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Will History Judge Trump to be a Good President? [W:101]

How will Trump do, overall, as President? How will history judge him?

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AGENT J said:
2.) nobody is short circuited by the idea adults just understand how much of a blind and completely irrational, illogical and unsubstantiated guess it would be at this moment in time and are pointing that out
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That's going overboard. Sure, there's much that we don't know and can't know, so of course we can't make predictions with anything like certainty, but we do know enough about Trump to venture educated guesses about how things will generally play out. He's not a total unknown. Many people voted for Trump based on a prediction that his presidency would have a good chance of "making America great again", right?

Phys251 said:
Based on some of the responses to this thread, it is clear that many Trump supporters want to hold him to a lower standard of accountability than they held Obama.
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Why do you say that?
 
Trippy Trekker said:
President-elect Chump embodies the Anti-Christ. Fear not. The human race has weathered the reign of other narcissists. We can weather his reign too! Soldier on!
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He's going to end Progressivism forever. :lol:
 
LessBiased? said:
1.) That's going overboard.
2.) Sure, there's much that we don't know and can't know, so of course we can't make predictions with anything like certainty, but we do know enough about Trump to venture educated guesses about how things will generally play out.
3.) He's not a total unknown.
4.) Many people voted for Trump based on a prediction that his presidency would have a good chance of "making America great again", right?
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1.) nothing overboard about it, its accurate, rational and reality based
2.) no, we do not, to think we to is delusional. So many things could happen in 4 or 8 years that could impact the question it's irrational to think that any conclusions are more than PURE guessing. There is no "educated guess" on how things will play out.
3.) actually yes he is, theres probably not a major issue that he hasnt flopped on or had different opinions on in his life or even currently has said contradicting things on. Sorry kid but he is very much an unknown.
4.) yes many vote on guessing, in fact we all do it. that doesnt stop it from being a guess. I know a lot of people that didn't vote for obama because they predicted he would take my guns away and significantly restrict gun rights. How'd that go? I still have them all and havent lost any gun rights. I know people that voted for obama based on them thinking he would fix the economy to the best levelsl its been basically in out life time. How'd that go? it's better than it was but not the best.

You will never be able to sell the idea that at this early in the game it is pure guessing because theres no sound, rational logic to do so.
 
Phys251 said:
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Oh noes....

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AGENT J said:
1.) nothing overboard about it, its accurate, rational and reality based
2.) no, we do not, to think we to is delusional. So many things could happen in 4 or 8 years that could impact the question it's irrational to think that any conclusions are more than PURE guessing. There is no "educated guess" on how things will play out.
3.) actually yes he is, theres probably not a major issue that he hasnt flopped on or had different opinions on in his life or even currently has said contradicting things on. Sorry kid but he is very much an unknown.
4.) yes many vote on guessing, in fact we all do it. that doesnt stop it from being a guess. I know a lot of people that didn't vote for obama because they predicted he would take my guns away and significantly restrict gun rights. How'd that go? I still have them all and havent lost any gun rights. I know people that voted for obama based on them thinking he would fix the economy to the best levelsl its been basically in out life time. How'd that go? it's better than it was but not the best.

You will never be able to sell the idea that at this early in the game it is pure guessing because theres no sound, rational logic to do so.
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Pure guessing, educated guessing, hypothesis, prediction ... I don't care what people call it, I'm not interested in splitting hairs about distinctions in definitions of words. Some will obviously say "I don't know" and leave it there. Fine. Others will say "I don't know, but I'm guessing/predicting X." I'm only interested in the X part - look at the poll. OF COURSE nobody "knows"! :roll:
 
LessBiased? said:
1.)Pure guessing, educated guessing, hypothesis, prediction ... I don't care what people call it, I'm not interested in splitting hairs about distinctions in definitions of words.
2.) Some will obviously say "I don't know" and leave it there. Fine.
3.) Others will say "I don't know, but I'm guessing/predicting X." I'm only interested in the X part - look at the poll. OF COURSE nobody "knows"! :roll:
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1.) thats not splitting hairs those things are not the same by any means and whether you are interested or not when you post on a public forum people are going to tell you just like the majority here did
2.) a couple did
3.) again what you are interested in doesn/t matter when its a bad poll, people will tell you what they want like they just did :shrug: LMAO
 
AGENT J said:
1.) thats not splitting hairs those things are not the same by any means and whether you are interested or not when you post on a public forum people are going to tell you just like the majority here did
2.) a couple did
3.) again what you are interested in doesn/t matter when its a bad poll, people will tell you what they want like they just did :shrug: LMAO
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Regardless of your opinions on this, some people did respond to the poll ...
 
LessBiased? said:
Regardless of your opinions on this, some people did respond to the poll ...
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Who said nobody responded to your poll or nobody would? I certainly didn't LOL I only pointed out adults just understand how much of a blind, completely irrational, illogical and unsubstantiated guess it is at this moment in time and the fact that most agree its way to early to even have a good guess. For some odd reason this seems to have bothered you. :shrug:
 
Those histories written by left-wing academics - are there any others? - will say that that the Trump Presidency was a disaster. The return of all that industry to the US was an environmental tragedy. As was the disintegration of the Democratic Party.

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AGENT J said:
Who said nobody responded to your poll or nobody would? I certainly didn't LOL I only pointed out adults just understand how much of a blind, completely irrational, illogical and unsubstantiated guess it is at this moment in time and the fact that most agree its way to early to even have a good guess. For some odd reason this seems to have bothered you. :shrug:
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I understand your point, but you seem unable or unwilling to understand mine (and yes, I'm an "adult", I did notice your condescension). But I see that you've been averaging over 6,000 posts a year, for years, so perhaps you just like going in circles and have time to waste. I don't. I've encountered your type in forums before. See ya ...
 
LessBiased? said:
This is my first post in this forum, so please forgive me if I'm going down a path which is already well trodden. I hope to learn a lot in this forum, and perhaps also contribute in a small way to the discussions.

I think of myself as an independent (neither party resonates with me enough that I want to be a member), I voted for Clinton, and was as surprised as anyone that Trump won the election. Clearly, my understanding of things was well off the mark! Seeing that we're in uncharted waters, I thought I better start paying attention and trying to learn who Trump is, so that I can better predict, at least in a broad sense, how the coming months and years might unfold under Trump's presidency. I'm finding that the more I study Trump, the more I like him and the more optimistic I am about our future with him. If I had to vote today, I think I'd vote for him. Reading 'The Art of the Deal' has shaped my understanding of Trump (he seems to be essentially the same person as he was three decades ago), and I recommend reading that book.

With all of that as preface, I've set up a poll to see what others think about how Trump will do as President.
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I'd like to give him the chance the GOP never gave Obama. The GOP opposed everything Obama tried to do. With one party rule in WA stuff is going to get done. As you do, I sincerely hope it's good stuff!
 
Cardinal said:
If he is anything like the person he presented to us as a Presidential candidate, he will be the worst president ever.
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^ This. I ain't no fortune teller, and he has no governmental record, so all I have to go on is what he's said, and what he's said is a mixture of BS platitudes and nothing good.
 
celticwar17 said:
I think he's shown nothing but positives so far. But... he hasn't even become president yet xD any hypotheticals right now will probably be extremely partisan based.
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Trump quotes:

"When you're as famous as me you don't have to wait, you can do anything you want, you can grab them by the <slang word for vagina>"

"Such a nasty woman" to the former Senator to New York and former Secretary of State!

"She had blood coming out of her whatever" - said regarding a Fox News Journalist

“An ‘extremely credible source’ has called my office and told me that Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a fraud”

LOL, - yeah. He's done nothing to show positives so far - if you can call being a total buffoon "positives".
 
LessBiased? said:
1.)I understand your point, but you seem unable or unwilling to understand mine (and yes, I'm an "adult", I did notice your condescension).
2.) But I see that you've been averaging over 6,000 posts a year, for years, so perhaps you just like going in circles and have time to waste.
3.) I don't. I've encountered your type in forums before. See ya ...
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1.) I fully understand it hence all my replies. What your issue is, it's that you want me to care or to change or my view based on your point of view. I won't be doing that because there's no logical reason to do it so Ill be sticking with logic and reality.
2.) sorry this deflection doesn't change anything. Right now it's a blind, completely irrational, illogical and unsubstantiated guess
3.) Good move because reality and facts won't change. Hopefully your next poll goes better and the majority dont otherwise like they have here. Good Luck!
 
lurchadams said:
Trump quotes:

"When you're as famous as me you don't have to wait, you can do anything you want, you can grab them by the <slang word for vagina>"

"Such a nasty woman" to the former Senator to New York and former Secretary of State!

"She had blood coming out of her whatever" - said regarding a Fox News Journalist

“An ‘extremely credible source’ has called my office and told me that Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a fraud”

LOL, - yeah. He's done nothing to show positives so far - if you can call being a total buffoon "positives".
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Since he won the election... is more what i meant
 
Oh look, DP has a push poll.
 
lurchadams said:
I'd like to give him the chance the GOP never gave Obama. The GOP opposed everything Obama tried to do. With one party rule in WA stuff is going to get done. As you do, I sincerely hope it's good stuff!
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Agreed.

lurchadams said:
Trump quotes:

"When you're as famous as me you don't have to wait, you can do anything you want, you can grab them by the <slang word for vagina>"

"Such a nasty woman" to the former Senator to New York and former Secretary of State!

"She had blood coming out of her whatever" - said regarding a Fox News Journalist

“An ‘extremely credible source’ has called my office and told me that Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a fraud”

LOL, - yeah. He's done nothing to show positives so far - if you can call being a total buffoon "positives".
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Those and other quotes really turned me off Trump. I voted for Clinton mainly as a vote against Trump. But he won the nomination and then the election (despite the polls predicting a fairly easy win for Clinton), after so many people (including me) repeatedly dismissed him as an obvious narcissistic pretender who has no chance of winning. Like others, I've been wondering why so many of us got it so wrong.

There are likely to be multiple factors, and I think one is simply that too many Clinton voters didn't bother to show up to vote because they thought she had it in the bag and/or they weren't sufficiently inspired by her to take the trouble. And after all, the election was pretty close, it's not as though Trump won easily, despite multiple swing states slightly tipping his way. Overall voter turnout was 58%, and a slight increase in turnout for Clinton would have tipped it back her way.

But I do think Trump is much smarter and more saavy than many people realize, including many in the media. He has tons of business experience and he didn't get to be a multibillionaire simply by luck. He loves to negotiate and make complex deals. He knows how the financial and legal systems work at a level far beyond the average citizen. He knows the power of building and maintaining the image of a winner who can get things done. He knows the influence of the media, and he plays them like a puppetmaster without them even realizing it. His blunt talk offends many, but many see the underlying truths in his comments and appreciate his not being constrained by political correctness, which gives the impression that he's authentic. He knows how to talk with ordinary people, understand them, and connect with them. His seeming lack of consistency makes him hard to read by his opponents and negotiating partners, which can work to his advantage by keeping them guessing and giving him flexibility.

Trump is a fairly unique guy, and while many people are busy dismissing him and struggling to wrap their heads around him because of their preconceptions of how a politician should act, he may continue to defy expectations and prove to be uniquely effective as president. I hope so.
 
LessBiased? said:
Agreed.



Those and other quotes really turned me off Trump. I voted for Clinton mainly as a vote against Trump. But he won the nomination and then the election (despite the polls predicting a fairly easy win for Clinton), after so many people (including me) repeatedly dismissed him as an obvious narcissistic pretender who has no chance of winning. Like others, I've been wondering why so many of us got it so wrong.

There are likely to be multiple factors, and I think one is simply that too many Clinton voters didn't bother to show up to vote because they thought she had it in the bag and/or they weren't sufficiently inspired by her to take the trouble. And after all, the election was pretty close, it's not as though Trump won easily, despite multiple swing states slightly tipping his way. Overall voter turnout was 58%, and a slight increase in turnout for Clinton would have tipped it back her way.

But I do think Trump is much smarter and more saavy than many people realize, including many in the media. He has tons of business experience and he didn't get to be a multibillionaire simply by luck. He loves to negotiate and make complex deals. He knows how the financial and legal systems work at a level far beyond the average citizen. He knows the power of building and maintaining the image of a winner who can get things done. He knows the influence of the media, and he plays them like a puppetmaster without them even realizing it. His blunt talk offends many, but many see the underlying truths in his comments and appreciate his not being constrained by political correctness, which gives the impression that he's authentic. He knows how to talk with ordinary people, understand them, and connect with them. His seeming lack of consistency makes him hard to read by his opponents and negotiating partners, which can work to his advantage by keeping them guessing and giving him flexibility.

Trump is a fairly unique guy, and while many people are busy dismissing him and struggling to wrap their heads around him because of their preconceptions of how a politician should act, he may continue to defy expectations and prove to be uniquely effective as president. I hope so.
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All excellent points. The bottom line, like you said, is that he keeps defying expectations. Many expect him to fail as president. Time to defy all those nay-sayers again, I guess!
 
antiquity said:
We are surviving Obama aren't we?
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Not the same thing.

We know what the outcomes of Obama's presidency has been thus far. Yes, we're all live and still standing. Our nation and world isn't crumbling around us. There's still time to go in which he can make executive decisions and we don't what they are - which could potentially be damaging in ways that we may not know for sometime to come. So in that sense I guess it's possible to ask the same question regarding the balance of Obama's time in office "since we can't tell the future". I took the class, "Correctly Predicting the Future 101" thousands of times...and failed most of the time.

Trump has been transparent enough throughout his campaign to raise some flags. Those flags could be bull****. Or things that he'll actually manifest the things he said into behaviors. And observing a lot of people who Trump has chosen to be his cabinet members (and other positions) I opinion that if he does manifest into our real lives all that he's claimed during the campaign, the very least we can expect is another Herbert Hoover situation. Again, it's my opinion, I'm simply "predicting" that the outcomes won't be good. I could be wrong. I hope that I am. It'll be a pleasant surprise.
 
Removable Mind said:
Not the same thing.

We know what the outcomes of Obama's presidency has been thus far. Yes, we're all live and still standing. Our nation and world isn't crumbling around us. There's still time to go in which he can make executive decisions and we don't what they are - which could potentially be damaging in ways that we may not know for sometime to come. So in that sense I guess it's possible to ask the same question regarding the balance of Obama's time in office "since we can't tell the future". I took the class, "Correctly Predicting the Future 101" thousands of times...and failed most of the time.

Trump has been transparent enough throughout his campaign to raise some flags. Those flags could be bull****. Or things that he'll actually manifest the things he said into behaviors. And observing a lot of people who Trump has chosen to be his cabinet members (and other positions) I opinion that if he does manifest into our real lives all that he's claimed during the campaign, the very least we can expect is another Herbert Hoover situation. Again, it's my opinion, I'm simply "predicting" that the outcomes won't be good. I could be wrong. I hope that I am. It'll be a pleasant surprise.
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Trump was definitely a "change" candidate, and change increases uncertainty. It offers increased upside potential, but I agree that it also carries increased downside risks.

I do think he'll aim to do "big" things, because that's who he is and mainly why he won the election. Otherwise, this is all a waste of his time. He's not the kind of guy who would be interested in a mere "governing" job.

But I think he's also a pragmatist, and not as much of a risk taker as many believe. He does seem to seek input from people who offer varying perspectives and, again, I'm glad that he's willing to change his mind about things as he learns.

He's a bit of a gamble, but I'm cautiously optimistic that he'll do well. By contrast, Clinton was a quintessential status quo candidate. I was ok with the status quo, but I'm also willing to try some real change.
 
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LessBiased? said:
Trump was definitely a "change" candidate, and change increases uncertainty. It offers increased upside potential, but also carries increased downside risks.

I do think he'll aim to do "big" things, because that's who he is and mainly why he won the election. Otherwise, this is all a waste of his time. He's not the kind of guy who be interested in a mere "governing" job.

But I think he's also a pragmatist, and not as much of a risk taker as many believe. He does seem to seek input from people who offer varying perspectives and, again, I'm glad that he's willing to change his mind about things as he learns.

He's a bit of a gamble, but I'm cautiously optimistic that he'll do well. By contrast, Clinton was a quintessential status quo candidate. I was ok with the status quo, but I'm also willing to try some real change.
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I'm betting that the wizard behind the curtain will appear to Trump and explain to him how our system of government works. He'll either listen to the wizard or pay the consequences.
 
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