• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Who is the biggest threat to the US: ISIS or Russia?

Of the two, who is the biggest threat to the US: ISIS or Russia?

  • Total voters
    51
  • Poll closed .
Grand Mal said:
Why does the right want to like Russia so much? Putin envy.
Click to expand...

The right doesn't talk about Russia. The left does. Don't recall anyone on the left whining when Obama and Hillary were trying to snuggle up to Putin with their 'reset' button nonsense. Keep in mind, the Putin problem is something trump is inheriting from the failed Obama administration. He has to clean up the mess they made and hate filled liberals are just hating.
 
radcen said:
My thoughts aren't identical, but similar. ISIS has the potential and desire to cause us physical harm now, and that's not good, but I think they're are limited and will eventually wane.

Russia, on the other hand, while not likely to attack us outright, is far more capable of causing negative impact... and negative impact doesn't have to be direct or physical... and will continue to do so for a long time.
Click to expand...

I agree and I still think there is a lot of want or desire to wrong us or undermine us left over from our post. I think that will remain for my lifetime, easy.
 
LaylaWindu said:
My post or thoughts on the matter have nothing to do with trump or any alleged things about russia and the elections. All that stuff is meaningless to me. If I'm sitting in a room with Mike Tyson and Peewee Herman it doesn't matter to me if Mike is my best friend and Peewee hates me. That threat may not be current, or likely etc but I still access Mike as the bigger threat. ;)
Click to expand...

well, I would say Pee Wee Herman is the bigger threat. Skeevy little perv, slip you a mickey and have his way with ya.
 
Glow bull warming - or so we are told. ;)

Threat to do what?
 
ThoughtEx. said:
well, I would say Pee Wee Herman is the bigger threat. Skeevy little perv, slip you a mickey and have his way with ya.
Click to expand...

Haha, nah the damage of his probably, unable to work little sphincter, rubbing against me vs being killed by an uppercut capable of knocking some of my teeth out, giving my brain damage and making me a quadriplegic IF it doesn't kill me is no contest.
 
Tigerace117 said:
ISIS is a weak terrorist group which is being attritiated into dust in Syria. Russia can kill millions of Americans fairly easily. How is this even a question?
Click to expand...

Russia is capable of responsible relations with the US. The UK or France could also kill millions of Americans easily, but they won't. If you need to go fight Russia, then pick up a rifle and head over there - no point trying to drag millions of Americans with you, just for your personal feud with them.
 
MaggieD said:
What if I substitute the U.K. For Russia? See why it's a question now?
Click to expand...

The United Kingdom has nuclear missiles pointed at us? The U.K. spent the better part of a century trying to get us to be one a communist society? The U.K. murders dissidents?

Your example is rather lacking.
 
radcen said:
Of the two, who is the biggest threat to the US: ISIS or Russia?

Currently.
Click to expand...

Today, ISIS, AQ, other terrorist organizations and lone wolf terrorist are our biggest threat. Mainly because they are willing to do damage within U.S. borders and kill, maim our citizens. That is something Russia wouldn't even contemplate.

In the future it could be Russia or it could be China. But I do wonder if relations between the United States and Russia would be much, much better and perhaps close allies if the U.S. had kept its word, the agreement between G.W.H. Bush, Bush the elder and Gorbachev that if the Russia let a divided Germany united in peace that the U.S. wouldn't expand NATO any further east than a united Germany itself.

Of course we will never know because it never happened.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Yes, we are letting Syria and Russia deal with OUR real, and actually materialized, threat, ISIS, and so Russia somehow becomes the enemy that we should fear?
Click to expand...

Haven't you heard? The USAF is conducting air strikes in Syria too. Meanwhile, the Russians are pretty much indiscrimately hitting every scratch of terrain not Assad held.
 
sanman said:
Russia is capable of responsible relations with the US. The UK or France could also kill millions of Americans easily, but they won't. If you need to go fight Russia, then pick up a rifle and head over there - no point trying to drag millions of Americans with you, just for your personal feud with them.
Click to expand...

Are they? Putin's rhetoric emphasizes hostility with the West. The U.K. and France didn't spend the better part of a century's threatening to nuke the United States.
 
Fletch said:
The right doesn't talk about Russia. The left does. Don't recall anyone on the left whining when Obama and Hillary were trying to snuggle up to Putin with their 'reset' button nonsense. Keep in mind, the Putin problem is something trump is inheriting from the failed Obama administration. He has to clean up the mess they made and hate filled liberals are just hating.
Click to expand...

Except Putin isn't a problem to the Trump administration. Trump has expressed admiration for Putin and the new Secretary of State has accepted an award from him.
And I'dbe interested in hearing just how you think Obama made a mess re.Putin. Are you pretending that a Republican president could 'handle' Putin? Would President Romney have prevented the Crimean fiasco?
 
Grand Mal said:
Except Putin isn't a problem to the Trump administration. Trump has expressed admiration for Putin and the new Secretary of State has accepted an award from him.
And I'dbe interested in hearing just how you think Obama made a mess re.Putin. Are you pretending that a Republican president could 'handle' Putin? Would President Romney have prevented the Crimean fiasco?
Click to expand...
Putin is Eddie Haskel. Trump is The Beaver. Putin is not our friend, regardless who and how he tries to schmooze.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The United Kingdom has nuclear missiles pointed at us? The U.K. spent the better part of a century trying to get us to be one a communist society? The U.K. murders dissidents?

Your example is rather lacking.
Click to expand...

The point is that having nukes does not automatically make a country a leading mortal threat to the US. You're using a circular argument - claiming that Russia's response to being treated like an enemy justifies treating it like an enemy.


Tigerace117 said:
Haven't you heard? The USAF is conducting air strikes in Syria too. Meanwhile, the Russians are pretty much indiscrimately hitting every scratch of terrain not Assad held.
Click to expand...

Assad family have been in power for 70 years - they're part of the stable underpinning of the region, and yet you've spontaneously decided to pull the rug out from under this, just like you decided to pull out the rug from under Libya - and then you want everybody else to put up with the extremist fanatics that immediately start crawling out of the woodwork. You want Yazidis to be turned into sex slaves, you want people to be mowed down in Paris -- all so that you can do some regime-change in Syria?

Tigerace117 said:
Are they? Putin's rhetoric emphasizes hostility with the West. The U.K. and France didn't spend the better part of a century's threatening to nuke the United States.
Click to expand...

No, Putin doesn't emphasize hostility with the West - he obviously stands up for his country's security, and feels upset that regime-change is being sponsored on his doorstep (Ukraine). Americans would object in the same way, if large foreign powers began staging coups in Mexico or Canada, putting in new govts that are hostile.

Obama doesn't seem to care about who does what kind of regime-change under his nose, as long as he gets help in implementing his ObamaCare and his African Union plans.
 
celticwar17 said:
I don't get why the left wants to hate Russia so badly... They really aren't that bad anymore. Chill out.

main concern the USA should have right now is China.... then ISIS
Click to expand...

No, the main concern the USA should have right now is its own government.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
The deadliest terror attack in human history occurred on U.S. soil, claiming thousands of lives and injuring thousands more. There have been other terror attacks on American soil since then. On the contrary, we have never been at open war with Russia, and Russia has never attacked us.

Not even close.
Click to expand...

Over 33,000 Americans lost their lives in a proxy war with Russia in Korea and over 58,000 Americans lost their lives in a proxy war with Russia in Vietnam.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Your contempt and inability to tell the difference between a proxy conflict and an actual open hot war conflict are dully noted.
Click to expand...

Many of us either had relatives who fought in Vietnam or served in Vietnam themselves.

I suppose their sacrifice means nothing to you. Because, hey, it was just a proxy war.
 
Russia has the ability to compromise. ISIS does not.
 
sanman said:
The point is that having nukes does not automatically make a country a leading mortal threat to the US. You're using a circular argument - claiming that Russia's response to being treated like an enemy justifies treating it like an enemy.




Assad family have been in power for 70 years - they're part of the stable underpinning of the region, and yet you've spontaneously decided to pull the rug out from under this, just like you decided to pull out the rug from under Libya - and then you want everybody else to put up with the extremist fanatics that immediately start crawling out of the woodwork. You want Yazidis to be turned into sex slaves, you want people to be mowed down in Paris -- all so that you can do some regime-change in Syria?



No, Putin doesn't emphasize hostility with the West - he obviously stands up for his country's security, and feels upset that regime-change is being sponsored on his doorstep (Ukraine). Americans would object in the same way, if large foreign powers began staging coups in Mexico or Canada, putting in new govts that are hostile.

Obama doesn't seem to care about who does what kind of regime-change under his nose, as long as he gets help in implementing his ObamaCare and his African Union plans.
Click to expand...

The point is that a country which does not like the US, which historically hasn't liked the US, is able to meddle in our affairs and has nukes is always going to be a bigger threat than some threat rate jihadi group.

Russia has shown no interest in being friends with the US. It has shown interest in land grabs, however.

The Communists were in power in Russia for about that long. They contributed to the stability of that part of the world. By your logic, Russia should still be communist because change is messy and scary.

The only reason the Assad's have stayed in power for this long is their willingness to butcher their own people, not any kind of mandate. Sorry, but just because you like a dictator doesn't mean his people do.

Putin clearly portrays the US and NATO as the enemy in his propaganda. He's upset because his puppet was overthrown? Too bad.

Your fantasies about an African Union noted and dismissed.
 
radcen said:
Of the two, who is the biggest threat to the US: ISIS or Russia?

Currently.
Click to expand...

Good question, I would need to think about this. I would have to boil this down to "which is the greater threat to America, the Muslim Problem or the China/Russia/Iran cooperative?" At first blush I would think I would rather deal with Team China, because while that will suck going forwards because we lose to them so we will let them have most of what we want at least they follow a rationality of a sort, which we can understand if we want to do so. The Muslim extremists on the other hand who respond to the failure of Islam with a desire to burn the world down with max sadism as they do it are not.

The radical muslim extremists are suffering from mental illness.

We should help them.
 
Last edited:
SouthernDemocrat said:
Over 33,000 Americans lost their lives in a proxy war with Russia in Korea and over 58,000 Americans lost their lives in a proxy war with Russia in Vietnam.
Click to expand...

Hahaha! That was the Soviet Union, not the Russian Federation. :roll:

Phys251 said:
Many of us either had relatives who fought in Vietnam or served in Vietnam themselves.

I suppose their sacrifice means nothing to you. Because, hey, it was just a proxy war.
Click to expand...

We're not talking about anyone's relatives here, please stop.
 
Last edited:
Tigerace117 said:
Haven't you heard? The USAF is conducting air strikes in Syria too. Meanwhile, the Russians are pretty much indiscrimately hitting every scratch of terrain not Assad held.
Click to expand...
Who ever said we weren't?

So what would you have, us, the US, do about Russia there? Start WW4? That would make us the biggest threat to Russia, not them to us regarding the OP question. We have no real dog in the Syria fight besides beating ISIS, right? They, ISIS, have proven they are the imminent threat. If Russia starts attacking us or declaring war on us, that would be a different story.

So, just why is it should we worry about folks that are helping us achieve our agenda?
 
According to the president of this great country...neither.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom