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Was President Obama good for the Democratic Party?

Was President Obama good for the Democratic brand?

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disneydude said:
That simply shows that there are a lot of idiots in the United States who were willing to believe a snakeoil salesman. We did the same thing in California when voters got gaga-eyed for Arnold Schwarzaneggar who left a huge mess for Jerry Brown to come in and clean up.
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Plenty of idiots voted for Clinton as well. And if you think Jerry Brown has good for California, I question your ability to judge anything with an honest approach.
 
ajn678 said:
Plenty of idiots voted for Clinton as well. And if you think Jerry Brown has good for California, I question your ability to judge anything with an honest approach.
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Take a look at the numbers. Facts are not something to be afraid of.
 
disneydude said:
Take a look at the numbers. Facts are not something to be afraid of.
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Surely you could provide some of these since you seem to know what you are talking about, right?
 
I don't see why not. Comparatively speaking (to the last 5 presidents at least) he's been alright.
Between he and his predecessor there is basically no contest who was the superior officer.
 
jmotivator said:
I'm wondering if people think that the 8 years of the Obama presidency was positive overall for the Democratic brand?
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obama divided this country worse than Jefferson davis. total failure
 
jmotivator said:
I'm wondering if people think that the 8 years of the Obama presidency was positive overall for the Democratic brand?
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The question probably should be do you think Obama's presidency was good for the country as a whole. Obama spent a lot of his presidency with a public approval of below 50%. His approval numbers on December 31st of each year were 2009 51%, 2010 47%, 2011 42%, 2012 52%, 2013 51%, 2014 44%, 2015 45% and today at 52%.

His landmark legislation the ACA, is still opposed by over half of all Americans and according to Gallup and Kaiser, it is hurting more people than it is helping. This nation is more divided today than it was when he first entered office. Our national debt has risen from 10.4 trillion and is closing in on 20 trillion during his watch.

When Obama won the office of the presidency in January of 2009, the Democratic Party was seen in a favorable light by 55% of all Americans, today that is down to 45%. But the Republican Party was at 40% then and still is at 40% today when it comes to viewing them favorably. Back in January of 2009 37% of the electorate identified themselves as Democrats, today that number is 32%. But on the other side in January of 2009 26% of the electorate affiliated themselves with the Republican Party, today that number stands at 27%. So those who left the Democratic Party didn't run over to the Republicans, they became independents.

I would say overall, the Democratic brand did take a hit. Perhaps a fairly big hit when one considers the number of house seats, senate seats, governorship's, state legislatures lost during his 8 years. But it survived and is still in better shape than the Republicans when it comes to national elections. The democrats did improve some this election, picking up 7 house seats, 2 senate seats, 1 governorship. The GOP took control of three state legislatures from the Democrats, but the Democrats were able to take four from the Republicans for a net gain of one.
 
Kobie said:
The "midterm catastrophes" would have been far less catastrophic for the Dems, at least in the House, without the sickness of gerrymandering.
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Which is a self defeating argument since to arrive at your conclusion you must first assume a redrawing of districts that would be favorable to Democrats.
 
jmotivator said:
I'm wondering if people think that the 8 years of the Obama presidency was positive overall for the Democratic brand?
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No I do not. I believe that he made a lot of divisive comments/actions/lack of actions. Beer summit was idiotic. "If I had a son, he'd be like Trayvon" really set it all off. He only spoke about cases that involved race when he thought he could score political points, and ignored cases involved with race where he'd go against the Democratic stance. Such as the woman that was killed by an illegal alien. He refused to acknowledge that there are extremist muslims (in fact, he couldn't even bring himself to say it) while fighting a "war" against them. And he didn't stand up for the police force, instead making comments that actually encouraged dissension against them.

And the rest of the Democrat party went along with him. So much so that in many of their minds anyone that is white is racist. Any that are male are misogynistic pigs. And if you're a white male you are the lowest of the low. While completely ignoring their own racism and misogynistic/misandrist ways. Albeit some of that was going around long before Obama came around. But he certainly didn't do anything to bring everyone together and as the leader of the US that is part of his job.

Now I'm sure that many here will demand proof of these claims. Frankly, tough ****. I'm not providing them because they're all common knowledge. If Democrats don't want to admit these things then that is just a continuing problem that they have. And is one of the many reasons that they lost this election in totality. The only thing that this entire election was about was flaming the other side. Even during the debates it was nothing more than hate fueled rhetoric going back and forth between Trump and Hillary.

I'm also sure that many will consider what I said here partisan. That's fine. Again, don't care. But 4 years from now get back to me. I'm sure I'll be saying the same general thing against Trump and Republicans because they truly have been no better than Democrats and will no doubt continue along the same idiotic path.
 
We who passionately post routinely in this forum clearly do not represent a normal cross-section of voters.... no way no how. We foment political discord for sport and entertainment. Was _______ good for ______ brand? Someone chums our fishbowl and wham... the action follows! Since I arrived on Planet Earth, 6 Republicans have won Presidential elections - Ike, Nixon, Reagan, Daddy Bush, GW and now Trump. A 7th, Ford, took office after Nixon resigned. 5 Democrats won office - JFK, LBJ, Carter, Slick Willie and Obama. The pendulum has continued to swing back and forth between the two major parties. We do not have an autocracy. Instead, we have an arduous obstacle course requiring an immense amount of skill and determination to prevail. Hats off to Team Trump! They did it... and with far less money than their main competitor. That might bode very well for the country. I cannot envision any real world scenario that I would vote for Team Trump. I come steeped in a different ideology.

As to Obama's impact on the Democratic Party: I applaud him! IMO, he came from humble origins. Certainly his beginnings lack any sense of having lead a life of white male privilege. His academic prowess enabled him to distinguish himself and impressively rise through our social, economic and political ranks. I knew nothing about him until he spoke at the 2004 DNC. I immediately took note! Since then, he won the Presidential election twice. He speaks with eloquence. He maintains professional decorum. I have never heard him curse in public. I believe he wants to raise the quality and standard of living for as many people as possible. I do not blame him for the Democratic Party down ballot losses. While our President wields enormous power, our President does not wield unlimited power. We have safeguards in place.
Team Trump to win had to make dubious alliances. Trump enters office with a tenuous grip in the Senate. Now he has to perform... and I get to take great spectator pleasure in the process! Congratulations Team Trump and Trumpers! You the Republicans have control... giggle giggle!
 
ajn678 said:
Surely you could provide some of these since you seem to know what you are talking about, right?
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You obviously don't know much about California. Jerry Brown inherited a 26 billion dollar deficit, thanks in large part to the Republican nightmare called Arnold Schwarzaneggar and the Republican Wannabe Gray Davis. He reigned in spending, got Californians to agree to a tax hike to make up these deficits and balanced the budget. California is in the best financial shape today that it has been in decades. You really should pay attention more if you wanna comment.

Here's one article among many that you can find if you just take 10 seconds and google: California Balances Its Budget - The New York Times
 
With an approval rating of almost 60% I would say Obama was pretty good for the Dems.
 
jmotivator said:
I'm wondering if people think that the 8 years of the Obama presidency was positive overall for the Democratic brand?
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Lol.....19 people thought Obama was good for the Democrat brand ?
Jeesus....they still haven't learned a thing.
 
NO! Unless the destruction of the democrat party is what he was trying to do?

You can keep your doctor if you want.
You can keep your health care insurance if you want.
Obamacare will save the average middle class family $2500 a year.

US debt is 19 trillion now. When Obama came into office it was 10 trillion.
 
disneydude said:
You obviously don't know much about California. Jerry Brown inherited a 26 billion dollar deficit, thanks in large part to the Republican nightmare called Arnold Schwarzaneggar and the Republican Wannabe Gray Davis. He reigned in spending, got Californians to agree to a tax hike to make up these deficits and balanced the budget. California is in the best financial shape today that it has been in decades. You really should pay attention more if you wanna comment.

Here's one article among many that you can find if you just take 10 seconds and google: California Balances Its Budget - The New York Times
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Such BS

O.C. Watchdog: Unfunded pension debt approaching $1 trillion?- OC Watchdog Blog: Orange County Register
 
TheDemSocialist said:
With an approval rating of almost 60% I would say Obama was pretty good for the Dems.
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Really ?? Thats all you people have to hang your hat on ? A approval rating thats highly suspicious and that hasn't equated to anything substantial?

THIS is substantial....
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And THIS is Hillarous...
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TheDemSocialist said:
With an approval rating of almost 60% I would say Obama was pretty good for the Dems.
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Wave, Continued: GOP Will Control 70 Percent of All State Legislative Chambers

Wave, Continued: GOP Will Control 70 Percent of All State Legislative Chambers - Guy Benson

The GOP will field majorities in 69 out of 98 partisan legislatures (Nebraska's state legislature is unicameral and nonpartisan). For those keeping score at home, that's 70 percent of all legislatures. And that's with Republican governors presiding over nearly two-thirds of all states.

Republicans keep control of Congress

Congress stays under Republican control - CNNPolitics.com

Republicans pulled off a political stunner Tuesday night -- running the table down-ballot and keeping control of the House and Senate, CNN projects.
In a year when the GOP was almost entirely on defense, the party's incumbents -- many outspent and hobbled by struggling campaigns -- managed to survive a political landscape that long appeared all but certain to cost them the Senate.
 
disneydude said:
You obviously don't know much about California. Jerry Brown inherited a 26 billion dollar deficit, thanks in large part to the Republican nightmare called Arnold Schwarzaneggar and the Republican Wannabe Gray Davis. He reigned in spending, got Californians to agree to a tax hike to make up these deficits and balanced the budget. California is in the best financial shape today that it has been in decades. You really should pay attention more if you wanna comment.

Here's one article among many that you can find if you just take 10 seconds and google: California Balances Its Budget - The New York Times
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LOL

California is doomed unless there is a wholesale change in it's liberal progressive ways.

The budget hasn't been balanced, it's been scammed. Do you have any idea how many IOU's the fools in Sacramento have placed in various accounts to meet the constitutionally mandated balanced budget? Do you know those IOU's are still outstanding? Do you know how massive the unfunded pension plan liability is for the state?

Here is a real article that details California's bleak future.

Forbes Welcome

As its economy started to recover in 2010, progressives began to hail California as a kind of Scandinavia on the Pacific — a place where liberal programs also produce prosperity. The state’s recovery has won plaudits from such respected figures as The American Prospect’s Harold Meyerson and the New York Times’ Paul Krugman.

Gov. Jerry Brown, in Bill Maher’s assessment, “took a broken state and fixed it.” There’s a political lesson being injected here, as well, as blue organs like The New Yorker describe California as doing far better economically than nasty red-state Texas.

But if you take a look at long-term economic trends, or drive around the state with your eyes open, the picture is far less convincing.

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Most likely this state deficit will balloon once asset inflation deflates. Brown is already forecasting budget deficits as high as $4 billion by the time he leaves office in 2019. The Mercatus Center ranks California 44th out of the 50 states in terms of fiscal condition, 46th in long-run solvency and 47th in terms of cash needed to cover short-run liabilities.​
 
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Kobie said:
Stop it. He was elected because of eight years of Republican fatigue and because he was a young, charismatic voice amidst a sea of same-old, same-old, and you know that.
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he got the nod over Clinton because he was a novelty and tons of people wanted to see a black president. tons of people voted for him due to that rather than his policies or his almost non-existent resume
 
If it is thought a one percent growth rate in the GNP is okay...or higher poverty rate is okay....a lower employment participation rate is okay...jobs and companies fleeing the US because of higher taxes and poor thought out regulations.....yeah he was a great president.
But the people have spoken and now Obama and in part the democratic party is irrelevant and rightly so.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
With an approval rating of almost 60% I would say Obama was pretty good for the Dems.
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I am always suspicious of polls and you should be as well, if the polls predicting Hillary winning in the presidential elections should tell you....One: where was this poll taken. possibly in a blue area like New York City or San Francisco or by the very liberal MSM which was trying to sway the vote in Hillary favor. Two: what was the question leading up to the that result of 60%.
 
disneydude said:
You obviously don't know much about California. Jerry Brown inherited a 26 billion dollar deficit, thanks in large part to the Republican nightmare called Arnold Schwarzaneggar and the Republican Wannabe Gray Davis. He reigned in spending, got Californians to agree to a tax hike to make up these deficits and balanced the budget. California is in the best financial shape today that it has been in decades. You really should pay attention more if you wanna comment.

Here's one article among many that you can find if you just take 10 seconds and google: California Balances Its Budget - The New York Times
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You link an article from 2013? I guess you haven't seen what they are doing these days have you?
 
ajn678 said:
You link an article from 2013? I guess you haven't seen what they are doing these days have you?
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There are plenty of articles out there that discuss the facts. When you take you head out of the sand and look...you might learn something. Education is not your enemy.
 
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