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Should we have a central DNA database?

Should we have a central DNA databse?

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JoeyJoystick said:
I hear you there. But! Although it is a little cliché, it still stands as a strong argument; If you don't do anything wrong, you will have little to fear/worry.


Joey
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Not only is it cliched - it's wrong. The more information someone with power has on you the more miserable they can make your life they so choose. I'd rather not count on the people who have my DNA information being nice guys.
 
jamesrage said:
Not only no but hell no.As citizens its not our job to make the job of authorities much easier.Police need a warrant if they want our DNA. If police want my DNA then they need a warrant Or rummage through my trash.
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When you are born you are given a name and you are required by law to submit this name to the authorities. They do not need a warrant and everybody does it. (Maybe very few exceptions, but I have not heard of it.) Right now it is fairly easy to adopt someone else's identity. DNA would merely help you keep your identity for yourself.


Joey
 
Sweden said:
DNA can also eliminate suspects. Just as important to stop innocent people being accused and to stop police going down blind alleys.

I would be very willing to have my DNA placed on record. If/when I get old and confused (right now I'm merely old) and wander off DNA would identify me.
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The quickest way to end freedom is to openly submit yourself to search... You may think you have "nothing to hide"... but freedom involves you having the right to hide....
 
JoeyJoystick said:
DNA tests can fail. I will agree with that. Back to the failing of DNA tests. Yes they can fail. There is a variety of reasons for that. One is of course that 'old' DNA may be damaged. Quick tests may also not be conclusive. However, when you collect the DNA for a database then this is fresh DNA and the argument does not stand strong anymore. Same when you ultimately try to identify a person 'live'. ('live' as in not collected from the table after 3 months, but taken from a person who stays in front of you.) Not using a technology when it is available is backwards and naïve. It won't solve a case by itself, but at least it has the potential to help. That by itself is reason enough to justify it.

I share your concerns in the sense that it should not replace other methods in an investigation but not using it would be a dumb thing to do.

But I have a question for you. One of the most common reaction I see in this poll is the lack of trust in the government. You also bring this up. And I agree that this is a major concern. If this was not the case and you could trust the government. Would you agree or still disagree?


Joey
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Yes, it does. And the more samples are in the database, the more likely the test is to be wrong, because there will be more identical samples. You're not paying attention, dude. You don't get how DNA tests work. They don't compare literally every tiny detail of your entire genome. That would take months, and cost thousands of dollars. They compare specific markers, and there are different people who have identical markers, which means if two of those people both have their DNA in the database, the test will ALWAYS be wrong even if it's done correctly and it's a fresh sample. Pay attention.

Technically, throwing every single person in jail has the potential to help reduce crime by reducing the potential for anyone to commit one. Is that "reason enough" to justify slavery to you? What a horribly fascist belief.

I'd still disagree even if the government were trustworthy, for two reasons.

1. No one ever has a right to infringe upon our person without our consent, and certainly not the government, whose job is supposedly to protect us from infringement, not to commit it. This is like saying we should do mandatory searches of everyone's house every month. Even if the government never locked up anyone on questionable grounds, you still have a right to be unmolested in your own damn house. You have a right to peace and control of your own life, provided there is not strong evidence you have infringed on those rights of another person.

2. Having a DNA database of 300 million people makes it LESS ACCURATE. The most accurate way to use DNA tests would actually be to dispose of them every time we were done with a sample so that there was never any database at all. That would give the lowest rate of false results, and thus the lowest rate of sending the wrong person to jail.
 
Sweden said:
DNA can also eliminate suspects. Just as important to stop innocent people being accused and to stop police going down blind alleys.

I would be very willing to have my DNA placed on record. If/when I get old and confused (right now I'm merely old) and wander off DNA would identify me.
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Im young and confused

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If people want to voluntarily submit their DNA into a database i have no issue with that. I am opposed to forcing any citizens from being required to.

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JoeyJoystick said:
Sad but true. Also a different subject though. But while we're at it, don't you think that a DNA Database will at least help to reduce the number of innocent people in prison and not make it worse?


Joey
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No it would not. If DNA evidence is collected at a crime scene the person accussed has the right to voluntarily submit to a test to clear their name. The database has no affect on that either way. The person should also be able to request that the reord of their dna be deystroyed after the trial is over.

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JoeyJoystick said:
When you are born you are given a name and you are required by law to submit this name to the authorities. They do not need a warrant and everybody does it. (Maybe very few exceptions, but I have not heard of it.)


Joey
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Nice try but a name is not a search.
Right now it is fairly easy to adopt someone else's identity. DNA would merely help you keep your identity for yourself.
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I am not rich and have debts.Only a ****en idiot would take my identity. If I was worried about someone stealing my identity I would probably get lifelock or some or some other similar service.
 
trouble13 said:
If people want to voluntarily submit their DNA into a database i have no issue with that. I am opposed to forcing any citizens from being required to.

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The only thing about that is it doesn't stay voluntary.The government shouldn't have a DNA database like that on law abiding citizens period.
 
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