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Should high school boys be required to pledge never to commit Domestic Violence?

Requiring high school boys to pledge never to commit Domestic Violence is

  • A great practice promoting respect

    Votes: 2 5.3%

  • A good practice

    Votes: 3 7.9%

  • A bad practice

    Votes: 28 73.7%

  • A human rights violation

    Votes: 5 13.2%
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In Australia, boys are required to pledge:

The Libertarian senator said in Question Time on Wednesday that a high school student from Sydney had complained to him about the male students in her public high school being forced to stand and recite the White Ribbon Day oath in front of the female students.

The oath is part of White Ribbon’s campaign to encourage men to stand up to domestic violence against women, and consists of two sentences:

I will stand up, speak out and act to prevent men’s violence against women. This is my Oath.
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Could such a pledge be required in USA? Would it be Constitutional?
 
SCitizen said:
In Australia, boys are required to pledge:



Could such a pledge be required in USA? Would it be Constitutional?
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That pledge would be as meaningful and effective as the school pledges to stop bullying or to be drug-free. It's not going to do diddly squat.

Plus, it's not only men that commit Domesitc Violence.
 
How about just plain stupid?

If the school didn't teach em enough common sense to know that without a pledge then the teachers should be fired..
 
You write the law right, then you tell the young that the law is what the collective expects out of them at minimum. You do not go screwing with their heads by making them say promises, and worse teaching them to lie by making them say promises, and still teaching them that their elders are idiots by making them say promises.

People have gotten so very dumb I tell ya.....
 
SCitizen said:
In Australia, boys are required to pledge:

Could such a pledge be required in USA? Would it be Constitutional?
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It is a violation of the First Amendment protection of freedom of expression.

You cannot require anyone to take an oath unless they volunteer to participate in something requiring an oath.

For example, enlisting in the military or testifying in court.

This would not fly here in the USA. Hell, we don't even require the Pledge of Allegiance anymore.
 
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TheGoverness said:
That pledge would be as meaningful and effective as the school pledges to stop bullying or to be drug-free. It's not going to do diddly squat.
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In my era 1980s, when I was in USA, the main topic was drunk driving.

Earlier, I was forced to pledge to be loyal to USSR -- pledge I never kept.
 
suspect it is as effective as the virginity pledge is here
 
justabubba said:
suspect it is as effective as the virginity pledge is here
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In my opinion, the main problem is singling out male students. Imagine an outrage if only minority students were forced to promise never to commit crime.
 
SCitizen said:
In my opinion, the main problem is singling out male students. Imagine an outrage if only minority students were forced to promise never to commit crime.
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i have no problem with the intent
to have guys look at females and promise not to assault them
in the belief that may dissuade some future domestic assaults among this cohort

but how good is any pledge uttered while one is under duress
 
justabubba said:
to have guys look at females and promise not to assault them
in the belief that may dissuade some future domestic assaults among this cohort
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I think that the pledge not to commit DV should be given by both genders.
 
SCitizen said:
I think that the pledge not to commit DV should be given by both genders.
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i agree with that
but it looks like they are playing the percentages here
 
Orly? said:
How about just plain stupid?

If the school didn't teach em enough common sense to know that without a pledge then the teachers should be fired..
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School, this a lesson to be learned at home.
 
SCitizen said:
In Australia, boys are required to pledge:



Could such a pledge be required in USA? Would it be Constitutional?
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*at some schools in Australia, boys can participate in a non-compulsory pledge.

Don't get news from buzfeed, and don't listen to Senator Leyonhjelm.
 
TheGoverness said:
Plus, it's not only men that commit Domesitc Violence.
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This is true, our society just can't and I'm not sure ever will come to grips with female on male domestic violence of physiological abuse, however obviously male on female is much more widespread and systematic.

But one thing always stood out to me, after we had our first child, we had this appointment with a family nurse thing for immunizations etc. And at one point I was asked to leave the room and my wife was asked alot of questions but one of them was if there was any domestic abuse at home.

Of course I was never asked...
 
Jetboogieman said:
And at one point I was asked to leave the room and my wife was asked alot of questions but one of them was if there was any domestic abuse at home.
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If anyone regularly made practice of asking similar questions of women (if they abuse their children for instance), there would be an international outrage. Our society will have to evolve a long time before similar outrage will be from most men.
 
SCitizen said:
In Australia, boys are required to pledge:



Could such a pledge be required in USA? Would it be Constitutional?
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"requiring" anyone (especially a minor) to "pledge" anything is dubious, especially in America.


1. "Require" implies duress; promises made under duress are not legally binding.
2. Education and enlightenment on why it is a Bad Thing would probably be much more effective than a "pledge".
3. I don't think HS kids take their word very seriously as it is... make something a "compulsory pledge" and it becomes as meaningless as a snowflake in a blast furnace.
4. Just no, because freedom.




And before someone brings it up, no I don't support forcing them to "pledge allegiance to the flag" either. They can if they want to; if they don't, fine.
 
TheGoverness said:
That pledge would be as meaningful and effective as the school pledges to stop bullying or to be drug-free. It's not going to do diddly squat.

Plus, it's not only men that commit Domesitc Violence.
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From someone who lived through that, thank you.
 
SCitizen said:
In Australia, boys are required to pledge:



Could such a pledge be required in USA? Would it be Constitutional?
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It wouldn't be a bad idea to start discussing domestic violence openly in high school, but if only the males have to utter an oath while the females get a pass, it would be completely unconstitutional. Since when do we have laws... and oaths... that only affect one gender?
 
DiAnna said:
It wouldn't be a bad idea to start discussing domestic violence openly in high school, but if only the males have to utter an oath while the females get a pass, it would be completely unconstitutional. Since when do we have laws... and oaths... that only affect one gender?
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Agree 100% -- everyone should have an option for such oath.
 
SCitizen said:
I think that the pledge not to commit DV should be given by both genders.
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It only serves a purpose if it is optional.

If it is mandatory, the person giving it who later beats his wife will just claim he did not mean the pledge because he was forced to give it.

It should be optional...only then does it have moral bite to it.
 
countryboy said:
Never taught inside the home? Good grief, what an idiotic thing to say. :roll:
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yes it was
i failed to add "by many families"

in some, by observation, the kids soon see that it is accepted and familiar practice
 
justabubba said:
yes it was
i failed to add "by many families"

in some, by observation, the kids soon see that it is accepted and familiar practice
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Okay, thanks for the correction. Sorry for being so harsh. On this we agree.
 
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