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america the christian nation?

america the christian nation?

  • yes we are still ruled by christianity

    Votes: 3 7.3%
  • we are not as christian as we were

    Votes: 38 92.7%

  • Total voters
    41
Should we tolerate the intolerant theists?

Of course we should, if we don't the magical wizard in the sky will punish us all for not listening to his edicts as interpreted by his followers as they see fit. I don't know about you, but I don't need no beef with magical sky wizards.
 
Incorrect. We're a nation with a secular government, the freedom of religion and a large but rapidly dwindling christian population. You are not some kind of special citizen with special rights because of you believe a zombie jew came back to life to stop what he was going to do to us. You are one of dozens of religions in the US and our country was not founded on christianity, especially considering half of the founding fathers were deists, which is about as christian as hinduism and islam.

I see you're just as hostile as usual, I always assume someone who lashes out like you do was butt diddled by a priest when they were a child.. Were you brought up Catholic?
 
that wasnt the poll. reread the question

I read the poll.

Poll: america the christian nation?
yes we are still ruled by christianity
we are not as christian as we were

If I were forced to choose, I'd choose B since were never were a Christian nation, and we never were.
 
Many of those, not sure if all, are the ones who participated in the writing of the Constitution
Yet they saw fit not to include those points in the Constitution.

Quite a few of the founders, particularly Jefferson, were troubled to a degree by Christianity. Jefferson even created his own bible taking phrases (literally)
from the three bibles and creating a cut and paste version.
 
Quite a few of the founders, particularly Jefferson, were troubled to a degree by Christianity. Jefferson even created his own bible taking phrases (literally)
from the three bibles and creating a cut and paste version.

Interesting.
Many seem to forget that people emigrated to the US(colonies), prior to your War of Independence fleeing religious persecution.
The Founding Fathers were more than familiar with internal religious wars that tore thru Europe, that countries having an official Religion, such as GB being Anglican, this lead to rampant persecutions and deaths of many.

Clear reason why Christianity is not in the Constitution, nor having an official Religion.
 
Yes, lots of religious people think you can only be moral and good through their religion. In fact, that's a central pillar to all the Abrahamic faiths: our way is the only way to get to heaven.

That is not what they were saying and I have certainly never said that. My post and their point of view recorded in history has absolutely nothing to do with how to be moral and/or get to heaven. Nor did any one of them EVER say one must be a Christian to be a patriot or an honorable person or an asset to their community and country, etc. etc. What they are saying is that our nation was founded as a Christian nation on Christian principles that made it a haven for people of all faiths and/or no faith and that our Constitution would only work for a religious or moral people. Note Adams did NOT say for a Christian and moral people.
 
this is a public opinion poll. there will be no insult slinging and there will be rational debate.

is america still the Christian nation we always were? all other "religions" have the right to practice freely and we should respect them even if they are wrong. however atheism isnt a religion so are they protected under the constitution? does anyone see us illegalizing atheism in the near future?

Christianity and America | Faith of Our Fathers

since this is a public opinion poll i expect fair and rational conversations.

Sigh this topic again. As a christian myself america was never a christian nation by definition and the vernacular of it's laws and constitution prove that fact. America is a country full of a majority of Christians though that is for sure, I'm one of them.
 
we let the atheists pretend they are right

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this is a public opinion poll. there will be no insult slinging and there will be rational debate.

is america still the Christian nation we always were? all other "religions" have the right to practice freely and we should respect them even if they are wrong. however atheism isnt a religion so are they protected under the constitution? does anyone see us illegalizing atheism in the near future?

Christianity and America | Faith of Our Fathers

since this is a public opinion poll i expect fair and rational conversations.


i voted yes we are still a Christian nation cause i havent lost faith in the US. the wife and i are very tolerant of the atheists because they are ignorant of how the world works, but they are still human beings

Judging from the post times it looks like it took you all of 3 minutes to contradict yourself. Bravo Bravo!

Yes, America is a "Christian" nation because at least a plurality of its citizens feel as you do. Christianity is right, everyone else is wrong, and tolerance means "allowing" wrong people to practice their beliefs...even though they're wrong. How do you think you'd view this discussion if you'd have grown up under the Taliban? Their religion is "right", everyone else is "wrong". Do you really believe you'd end up as a Christian? SAD!
 
No, we are not a christian nation, we are a nation of all faiths, religions and creeds, but we have a lot of christians. You do not have special privileges and christian holy law is not welcome. I am very tolerant of you because you are ignorant of how America works.



Yeah, he intentionally made a ****ty and pointed poll to try to get everyone to agree we were all founded on christianity. Nothing says confident in your faith like needing to force it on others through the government.

#Truth
 
Interesting.
Many seem to forget that people emigrated to the US(colonies), prior to your War of Independence fleeing religious persecution.
The Founding Fathers were more than familiar with internal religious wars that tore thru Europe, that countries having an official Religion, such as GB being Anglican, this lead to rampant persecutions and deaths of many.

Clear reason why Christianity is not in the Constitution, nor having an official Religion.

https://thehumanist.com/magazine/march-april-2012/features/the-bible-according-to-thomas-jefferson

I read somewhere that Jefferson did the same thing with the Christian, Jewish. and Muslim bibles. Maybe I heard that at one of his homes.
 
We have NEVER been a Christian nation. We have been a nation primarily made up of Christians, but that doesn't make us a Christian nation. Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, signed in 1796, makes that plain. It says, in part, "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
 
100% correct and I say that as a christian.

I don't believe this was ever intended to be a poll. More like "do you beat your wife or your daughter".
 
Many of those, not sure if all, are the ones who participated in the writing of the Constitution
Yet they saw fit not to include those points in the Constitution.

They were careful not to give the impression that Christianity or any other religion would be a favored religion or that any religion would have preference or power over any other. Nor would any particular denomination or faith group, Christian or otherwise, be given power over anybody who did not voluntarily subscribe to that denomination or religion.

So we give the central government no authority or power whatsoever over religion in the primary body of the Constitution and The First Amendment specifically protects the people's right to express whatever they think or believe in matters of religion and the government has no say in that; nor will any religious group be given power to impose their doctrine upon the central government. Thus central government involvement in all these national issues such as abortion, who can get married, who can use what restroom, what pharmaceuticals pharmacies must carry, what cakes the baker must bake, etc. are/would be and should be entirely unconstitutional as the Founders saw it.

Once the Constitution was corrupted to allow the federal government to dictate morality, right and wrong, etc., we started to lose our Constitution as it was intended. And the basic cultural Christian values that had helped to keep everything in check for so long became illegal and no longer able to protect us. Just as the Founders predicted.

And we have been the poorer for it.
 
I don't believe this was ever intended to be a poll. More like "do you beat your wife or your daughter".

Agreed. And again all Threads like this do is give Christianity a bad name. Smart, educated and objective people will see the thread for what it is, a terrible and dishonest poll. But for those looking to judge it will be an example of exactly what is wrong with some religious PEOPLE and not religion itself.
 
laugh out loud. we are and always have been. there is no need for that "other".

There is if you care about the truth, which clearly you don't. The Founding Fathers never intended for this to be a Christian nation. Welcome to the real world.
 
Please send me lots and lots of dollar bills so I can check if every one bears the slogan "In God We Trust".
 
I think we aren't as Christian as we once were because Christianity was once the 'norm' almost everywhere in America and those of us who embraced it were not attacked, insulted, and/or maligned, and nobody would have presumed to see it as a violation of anybody's rights.

We once celebrated Christmas and even Easter joyously and unoffensively pretty much everywhere--in the schools, in the workplace, on campus of our universities, in department stores, in the hospitals, in all government buildings, etc. It was a beautiful and satisfying component of the predominantly Christian American culture and even those who did not embrace Christianity enjoyed it as an American festival just as we would enjoy the cultural festivals celebrated in other countries including the non-Christian ones. The creche on the courthouse lawn was a charming American tradition that offended nobody and to sue somebody because it was there was unthinkable.

But with the rise of an intolerant Progressivism coupled with an opportunistic Libertarianism (capital "L") in which money could be made by challenging such customs and symbols, we have lost much of that. Our young are too often taught that Christianity is born of evil and corrupt influences or is a corruption of paganism, etc. etc. etc. and they never experience the joy and comfort that a relationship with the Christ brings to those of us who are blessed with that. "Merry or Blessed Christmas" has been replaced with a generic "Happy Holidays" in many if not most places. Christmas is no longer acknowledged in the schools that now have Winter Breaks instead of Christmas breaks. Public prayer is outlawed or not allowed in most public places. The school that includes too many old traditional Christmas carols in the winter concert can face severe retribution.

Christians are supposed to be sensitive and sympathetic to non-Christians whose feelings are of much more importance than any desire or feelings of the Christians.

And our country is definitely the poorer for it.

LOL oh whoa is me . . . this is some hilarious victimhood and or nonsensical dramatics right here. And again I say that as a christian in a nation that has never been christian by default. What country do you live in that public prayer is outlayed or not allowed in most public places?
 
Please send me lots and lots of dollar bills so I can check if every one bears the slogan "In God We Trust".

You do know it was only added to the back of dollar bills in 1957 at the height of the commie scare, right?
 
I think we aren't as Christian as we once were because Christianity was once the 'norm' almost everywhere in America and those of us who embraced it were not attacked, insulted, and/or maligned, and nobody would have presumed to see it as a violation of anybody's rights.

We once celebrated Christmas and even Easter joyously and unoffensively pretty much everywhere--in the schools, in the workplace, on campus of our universities, in department stores, in the hospitals, in all government buildings, etc. It was a beautiful and satisfying component of the predominantly Christian American culture and even those who did not embrace Christianity enjoyed it as an American festival just as we would enjoy the cultural festivals celebrated in other countries including the non-Christian ones. The creche on the courthouse lawn was a charming American tradition that offended nobody and to sue somebody because it was there was unthinkable.

But with the rise of an intolerant Progressivism coupled with an opportunistic Libertarianism (capital "L") in which money could be made by challenging such customs and symbols, we have lost much of that. Our young are too often taught that Christianity is born of evil and corrupt influences or is a corruption of paganism, etc. etc. etc. and they never experience the joy and comfort that a relationship with the Christ brings to those of us who are blessed with that. "Merry or Blessed Christmas" has been replaced with a generic "Happy Holidays" in many if not most places. Christmas is no longer acknowledged in the schools that now have Winter Breaks instead of Christmas breaks. Public prayer is outlawed or not allowed in most public places. The school that includes too many old traditional Christmas carols in the winter concert can face severe retribution.

Christians are supposed to be sensitive and sympathetic to non-Christians whose feelings are of much more importance than any desire or feelings of the Christians.

And our country is definitely the poorer for it.

It's sad. Christians can't even celebrate Easter without having to ignore that it was stolen from a celebration of the German god Eostre. And what happened to the Christian freedom to impart their morality on everyone else? Right this minute Christians are being forced to not discriminate against gays. Talk about a hate crime, Christian businessmen are even forced to engage in profitable transactions with people that share an unrelated difference. It's terrible.

Christians are the most protected group in America. There are so many laws, regulations, policies etc.. cut out just to protect them. I know there's this fascination with oppression especially among fundamentalists; since the early church fathers had to deal with quite a bit. So every week from the pulpit you're told that you're going to be oppressed and face all sorts of abuse. At the first hint of any criticism fundamental Christians tend to claim that they're being wronged, as if valid criticism for being a theocratic ass is equivalent the torture and abuse church fathers faced. But that's just ridiculous. People just want to live their lives in peace. No one cares what you believe or what you do so long as you're not bothering anyone else.

Look up the statistics on attacks against Christians (IN THE US) and subtract the attacks on Southern Black Churches. You won't end up with much, especially when you compare it to every other group. I mean take all of the hate crimes committed against Christians and compare it against all of the crimes committed by Catholic priests. Now can you honestly say that Christians are "oppressed"?
 
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this is a public opinion poll. there will be no insult slinging and there will be rational debate.

is america still the Christian nation we always were? all other "religions" have the right to practice freely and we should respect them even if they are wrong. however atheism isnt a religion so are they protected under the constitution? does anyone see us illegalizing atheism in the near future?

Christianity and America | Faith of Our Fathers

since this is a public opinion poll i expect fair and rational conversations.

The country was never a "Christian nation" it's against the creed of the founding documents. There was a time when Christians outnumbers all other religions, but those days are probably gone.
 
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