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Do you hold people's political views against them?

Do you hold people's political views against them?

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I really don't hold people's views against them at all. I'm a liberal guy that was in the military, and now I live in a red state. I wouldn't have survived if I freaked out about contrary opinions.
 
I always want to try everything....sure I sorta kinda have my bar, which I adore, but most of the time I end up someplace else for some reason or another. When it comes to people I have always gone here there and everywhere, over time I have learned to be pretty good with most people, I have learned to enjoy myself with them. Some are easier to enjoy than others of course....some are more fun than others....I learn more from some than others (and make no mistake, I am always trying to learn) ....but even that does not seem to matter much because I am a stubborn old coot who tends to decide on any given day that I need to work on my weaknesses...that I need to figure out the trick to enjoying this or that person when I have been having trouble with just that.

That is breaking down a little now that I am in my 50's, I am getting less willing to put up with pricks in good cheer. I am for sure more mouthy than I have ever been in my life, which some folks dont take too well to, which is just fine with me.

I respect smarts and hard work and loyalty and decency and above all honesty....., agreeing with my poltical views has never been something that was very important to me. In fact over agreeing with me is a pretty good way to bore me to tears and to get me to leave.
 
I try not to, but I fail pretty often.

You have to allow for someones upbringing and the total sum of their personal experience and impressions influencing their world view.
That is no excuse for intellectual laziness and mindless groupthink though. Reasonable discourse, wilingness to change your view based on evidence, and having the honesty and personal integrity to admit to mistakes, are prerequisites for broadening your horizon.
People unwilling to do so are "sheeple". Not worthy of your time, effort, or respect. Again, everyone is bound to fail now and then, but over time a pattern usually emerges.

In short. Don't judge based on the similarity of the view of others to your own. How they arrived at them is far more interesting.
 
X Factor said:
I guess in the sense that you have a more negative view of someone as a person because they profess to believe as they do.
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Probably if their views take on an extreme position.
 
I have Conservative friends that could make Paleocon blush.

We talk politics sometimes. Sometimes it's religion.

A person only does that with really good friends.
 
My family runs the gamut of the political spectrum. Because my family is extremely important to me, I've learned to listen to many different points of view, and because I know the person involved, I can understand where that point of view came from. IMO, understanding where the POV comes from is important in accepting that their view is just as valid to them, as your POV is to you. You may not agree with it, but you understand it.

That being said, the most extreme liberal/progressive of the bunch, goes into screaming tirades, spews hate, and has disowned me as a sibling because I won't agree with him. *sigh*

So, if someone doesn't care to see/hear another point of view, and spews hate, I will hold their political views against them.
 
Since the opposition seeks to damage the world my grandkids and their kids will inherit you're damned right I hold it against them. Republicans now own the consequences of climate change and the increases in pollution coming our way. When Trump and the Republicans talk about reducing "regulations", they are talking about compromising the environment in favor of the business climate.
 
Russell797 said:
Since the opposition seeks to damage the world my grandkids and their kids will inherit you're damned right I hold it against them. Republicans now own the consequences of climate change and the increases in pollution coming our way.
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So you don't hold the China, India, and other countries accountable, just Republicans?

Makes total sense...................
 
I generally hold their attitude about their political views against them.
 
Russell797 said:
Since the opposition seeks to damage the world my grandkids and their kids will inherit you're damned right I hold it against them. Republicans now own the consequences of climate change and the increases in pollution coming our way. When Trump and the Republicans talk about reducing "regulations", they are talking about compromising the environment in favor of the business climate.
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So is that a 5" paintbrush your using?

You are obviously seeing only the extreme possible effects, and nothing exists in the in between? Only constant movement to the strangulation of industry growth (read: job loss) to the absolute salvation of the environment will satisfy you?
 
GottaGo said:
So is that a 5" paintbrush your using?

You are obviously seeing only the extreme possible effects, and nothing exists in the in between? Only constant movement to the strangulation of industry growth (read: job loss) to the absolute salvation of the environment will satisfy you?
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We can and must do both. They are not mutually exclusive goals. The world natural environment is being systematically destroyed, while economic growth can not continue on indefinitely...we must learn to live sustainably with nature or both nature and we will fail.
 
ocean515 said:
So you don't hold the China, India, and other countries accountable, just Republicans?

Makes total sense...................
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Those countries are not about to renege on the Paris agreement. We are. The Republicans are who will be dismantling U.S. efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. As the second leading polluter, the U.S. is very important to the global effort to reduce emissions. The Republicans are in control, they own it. The ball is in their court.
 
Russell797 said:
We can and must do both. They are not mutually exclusive goals. The world natural environment is being systematically destroyed, while economic growth can not continue on indefinitely...we must learn to live sustainably with nature or both nature and we will fail.
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Your post put all the blame, and all the responsibility, on one group. Regardless of political affiliation, it is an individual responsibility to find a balance, is that not so?
 
GottaGo said:
So is that a 5" paintbrush your using?

You are obviously seeing only the extreme possible effects, and nothing exists in the in between? Only constant movement to the strangulation of industry growth (read: job loss) to the absolute salvation of the environment will satisfy you?
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The strangulation of industry? There are over 7,000,000,000 people in the world and industry has grown to support a growing number of them. Great, but growth always comes at the expense to something else. There is no free lunch. The damage we have done to the natural environment is staggering and continues to worsen with every passing day. We have already grown a thousand times over....when does it end.....Hint: on our current trajectory it doesn't until the system collapses.
 
Russell797 said:
The strangulation of industry? There are over 7,000,000,000 people in the world and industry has grown to support a growing number of them. Great, but growth always comes at the expense to something else. There is no free lunch. The damage we have done to the natural environment is staggering and continues to worsen with every passing day. We have already grown a thousand times over....when does it end.....Hint: on our current trajectory it doesn't until the system collapses.
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Considering the unemployment in this country alone (at least based upon the statements of many that suitable employment doesn't exist), apparently industry has not grown to meet the demand. Current regulations (mostly EPA) in this country has requirements that strangle businesses. A loosening of some of the more excessive regulations would permit growth = job creation.

Ah, but we are derailing this thread.
 
GottaGo said:
Your post put all the blame, and all the responsibility, on one group. Regardless of political affiliation, it is an individual responsibility to find a balance, is that not so?
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No it's not true. This is a global problem, far beyond the ability of the individual to make a meaningful difference. We humans are so out of balance with nature, that nature can not recover. We are using the resources of 1 1/2 Earth every year. This just can not continue. I know I sound like a wacko to you, but that's because people believe we can do whatever we want without repercussions. Nature just doesn't work that way. The day of reckoning awaits us if we don't change our ways, but at 66 years of age I am losing hope that I will ever see the day when we a global culture will set the course for a sustainable future.
 
GottaGo said:
Considering the unemployment in this country alone (at least based upon the statements of many that suitable employment doesn't exist), apparently industry has not grown to meet the demand. Current regulations (mostly EPA) in this country has requirements that strangle businesses. A loosening of some of the more excessive regulations would permit growth = job creation.

Ah, but we are derailing this thread.
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Yes we are, but those are my thoughts regarding the poll question...carry on.
 
With the exception of the two people who said "Yes, Always," you're all a bunch of liars. People of all stripes judge others for having ideas not matching theirs. We all want to believe we are objective, reasonable creatures in all ways and at all times, but the truth of the matter is that we are all a bunch of judgey assholes pretty much all the time.

"Oh, you drive a Chevy? Well, Ford is better (idiot)."

"You feed your baby formula? Well, that's one way to do it (you bad parent, you)."

"You're from Michigan? Sorry, that sucks (said the Ohioan)."

"You're a Democrat? Jesus, is it tiring being wrong about everything, all the time?"

"You're a Republican? Do you enjoy wiping the Walton's asses with hundred dollar bills, you house slave?"
 
Rarely...but in those rare cases it is because the person is spewing/repeating hate talk or fear-mongering or some unproven perceived fact.
 
Russell797 said:
No it's not true. This is a global problem, far beyond the ability of the individual to make a meaningful difference. We humans are so out of balance with nature, that nature can not recover. We are using the resources of 1 1/2 Earth every year. This just can not continue. I know I sound like a wacko to you, but that's because people believe we can do whatever we want without repercussions. Nature just doesn't work that way. The day of reckoning awaits us if we don't change our ways, but at 66 years of age I am losing hope that I will ever see the day when we a global culture will set the course for a sustainable future.
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A sustainable future cannot be mandated, nor taxed into creation. Information, knowledge and example are the only things that can show people (regardless of political affiliation) how to create that sustainable future.
 
Russell797 said:
The strangulation of industry? There are over 7,000,000,000 people in the world and industry has grown to support a growing number of them. Great, but growth always comes at the expense to something else. There is no free lunch. The damage we have done to the natural environment is staggering and continues to worsen with every passing day. We have already grown a thousand times over....when does it end.....Hint: on our current trajectory it doesn't until the system collapses.
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Greetings, Russell797. :2wave:

If you were chosen to be on a committee that was tasked with finding a solution to the problem mentioned in your post, what would be your recommendation? I'm not being snarky here, I'm honestly interested in what you would consider equitable treatment for all the humans on this planet. As an example, people in many parts of the world have no choice but to build fires outdoors to cook their food - and there are millions of them - and since we know that smoke is a pollutant, what do we tell them?

As you know, we are currently engaged in an argument about why we need to stop outsourcing our jobs to other countries. This is not because of environmental concerns, but economic ones. We are probably one of the most highly regulated countries in the world on clean air laws, however we also know that the air we breathe, carried by winds that constantly circle the planet, can be polluted by other countries over which we have no control. What would be your solution?
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
With the exception of the two people who said "Yes, Always," you're all a bunch of liars. People of all stripes judge others for having ideas not matching theirs. We all want to believe we are objective, reasonable creatures in all ways and at all times, but the truth of the matter is that we are all a bunch of judgey assholes pretty much all the time.

"Oh, you drive a Chevy? Well, Ford is better (idiot)."

"You feed your baby formula? Well, that's one way to do it (you bad parent, you)."

"You're from Michigan? Sorry, that sucks (said the Ohioan)."

"You're a Democrat? Jesus, is it tiring being wrong about everything, all the time?"

"You're a Republican? Do you enjoy wiping the Walton's asses with hundred dollar bills, you house slave?"
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Um, no.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Russell797. :2wave:

If you were chosen to be on a committee that was tasked with finding a solution to the problem mentioned in your post, what would be your recommendation? I'm not being snarky here, I'm honestly interested in what you would consider equitable treatment for all the humans on this planet. As an example, people in many parts of the world have no choice but to build fires outdoors to cook their food - and there are millions of them - and since we know that smoke is a pollutant, what do we tell them?

As you know, we are currently engaged in an argument about why we need to stop outsourcing our jobs to other countries. This is not because of environmental concerns, but economic ones. We are probably one of the most highly regulated countries in the world on clean air laws, however we also know that the air we breathe, carried by winds that constantly circle the planet, can be polluted by other countries over which we have no control. What would be your solution?
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The answer to the second paragraph's question is to be found in the ratification of global, international treaties in which all the players participate. We are highly regulated because we pollute highly. China and India pollute tremendously as well. The European Union pollutes highly. Industrialization comes with the burden of pollution.

The common practice has been to dump that pollution into the rivers, oceans, land and atmosphere. Out of sight out of mind. It used to be thought that the oceans and atmosphere were so vast that any pollution would be diluted to near meaningless concentrations. We now know that such is not the case.

All countries must impose regulations so that the field is level. Easier said than done right? No kidding.

To your first point. As the world strives to bring 3rd world countries into the 21st century, they need to do so by utilizing modern technologies which the rich industrialized nations develop and export. If they advance along the same path as we did the problem of pollution and global warming will grow ever more complicated and expensive to remedy, if at all.

It's not the bush people who are creating the problem, their millions of small fires are diminutive compared to the massive and constantly growing demand for energy the developed nations are imposing. We simply must fast track a global effort to develop and deploy clean, renewable energy on a massive scale if we are to tackle the issue in a meaningful way.
 
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