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A Question for Christians...

Would you sacrifice for Christ's sake?


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If telling them about Santa is a little white lie, what's telling them about "god" ? ;)

One is 20th century marketing by Coca-Cola, the other is a 2,000 year old religion with millions of faithful world wide. I'm sure eventually they can tell the difference.
 
One is 20th century marketing by Coca-Cola, the other is a 2,000 year old religion with millions of faithful world wide. I'm sure eventually they can tell the difference.

Yeah, one tastes better in your mouth at Sunday mass.
 
I always get a giggle out of people who are completely aghast that some public schools allow Christmas trees, Santa, etc. As if Christmas trees and Santa have one iota to do with Jesus Christ.
 
It's not like atheists don't celebrate Christmas, too. I'm an atheist and I still celebrate Christmas.

Nor do I have a problem with saying Merry Christmas (or Happy Holidays for that matter).

Even countries with large atheist populations still celebrate Christmas.

It's mostly the corporate and institutional over-reaction to those few who bitch about theological Christmas. [as opposed to materialistic Christmas]
 
Oh come on dude. :roll:

There were people who once thought the comet Hale-Bopp was going to end life on Earth. Did that mean that the majority of people felt that way?

Maybe 3% of entire US is "atheist" and surely most of them don't give a crap about trying to do anything to change X-mas.

Your fearmongering is a ginormous waste of time and energy.

Fear-mongering? Come on man, give me a break.
 
Just because there are stories out there about the "War on Christmas", does not mean it is actually happening: and it isn't.

And concerning the FFRF, there's a distinct difference between promoting the separation of church and state, and a totally non-existent "War on Christmas".

Oh please, they do far more than simply promote " the separation of church and state". Which by the way, is nowhere to be found in the Constitution or Declaration of Independence.
 
One is 20th century marketing by Coca-Cola, the other is a 2,000 year old religion with millions of faithful world wide. I'm sure eventually they can tell the difference.

So Santa Claus is Tiny Fruit Fly, and "god" is a Saturn 5 rocket?

Yep - some of them surely will be able to tell the difference.
In fact, haven't studies shown that more and more people are becoming less and less religious?
 
Call it what you will, but there are a significant number of atheists these days, who really do want to take the Christ out of Christmas, for everyone. It's difficult for you to fathom because you are a kindhearted person who wouldn't dream of such a thing. :)

Yes there are some that do, they aren't a majority by any means. There are assholes on all sides like the pastor mentioned in a thread yesterday that went to a mall and yelled at kids waiting in line to see Santa that Santa wasn't real. So please, don't go acting like some Christians aren't assholes as well. There are both asshole Christians and atheists.
 
If you were called on to boycott Christmas shopping in any and all forms and instead asked that you donate all the money you would normally spend/give to friends, children and family to your parish, Church or churches -- would you?

As with everything else no-one listens until you hit them in the pocketbook.

If governments -- small and large, if corporations, if all the PC police, rejectionists, grinches, scrooges and other people with entirely too much time on their hands want to take Christ out of Christmas (Christ's Mass, there literally is no other reason for the season) than we should take our dollars out of their cash registers and see exactly who has a "happy holiday"...


****The second choice is just "no" For some reason autofill added the additional comments.

I actually do very little Christmas spending. My family has all decided a few years ago that the best gift we can give each other is to not have to go Christmas shopping, so we don't do Christmas presents anyway so yes, I really could do what you're calling "a sacrifice for Christ" and it wouldn't be much of a change from what I always do. To me, though, giving money to a church is not the same as a sacrifice for Christ. To me, they are actually not one in the same.
 
So Santa Claus is Tiny Fruit Fly, and "god" is a Saturn 5 rocket?
Not sure what that means.

Yep - some of them surely will be able to tell the difference.
Most I would hope could tell the difference unless they are brainwashed morons.
In fact, haven't studies shown that more and more people are becoming less and less religious?
Religions have had ups and downs through it's long history.... your intimating that this time it's different than at any other time?
 
Fear-mongering? Come on man, give me a break.

Your baseless claims about a "war on christmas" are in fact fearmongering.

The only thing happening to Christmas is capitalism and corporate greed, and those entities sure as hell don't want to destroy Christmas.
 
.... your intimating that this time it's different than at any other time?

Yep.

Knowledge, information, scientific evidence, and the general open-mindedness of each new generation suggests the current trend will continue quite nicely.

Not to mention there being less and less threat of physical/emotional abuse/prison/death for simply questioning those things that in the past were "not to be questioned".
 
You don't really know your history very well do you?

Are we really doing the whole "Happy holidays is a way to kill Jesus" thing again this year?

We do understand that not everybody celebrates Christmas, right? And most people who do celebrate it (like myself) don't do so as a religious practice but see as a chance to bond and connect with family.

The Non-Existent War on Christmas begins once again.

Ok, I have to ask, what is it about a thread directed to Christians that attracts comments from non Christians? Do you just want everyone to know just how much you don't believe, lest you be mistaken for one of us rat bastards?
 
Your baseless claims about a "war on christmas" are in fact fearmongering.

The only thing happening to Christmas is capitalism and corporate greed, and those entities sure as hell don't want to destroy Christmas.

I am not even remotely suggesting that anyone should be afraid of these idiots. Therefore, no fear mongering. ;)
 
Oh please, they do far more than simply promote " the separation of church and state". Which by the way, is nowhere to be found in the Constitution or Declaration of Independence.

Freedom of religion buddy. That means "the church and state are to be kept seperate".
 
If telling them about Santa is a little white lie, what's telling them about "god" ? ;)

What is telling them that there's no God at all? After all, you don't know that for certain. It's literally just your own opinion being presented as fact.
 
Yep.

Knowledge, information, scientific evidence, and the general open-mindedness of each new generation suggests the current trend will continue quite nicely.

Not to mention there being less and less threat of physical/emotional abuse/prison/death for simply questioning those things that in the past were "not to be questioned".

And the next war is just around the corner, the next natural disaster, the next outbreak of whatever.... and what automatically goes up when those things inevitably occur? Church attendance. Rome tried to kill an idea a long time ago; I'm sure many of Rome's senate and citizens 2000 years ago thought the same as you do now, and we know how that worked out.
 
And the next war is just around the corner, the next natural disaster, the next outbreak of whatever.... and what automatically goes up when those things inevitably occur? Church attendance. Rome tried to kill an idea a long time ago; I'm sure many of Rome's senate and citizens 2000 years ago thought the same as you do now, and we know how that worked out.

There was no internet back then. Information gathering and education have changed rather drastically.

Much harder to control people now.

It's much much easier these days to find out how massively screwed up organized religion has become.
It's far easier to find out that others feel the same way.
It's far easier to research ideas and ideologies that differ from your own core family beliefs.

Look at how the population in general has evolved over the past few decades regarding homosexuality, marijuana use, inter-racial marriage,...

Organized religion is going to follow that trend as well. Especially as the older generations die out, and the newer generations advance.
 
Freedom of religion buddy. That means "the church and state are to be kept seperate".

Oh my. Freedom of religion ≠"the church and state are to be kept seperate" (you misspelled separate by the way).

National Constitution Center said:
America’s early settlers came from a variety of religious backgrounds: Puritans predominated in New England; Anglicans predominated in the South; Quakers and Lutherans flocked especially to Pennsylvania; Roman Catholics settled mostly in Maryland; Presbyterians were most numerous in the middle colonies; and there were Jewish congregations in five cities.

During colonial times, the Church of England was established by law in all of the southern colonies, while localized Puritan (or “Congregationalist”) establishments held sway in most New England states. In those colonies, clergy were appointed and disciplined by colonial authorities and colonists were required to pay religious taxes and (often) to attend church services. Dissenters were often punished for preaching without a license or refusing to pay taxes to a church they disagreed with. Delaware, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and much of New York had no established church.

After Independence, there was widespread agreement that there should be no nationally established church. The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, principally authored by James Madison, reflects this consensus. The language of the Establishment Clause itself applies only to the federal government (“Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion”). All states disestablished religion by 1833, and in the 1940s the Supreme Court held that disestablishment applies to state governments through the Fourteenth Amendment.

National Constitution Center
 
There was no internet back then. Information gathering and education have changed rather drastically.

Much harder to control people now.

It's much much easier these days to find out how massively screwed up organized religion has become.
It's far easier to find out that others feel the same way.
It's far easier to research ideas and ideologies that differ from your own core family beliefs.

Look at how the population in general has evolved over the past few decades regarding homosexuality, marijuana use, inter-racial marriage,...

Organized religion is going to follow that trend as well. Especially as the older generations die out, and the newer generations advance.

If you say so. 2000+ years say you're wrong though, and religions have gone through much tougher things than "the internet".
 
If you were called on to boycott Christmas shopping in any and all forms and instead asked that you donate all the money you would normally spend/give to friends, children and family to your parish, Church or churches -- would you?

As with everything else no-one listens until you hit them in the pocketbook.

If governments -- small and large, if corporations, if all the PC police, rejectionists, grinches, scrooges and other people with entirely too much time on their hands want to take Christ out of Christmas (Christ's Mass, there literally is no other reason for the season) than we should take our dollars out of their cash registers and see exactly who has a "happy holiday"...


****The second choice is just "no" For some reason autofill added the additional comments.

Know what they say about too soon old too late smart? That's me. If I look back at my life, I have bought more crap for people they probably didn't need or want in the name of, "I love you," than I care to add up.

If I could have a do-over, i would have always done what I do now...a $20 "I love you" present and donations to charities. I've never had children. I don't think there's a better lesson parents can teach their kids that sharing one's bounty with others is healthy food for the soul...and what better time than Christmas? (Thanksgiving, too!)

Merry Christmas, DPers! Love you guys! Even the libruls. ;)
 
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