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What sentence should Dylan Roof get?

What sentence should Dylan Roof get?

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X Factor said:
That's really not an answer. For all I know you perceive torturing a white guy for hours is not any kind of a big deal at all. Certainly missing any condemnation on your part. If anything, you seem sympathetic to the "four black youths".
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You're talking out of your ass.
 
RickJames3000 said:
That's simply ridiculous. There's no valid argument which could make these crimes equivalent.
I hope you never serve jury duty.

And FYI... my comment was in response to another poster who claimed that Dylann Roof deserves the same punishment as the four Chicago black youth.
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I'm with you on this James. As despicable as the kidnap/torture stuff was, they let the guy go at the end. Dylan, went the extra mile and blew their brains out. No comparison is warranted here except the hate part.

Dylan committed a death penalty offence. The four people in Chicago committed a 10-20 year sentence type offense. Hell, they didn't even sexually assault him. So maybe they serve no more than 5 years, when all is said and done, depending on their priors.
 
calamity said:
I'm with you on this James. As despicable as the kidnap/torture stuff was, they let the guy go at the end. Dylan, went the extra mile and blew their brains out. No comparison is warranted here except the hate part.
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Why is it despicable if Trump supporters are everything you've said they are?
 
calamity said:
I'm with you on this James. As despicable as the kidnap/torture stuff was, they let the guy go at the end. Dylan, went the extra mile and blew their brains out. No comparison is warranted here except the hate part.

Dylan committed a death penalty offence. The four people in Chicago committed a 10-20 year sentence type offense. Hell, they didn't even sexually assault him. So maybe they serve no more than 5 years, when all is said and done, depending on their priors.
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Ohhh, 5 years, what? Probation? Yeah you're really apallled by what they did. :lol:
 
TheGoverness said:
Like I said, this isn't a competition. A hate crime is a hate crime no matter what.

Technically speaking it is worse, since people were murdered, but in my eyes, both acts are just as vile.
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The result is certainly worse but I respect that you find what happened to the kidnap/torture victim to be horrific and really wrong as well (despite the fact he "wasn't even sexually assaulted").
 
X Factor said:
Ohhh, 5 years, what? Probation? Yeah you're really apallled by what they did. :lol:
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I'm just being realistic. 5 years served for kidnapping and battery, with no sexual assault or murder, sounds about right. Maybe they add a minimum 5 more for the hate crime. Who knows how they handle that one?

I've seen enough of these cases go that way, less the hate crime aspect. Kidnap an ex. Rough her up, do whatever, you're looking at 5 years, tops, even if you do rape her--assuming it's a first offense and it gets plea bargained.
 
X Factor said:
No answer to that? Oh, and they didn't just let him go.
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I'm sure the special needs guy wasn't a Trump supporter. He is probably to smart to be one.
 
calamity said:
I'm just being realistic. 5 years served for kidnapping and battery, with no sexual assault or murder, sounds about right. Maybe they add a minimum 5 more for the hate crime. Who knows how they handle that one?

I've seen enough of these cases go that way, less the hate crime aspect. Kidnap an ex. Rough her up, do whatever, you're looking at 5 years, tops, even if you do rape her--assuming it's a first offense and it gets plea bargained.
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This one will have too much press for there to be leniency you're hoping for. Most people think this was pretty bad.
 
X Factor said:
This one will have too much press for there to be leniency you're hoping for. Most people think this was pretty bad.
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What makes you imagine I would advocate leniency? :roll:
 
calamity said:
I'm sure the special needs guy wasn't a Trump supporter. He is probably to smart to be one.
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So the guy didn't deserve it because he likely wasn't a Trump supporter. If he was though...;)
 
X Factor said:
So the guy didn't deserve it because he likely wasn't a Trump supporter. If he was though...;)
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Well, that is a tough question. Let's say he is not special needs, but just an alt-right short bus type...hmmm. Maybe hand out four medals. :roll:
 
calamity said:
What makes you imagine I would advocate leniency? :roll:
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What have you said that would make anyone think you believe that a strict punishment is warranted here? I've just seen a bunch of reasons from you why it's not that big of a deal.
 
X Factor said:
What have you said that would make anyone think you believe that a strict punishment is warranted here. I've just seen a bunch of reasons from you why it's not that big of a deal.
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I'd like to see 20-30 years served for this by all four. But, I doubt it plays that way, for the reasons I mentioned that caused you to meltdown and lose sight of reality due to emotional overreaction.

The chick with the multiple police encounters and prior conviction may end up with a harsher sentence though. But, the guys who did the damage are first-timers, plus they didn't commit the forced entry into the neighbors apartment; the chicks did.

The kidnap angle may be hard to prove too since the vic went willingly. It may get reduced to forced imprisonment.
 
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calamity said:
Well, that is a tough question. Let's say he is not special needs, but just an alt-right short bus type...hmmm. Maybe hand out four medals.
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I was going to suggest you were hoping for some sort of award but I thought that would be a little over the top. Thanks for taking it there for me. My work here is done.
 
X Factor said:
I was going to suggest you were hoping for some sort of award but I thought that would be a little over the top. Thanks for taking it there for me. My work here is done.
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dishonest work since you deleted the little eye-rolly

BTW: Here's how these things usually work out. 6 years, 9 months.

Man seeks new trial for vigilante justice in Sterling Heights

Bosca is serving a minimum of six years and nine months following convictions for holding four male teens in his basement, and beating and torturing them in June 2011. The victims had broken into his home and stolen money and marijuana, or knew who had done so four days earlier, and were induced to return.
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X Factor said:
Not really comparable. Victims weren't "innocent" in that they'd broken into his house.
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No one cares about that when it comes down to game-time. Have you ever been involved in criminal trials or paid close attention to that stuff? It's a whole new world. Besides, he "lured" them into his house.

Like I said, since the victim went voluntarily and had a "confrontation" with one of the assailants, you can bet the kidnapping charge flies out the window. Once that's gone, you're talking less than ten years on all charges except the hate crime aggravating circumstance. That alone may carry 10 years. I do not know much about those laws.
 
calamity said:
No one cares about that when it comes down to game-time. Have you ever been involved in criminal trials or paid close attention to that stuff? It's a whole new world. Besides, he "lured" them into his house.

Like I said, since the victim went voluntarily and had a "confrontation" with one of the assailants, you can bet the kidnapping charge flies out the window. Once that's gone, you're talking less than ten years on all charges except the hate crime aggravating circumstance. That alone may carry 10 years. I do not know much about those laws.
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More than you'll ever know. Juries expect victims to be "innocent". Not saying it should matter but it does. Whether he went voluntarily initially I don't know but even if he did, that does not mean that tying him up later and keeping him there wasn't still kidnapping.
 
X Factor said:
More than you'll ever know. Juries expect victims to be "innocent". Not saying it should matter but it does. Whether he went voluntarily initially I don't know but even if he did, that does not mean that tying him up later and keeping him there wasn't still kidnapping.
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Unlawful imprisonment most likely. Kidnapping is the charge of course, but it won't end that way. I'll bet on that.

If the perps are smart, listen to their lawyers, this case never sees a jury.
 
Back to the topic, which is Dylann Roof's sentence, I hope that he is spared the death penalty. One reason is that I think in his twisted way, he wants this.

Another is that he says he hasn't "shed a tear for the innocent people I killed," only one of self-pity, pity that he had to do what he did. I want him to live a very long and very healthy life that gives him the opportunity experience real reasons for self-pity and also to grow into remorse.

And he's also crazy.
 
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