disregarding treaties - United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea -
What Does the Nine-Dash Line Actually Mean? | The Diplomat

How China's Foreign Policy Threatens The Globe

China's expansion in the disputed South China Sea - Business Insider

Consider that the Ruling Elites of China are not hesitant about using Nationalism in their disputes with Japan and those that disagree with the position of China in the South China Sea

President Xi Jinping has not been shy with playing the Nationalist card which will eventually push him into a corner that he created.Letting the mobs run loose will create a situation where his only recourse is using military force or losing face and being removed from power.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/27/china-south-china-sea-nationalism-united-states-navy-lassen/

But what look like stern warnings to the United States have prompted an outpouring of ridicule among China’s grassroots nationalists, who often evince online frustration at what they see as the Chinese government tendency to issue protests rather than take military action. Media giant Sina posted the Chinese foreign minister’s Oct. 27 warning to its news account on the Twitter-like site Weibo, where it quickly garnered more than 3,000 comments. “Don’t act rashly, otherwise I will start scolding you!” wrote one user in a popular comment, mimicking the Chinese foreign minister’s response to the U.S. naval operation. “What Wang Yi really means,” wrote another, “is ‘if you dare do this again, you better believe I’m going to strongly condemn you!’” A third user wrote mockingly, “We lodge a protest, we seriously lodge a protest, we protest we protest we super duper protest!”

Pls familiarize yourself with what the Chinse refer to as Century of Humiliation. Link below,

http://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/3.10.11Kaufman.pdf

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/nixon-arrives-in-china-for-talks

In an amazing turn of events, President Richard Nixon takes a dramatic first step toward normalizing relations with the communist People’s Republic of China (PRC) by traveling to Beijing for a week of talks. Nixon’s historic visit began the slow process of the re-establishing diplomatic relations between the United States and communist China

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-f...e-united-states-nixons-legacy-after-40-years/

The element in the relationship that is unrecognizable from the time of Nixon’s trip, of course, is the economic. The U.S. business community has been the anchor of U.S.-China relations for the last 30 years, as we have built up an annual trade relationship of over $500 billion, with huge U.S. investments in China and growing Chinese investment here. The business community, however, is now divided in the face of Chinese competition, some conducted in ways in conflict with Western norms. Pressure inside the United States for strong action against Chinese economic practices has been building. In the years ahead economic frictions may prove a greater challenge to a smooth relationship than the international security issues that have been the historic core of U.S.-China relations.

Finally, there is the emerging risk of bilateral security competition, based either on real or perceived threats from the other. Many Americans look at China and see a People’s Liberation Army growing at 15% per year, a dictatorial government without the constraint of domestic accountability, a system opaque about its strategic intentions and doctrines, a claimant to Taiwan and the South China Sea, and a modernizing nuclear power. Many Chinese look at the United States and see a country seeking to contain its rise by military alliances, surveillance, and modernization along its periphery, preparation for a potential war, support for China’s continuing division, and efforts to promote regime change. Management of this security dilemma on both sides will require cool-headedness, leadership, and courage against domestic forces who might find benefit in a new cold war.
 
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Correct and mature choice at the time.

So many people there have been lifted from extreme poverty and misery with the end of Maoist lunacy.
 
I believe it was, overall, a good move. Then and now. I don't see what we would have gained by not engaging them. I also believe that their economic investment has become so big that it actually discourages rash military incidents. They push the envelope, to be sure, and we don't know how the South China Sea thing will evolve, but they are less unpredictable now because they have more to lose.

I'm not so sure that officially casting Taiwan aside, though, was a good move.
 
Repercussions long term of Nixon’s opening to China?

Please answer based upon the long-term effects of this decision

Yes – correct decision

No – China is a substantial threat- economically and militarily

Other Pls explain

Consider the rising military and economic powerhouse that China is today.
Disregarding treaties - United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea -
What Does the Nine-Dash Line Actually Mean? | The Diplomat

How China's Foreign Policy Threatens The Globe

China's expansion in the disputed South China Sea - Business Insider

Consider that the Ruling Elites of China are not hesitant about using Nationalism in their disputes with Japan and those that disagree with the position of China in the South China Sea

President Xi Jinping has not been shy with playing the Nationalist card which will eventually push him into a corner that he created.Letting the mobs run loose will create a situation where his only recourse is using military force or losing face and being removed from power.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/27/china-south-china-sea-nationalism-united-states-navy-lassen/



Pls familiarize yourself with what the Chinse refer to as Century of Humiliation. Link below,

http://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/3.10.11Kaufman.pdf

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/nixon-arrives-in-china-for-talks



https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-f...e-united-states-nixons-legacy-after-40-years/

It was brilliant, given the fact that Russia was our enemy. Making friends with China was sensible.
 
You cannot ignore 20-25% of the World's population as the Globe grows smaller by interconnections. It's been a true pleasure to watch China rise and develop into a moderately prosperous and stable Nations of 1.4 billion citizens. Since they have had a continuous society for 5-5,500 years, they don't expect anything to happen right now. Planning is how you run huge numbers of people. The USA is like their children that always want "instant gratification," and that is a government flaw. I think China's rise will bring more stability to the World because they reduce the power of the old boy banking and politics network, but they're not in a hurry. Instant gratification is not their solution. Think about Syria, Libya, Iraq, etc.
 
It was brilliant, given the fact that Russia was our enemy. Making friends with China was sensible.

And 50 odd years later, is it still a brilliant move?
 
You cannot ignore 20-25% of the World's population as the Globe grows smaller by interconnections. It's been a true pleasure to watch China rise and develop into a moderately prosperous and stable Nations of 1.4 billion citizens. Since they have had a continuous society for 5-5,500 years, they don't expect anything to happen right now. Planning is how you run huge numbers of people. The USA is like their children that always want "instant gratification," and that is a government flaw. I think China's rise will bring more stability to the World because they reduce the power of the old boy banking and politics network, but they're not in a hurry. Instant gratification is not their solution. Think about Syria, Libya, Iraq, etc.

What is your opinion on their claims in the S China Sea?
Consider they ignored a ruling based upon a treaty they signed.
 
And 50 odd years later, is it still a brilliant move?

Depends on how you see it. Would you rather have China as a trading partner, who is dependent on American dollars, or would you rather have an isolated enemy with a population of over a billion people?

I'd rather see those billion people making plastic toys then marching through Mongolia or invading the Philippines, and triggering another world war. But, hey, that's just me.
 
Repercussions long term of Nixon’s opening to China?

Please answer based upon the long-term effects of this decision

Yes – correct decision

No – China is a substantial threat- economically and militarily

Other Pls explain

Consider the rising military and economic powerhouse that China is today.
Disregarding treaties - United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea -
What Does the Nine-Dash Line Actually Mean? | The Diplomat

How China's Foreign Policy Threatens The Globe

China's expansion in the disputed South China Sea - Business Insider

Consider that the Ruling Elites of China are not hesitant about using Nationalism in their disputes with Japan and those that disagree with the position of China in the South China Sea

President Xi Jinping has not been shy with playing the Nationalist card which will eventually push him into a corner that he created.Letting the mobs run loose will create a situation where his only recourse is using military force or losing face and being removed from power.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/27/china-south-china-sea-nationalism-united-states-navy-lassen/



Pls familiarize yourself with what the Chinse refer to as Century of Humiliation. Link below,

http://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/3.10.11Kaufman.pdf

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/nixon-arrives-in-china-for-talks



https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-f...e-united-states-nixons-legacy-after-40-years/

At the time it was a good thing opening up U.S. markets to another 1/5th of the world population. But that was more than four decades ago and it is a much different world now than it was in the early 1970's with many new situations and policy decisions evolving over those years. History is a good teacher for cause and effect and results lessons, but policy must always adapt to modern day situations as history is never static. I am certainly hoping Trump has better instincts dealing with China than we witnessed in the last three administrations.
 
Repercussions long term of Nixon’s opening to China?

Please answer based upon the long-term effects of this decision

Yes – correct decision

No – China is a substantial threat- economically and militarily

Other Pls explain

Consider the rising military and economic powerhouse that China is today.
Disregarding treaties - United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea -
What Does the Nine-Dash Line Actually Mean? | The Diplomat

How China's Foreign Policy Threatens The Globe

China's expansion in the disputed South China Sea - Business Insider

Consider that the Ruling Elites of China are not hesitant about using Nationalism in their disputes with Japan and those that disagree with the position of China in the South China Sea

President Xi Jinping has not been shy with playing the Nationalist card which will eventually push him into a corner that he created.Letting the mobs run loose will create a situation where his only recourse is using military force or losing face and being removed from power.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/27/china-south-china-sea-nationalism-united-states-navy-lassen/



Pls familiarize yourself with what the Chinse refer to as Century of Humiliation. Link below,

http://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/3.10.11Kaufman.pdf

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/nixon-arrives-in-china-for-talks



https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-f...e-united-states-nixons-legacy-after-40-years/

It's different, sure. But in this it's like technology. It has helped us greatly and life is much better than in the Middle Ages. But in a few shorr years preceding 1945 it made it possible to kill 60 millions. Helping China develop as we have has produced similar large benefits and holds horrendous dangers. We need those benefits. If we don't find a method to defuse the dangers, we might lose it all.
 
Correct and mature choice at the time.

So many people there have been lifted from extreme poverty and misery with the end of Maoist lunacy.

It was the decision that our society was willing to deal and easiest to live with. Whether or not it was the "mature" one, I have wondered about ever since.
 
It was the decision that our society was willing to deal and easiest to live with. Whether or not it was the "mature" one, I have wondered about ever since.

China’s intimidation of its neighbor’s spells for an upcoming military confrontation. Not with the US directly, but by sidelining 1 smaller country after another ref their SC Seas claim and the 9-dash line.
The US will be the last one they confront, but it is coming

Under Duarte the Philippines is playing a dangerous game.

Add in the way the President has been upping the Nationalist card with the way China has moved to a confrontational policy and possibly then a war or a line in the sand/water with the US.

The Chinese intend to fortify and upgrade defenses and in particular attack capability on these man-made islands.

They intend to make the costs in blood and treasure too high for the US public to stand for.

The Chinese lost face when the US Fleet sailed freely thru the Taiwan Straits back in 96 or 97. This caused immense loss of face for the Chinese.
Many think these missile systems are directed at Taiwan. They are there for the Chinese if they wish, to stop a repeat of the Fleet sailing freely thru these waters.
That would occur in the event of high tensions. Tensions that we see are on the rise.
 
Repercussions long term of Nixon’s opening to China?

Please answer based upon the long-term effects of this decision

Yes – correct decision

No – China is a substantial threat- economically and militarily

Other Pls explain



Other. I need 200 years.




In 2016, we really ought to be considering the long-term effects of the introduction of Britain, Imperialism, and Opium.
 
Other. I need 200 years.




In 2016, we really ought to be considering the long-term effects of the introduction of Britain, Imperialism, and Opium.

https://peterhousehold.blogspot.ca/2011/07/chou-en-lai-on-french-revolution-did-he.html

Chou and Nixon did indeed converse about events in France. But whilst Nixon’s question referred to the Revolution of 1789, Chou’s reply referred to les évenéments of 1968 – the Paris student riots and sit-ins just three years before.

It seems this all came out at a seminar in Washington (in early June, I surmise) to mark the publication of Kissinger’s book, On China. Chas Freeman is reported to have said “I distinctly remember the exchange. There was a misunderstanding that was too delicious to invite correction”; also that Chou’s misconstrued comment was “one of those convenient misunderstandings that never gets corrected”. Moreover that this probably occurred over lunch or dinner, during a discussion about revolutions that had succeeded and failed; not in the walled garden.
 
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