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Will History Judge Trump to be a Good President? [W:101]

How will Trump do, overall, as President? How will history judge him?


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If you liked that book, you may want to listen to the real author of it.

Donald Trump’s Ghostwriter Tells All - The New Yorker

He also did countless interviews before the election and you can probably find them on places like CNN and MSNBC where I saw him at least a half dozen times.

The man has incredible le insight into his subject matter.

A lot of allegations there, and some may be true, but seems that Schwartz has an axe to grind and I'm not prepared to simply rely on what he claims. The book has countless statements which are factually true or false, and if Schwartz wrote the book and fabricated a large portion of those statements, IMO he has very little credibility.
 
"fleeing the country":lamo

I like your sense of humor. Welcome to the board.

I agree that people claiming they will flee the country are talking out of their arse. Where in the world could one flee that has our standard of living at our level of taxation?
 
Interesting that so many are reluctant to predict/speculate/guess whether Trump will be a good president. Wasn't that a consideration in who y'all voted for?

That wasn't your question.

You asked how history will judge him.

There are to many variables to speculate on that.
 
Interesting that so many are reluctant to predict/speculate/guess whether Trump will be a good president. Wasn't that a consideration in who y'all voted for?

I don't think it will be whether Trump will be a good president, more like being tired of the current inept government. Trump could be an average president and top Obama catering/pandering to the few while the rest of the population is left in the dust and basically ignored.
 
This is my first post in this forum, so please forgive me if I'm going down a path which is already well trodden. I hope to learn a lot in this forum, and perhaps also contribute in a small way to the discussions.

I think of myself as an independent (neither party resonates with me enough that I want to be a member), I voted for Clinton, and was as surprised as anyone that Trump won the election. Clearly, my understanding of things was well off the mark! Seeing that we're in uncharted waters, I thought I better start paying attention and trying to learn who Trump is, so that I can better predict, at least in a broad sense, how the coming months and years might unfold under Trump's presidency. I'm finding that the more I study Trump, the more I like him and the more optimistic I am about our future with him. If I had to vote today, I think I'd vote for him. Reading 'The Art of the Deal' has shaped my understanding of Trump (he seems to be essentially the same person as he was three decades ago), and I recommend reading that book.

With all of that as preface, I've set up a poll to see what others think about how Trump will do as President.

Welcome to DP.

I think the more relevant question is: Will the U.S. survive a Trump presidency without significant collateral or irreparable damage?
 
It's going to be short and sweet.

I voted excellent.
 
That wasn't your question.

You asked how history will judge him.

There are to many variables to speculate on that.

When I say 'how will history judge him?', I'm saying that we can judge better with the benefit of hindsight, so that's the benchmark. I'm asking for predictions on how he'll do, based on that (future) benchmark.
 
Could we get him sworn in first?

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This is my first post in this forum, so please forgive me if I'm going down a path which is already well trodden. I hope to learn a lot in this forum, and perhaps also contribute in a small way to the discussions.

I think of myself as an independent (neither party resonates with me enough that I want to be a member), I voted for Clinton, and was as surprised as anyone that Trump won the election. Clearly, my understanding of things was well off the mark! Seeing that we're in uncharted waters, I thought I better start paying attention and trying to learn who Trump is, so that I can better predict, at least in a broad sense, how the coming months and years might unfold under Trump's presidency. I'm finding that the more I study Trump, the more I like him and the more optimistic I am about our future with him. If I had to vote today, I think I'd vote for him. Reading 'The Art of the Deal' has shaped my understanding of Trump (he seems to be essentially the same person as he was three decades ago), and I recommend reading that book.

With all of that as preface, I've set up a poll to see what others think about how Trump will do as President.

Well, hell...I think he should get a Nobel Prize...for something. Until he does, maybe you should wait and see what he actually does during his Presidency. Maybe, since Obama's Presidency is almost over, you could redo your poll and make it about him?

btw, if you do, please add a "other" choice. We have a lot of members here who don't like to get tied down to pre-set positions.
 
maybe you should wait and see what he actually does during his Presidency.

The idea of a prediction is that it's made before an event happens ...

I assume that some people voted for Trump because they predicted that he'll be a good president, and others voted against him because they predicted that he won't be good. I wonder on what basis others voted. Likability? Their own special interests?
 
My crystal ball in non-op, it is in the shop actually, nobody can figure out why it stopped working...

BUT, Trump has the promise of being the next FDR.
 
This is my first post in this forum, so please forgive me if I'm going down a path which is already well trodden. I hope to learn a lot in this forum, and perhaps also contribute in a small way to the discussions.

I think of myself as an independent (neither party resonates with me enough that I want to be a member), I voted for Clinton, and was as surprised as anyone that Trump won the election. Clearly, my understanding of things was well off the mark! Seeing that we're in uncharted waters, I thought I better start paying attention and trying to learn who Trump is, so that I can better predict, at least in a broad sense, how the coming months and years might unfold under Trump's presidency. I'm finding that the more I study Trump, the more I like him and the more optimistic I am about our future with him. If I had to vote today, I think I'd vote for him. Reading 'The Art of the Deal' has shaped my understanding of Trump (he seems to be essentially the same person as he was three decades ago), and I recommend reading that book.

With all of that as preface, I've set up a poll to see what others think about how Trump will do as President.

Well your first post is a fail IMO. Trump hasn't served one day in office yet . . . so who knows
IMO NOBODY knows what Trump will do, not even himself lol. If he has proven anything it's that he may do just about anything no matter what he says and already has done. That was always my biggest concern with Trump, nobody knows what he will really do.

I didn't vote in your poll because there's no suitable options. The vast majority of polls should always have an other. In this case your poll needs a "Who knows, its completely way to early to tell"
 
A lot of allegations there, and some may be true, but seems that Schwartz has an axe to grind and I'm not prepared to simply rely on what he claims. The book has countless statements which are factually true or false, and if Schwartz wrote the book and fabricated a large portion of those statements, IMO he has very little credibility.

If the cp- author has very little credibility - why then would Trump have even a shred of it?
 
How the hell does anyone know, he hasn't even been inaugurated yet!
 
IMO NOBODY knows what Trump will do, not even himself lol. If he has proven anything it's that he may do just about anything no matter what he says and already has done. That was always my biggest concern with Trump, nobody knows what he will really do.

The specifics of what he'll do may be unknown to everyone including him, but IMO his general priorities are well known enough:

- Keep jobs from going to other countries and bring some jobs back

- Improve border security, get criminal illegal immigrants out, and reduce overall risk associated with terrorism

- Reduce federal taxes for most people (but close some loopholes)

- Invest heavily in infrastructure

- Reduce regulation

- Try additional measures to increase economic growth

- Reduce the influence of lobbyists and other insiders (drain the swamp)

I like the fact that he's not prematurely committing himself to specifics, and is willing to change his mind as he looks into things and learns. The fact that he's a pragmatic businessman rather than a career politician has its advantages, IMO.

“My aim is not to be consistent with my previous statements on a given question, but to be consistent with truth as it may present itself to me at a given moment. The result has been that I have grown from truth to truth.”
― Mahatma Gandhi

“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. — 'Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' — Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.”
― Ralph Waldo Emerson
 
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The specifics of what he'll do may be unknown to everyone including him, but IMO his general priorities are well known enough:

- Keep jobs from going to other countries and bring some jobs back

- Improve border security, get criminal illegal immigrants out, and reduce overall risk associated with terrorism

- Reduce federal taxes for most people (but close some loopholes)

- Invest heavily in infrastructure

- Reduce regulation

- Try additional measures to increase economic growth

- Reduce the influence of lobbyists and other insiders (drain the swamp)

I like the fact that he's not prematurely committing himself to specifics, and is willing to change his mind as he looks into things and learns. The fact that he's a pragmatic businessman rather than a career politician has its advantages, IMO.

“My aim is not to be consistent with my previous statements on a given question, but to be consistent with truth as it may present itself to me at a given moment. The result has been that I have grown from truth to truth.”
― Mahatma Gandhi

“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. — 'Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' — Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.”
― Ralph Waldo Emerson

All completely meaningless to your question really until he does or doesnt do those things, he is actually in office and his presidency is over.
 
All completely meaningless to your question really until he does or doesnt do those things, he is actually in office and his presidency is over.

Predicting how good a president he'll be would obviously account for what people predict he will actually do ...

Not sure why some people's brains are so short-circuited by the idea of predicting things in the context of uncertainty. We ALL do it, every day.

I don't know with confidence how Trump will do as President, but I can still make a prediction, even if it's just a best guess (which is all my prediction is).
 
1.)Predicting how good a president he'll be would obviously account for what people predict he will actually do ...
2.) Not sure why some people's brains are so short-circuited by the idea of predicting things in the context of uncertainty. We ALL do it, every day.
3.) I don't know with confidence how Trump will do as President, but I can still make a prediction, even if it's just a best guess (which is all my prediction is).

1.) yes and that is somethign nobody knows
2.) nobody is short circuited by the idea adults just understand how much of a blind and completely irrational, illogical and unsubstantiated guess it would be at this moment in time and are pointing that out
3.) yep a completely guess, thats all it will be :shrug:
 
Based on some of the responses to this thread, it is clear that many Trump supporters want to hold him to a lower standard of accountability than they held Obama.
 
This is my first post in this forum, so please forgive me if I'm going down a path which is already well trodden. I hope to learn a lot in this forum, and perhaps also contribute in a small way to the discussions.

I think of myself as an independent (neither party resonates with me enough that I want to be a member), I voted for Clinton, and was as surprised as anyone that Trump won the election. Clearly, my understanding of things was well off the mark! Seeing that we're in uncharted waters, I thought I better start paying attention and trying to learn who Trump is, so that I can better predict, at least in a broad sense, how the coming months and years might unfold under Trump's presidency. I'm finding that the more I study Trump, the more I like him and the more optimistic I am about our future with him. If I had to vote today, I think I'd vote for him. Reading 'The Art of the Deal' has shaped my understanding of Trump (he seems to be essentially the same person as he was three decades ago), and I recommend reading that book.

With all of that as preface, I've set up a poll to see what others think about how Trump will do as President.

We have no idea what history will say at this point, other then 'it was weird'.
 
The idea of a prediction is that it's made before an event happens ...

I assume that some people voted for Trump because they predicted that he'll be a good president, and others voted against him because they predicted that he won't be good. I wonder on what basis others voted. Likability? Their own special interests?

There is no data on which to base a prediction.

Come back in a couple of years.
 
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