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Republican Voters (Secretly, Really) Want Bigger Government

Did Republican Voters Vote for Bigger Government?

  • Yes, they just were afraid to openly admit it

    Votes: 15 50.0%

  • No, Republicans are strictly for a smaller, limited government

    Votes: 2 6.7%

  • Yes, but only in areas of defense and free trade deals

    Votes: 3 10.0%

  • No, we just want to grow the private sector and bring back American production

    Votes: 10 33.3%
  • Total voters
    30
  • Poll closed .
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The Real Reason Rand Paul is Losing to Trump and Carson: Republican Voters Want Bigger Government | The Huffington Post

I came across the linked article and it's a very interesting read. As I reviewed it, I recalled much of what Donald Trump had stated while on the campaign trail. While his focus had always been on bringing manufacturing jobs back to America, reducing the influx of illegal immigrants and renegotiating trade deals, I couldn't help remembering things I'd read recently on global trade which coincided with things Adam Smith wrote about concerning free trade between nations and what would happen if excessively high tariffs were imposed against the importation of foreign goods to slow such inflows in an attempt to stimulate domestic production. So, you can imagine my surprise to see the author of this HuffPost blog reference Adam Smith in much the same way. And that got me to thinking...

Do Republican voters really want bigger government? Or put another way: In voting for Donald Trump did Republican voters actually vote for bigger government without realizing what their vote would truly mean for government expansion or a ballooning deficit?

Read the article, vote and share your thoughts.
 
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The GOP has NOT been the party of "smaller government", or "less government intrusion" for decades.
 
That's not a secret. The GOP is a Big Government party.
 
I think if you want a poll which actually reflects why voters voted as they did, you're going to need about a hundred more choices.

Not that this is intended to be any kind of honest poll.
 
Ahhh...duh? If they were the party of small government they would be the libertarian party or something.
 
Objective Voice said:
The Real Reason Rand Paul is Losing to Trump and Carson: Republican Voters Want Bigger Government | The Huffington Post

I came across the linked article and it's a very interesting read. As I reviewed it, I recalled much of what Donald Trump had stated while on the campaign trail. While his focus had always been on bringing manufacturing jobs back to America, reducing the influx of illegal immigrants and renegotiating trade deals, I couldn't help remembering things I'd read recently on global trade which coincided with things Adam Smith wrote about concerning free trade between nations and what would happen if excessively high tariffs were imposed against the importation of foreign goods to slow such inflows in an attempt to stimulate domestic production. So, you can imagine my surprise to see the author of this HuffPost blog reference Adam Smith in much the same way. And that got me to thinking...

Do Republican voters really want bigger government? Or put another way: In voting for Donald Trump did Republican voters actually vote for bigger government without realizing what their vote would truly mean for government expansion or a ballooning deficit?

Read the article, vote and share your thoughts.
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i voted for trump cause he will make America great again. doesnt matter how big the government is.
 
11Bravo said:
i voted for trump cause he will make America great again. doesnt matter how big the government is.
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I wonder if libertarians could win if we ran around saying "We're going to make America great again" or "We're going to win so much you're going to get tired of winning".
 
Objective Voice said:
The Real Reason Rand Paul is Losing to Trump and Carson: Republican Voters Want Bigger Government | The Huffington Post

I came across the linked article and it's a very interesting read. As I reviewed it, I recalled much of what Donald Trump had stated while on the campaign trail. While his focus had always been on bringing manufacturing jobs back to America, reducing the influx of illegal immigrants and renegotiating trade deals, I couldn't help remembering things I'd read recently on global trade which coincided with things Adam Smith wrote about concerning free trade between nations and what would happen if excessively high tariffs were imposed against the importation of foreign goods to slow such inflows in an attempt to stimulate domestic production. So, you can imagine my surprise to see the author of this HuffPost blog reference Adam Smith in much the same way. And that got me to thinking...

Do Republican voters really want bigger government? Or put another way: In voting for Donald Trump did Republican voters actually vote for bigger government without realizing what their vote would truly mean for government expansion or a ballooning deficit?

Read the article, vote and share your thoughts.
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You make no distinction between the TEA party and the Trump Train. That's a yuuuge problem right there.
 
What do you mean by "secretly"? Republican voters have been pretty adamant that they want more government. The voters clamber for it and so do the politicians.
 
Henrin said:
I wonder if libertarians could win if we ran around saying "We're going to make America great again" or "We're going to win so much you're going to get tired of winning".
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once Hillary is jailed the economy is supposed to pick up
 
11Bravo said:
once Hillary is jailed the economy is supposed to pick up
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It's odd that you feel Trump would even care to focus on prosecuting her seeing as he doesn't want to hurt the Clintons and believes they are good people.
 
Cardinal said:
It's odd that you feel Trump would even care to focus on prosecuting her seeing as he doesn't want to hurt the Clintons and believes they are good people.
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the first order of business for the new attorney general is to lock up the criminal Clinton.
 
Henrin said:
I wonder if libertarians could win if we ran around saying "We're going to make America great again" or "We're going to win so much you're going to get tired of winning".
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It's a better message than saying "who cares about global warming, in a few billion years the sun is gonna go super nova and destroy this planet".
 
11Bravo said:
the first order of business for the new attorney general is to lock up the criminal Clinton.
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Except that Trump believes the Clintons are good people and he doesn't want to hurt them.
 
Dragonfly said:
The GOP has NOT been the party of "smaller government", or "less government intrusion" for decades.
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Although it's painful to do so, I agree. Not painful to agree with you personally, but painful to admit that the GOP has gone so far afield from two of their core and foundational beliefs. Especially the "less government intrusion" part. I told my local Congressman that the GOP wants a smaller government, but only in a way that it could fit into everyone's bedroom, or even worse, in their underwear.
 
Harshaw said:
I think if you want a poll which actually reflects why voters voted as they did, you're going to need about a hundred more choices.

Not that this is intended to be any kind of honest poll.
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Why question the merits of the pollster? Why does every poll presented have to be for some partisan reason?

I asked the question because upon reading the article, I deemed the question a rational one. If you watched all three presidential debates, you know that the OBM stated clearly that Trump's economic plan would increased the deficit 3-fold above Hillary's. Yet, all we've heard from the GOP and Republican voters these past 8 years has been how Obama has increased the debt and the national deficit more during his presidency than all past presidents combined. So, I think it's a very fair question to ask.

In voting for Donald Trump did Republican voters actually vote for bigger government without realizing what their vote would truly mean for government expansion or a ballooning deficit?
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There's no trickery there, no partisan slight of hand. I didn't make any claims upon the integrity of the voters. Just their judgement in a sense. Since the main thrust of the Trump candidacy has been jobs, I think it fair to consider how those jobs would be created. Don't you?

And if they come at a price that the public would bear and not the private sector, shouldn't the people be just as concerned about that under a Trump presidency as they were under an Obama presidency?
 
Cardinal said:
Except that Trump believes the Clintons are good people and he doesn't want to hurt them.
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the question is, what type of deal will Hillary make with the AG for a light sentence.
 
I think there is a large section of the republican party that wants less government... and there is also a large section of it who wants more.
 
11Bravo said:
the question is, what type of deal will Hillary make with the AG for a light sentence.
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The question is, why would she even need to make a deal if Trump is no longer focused on her? Trump said they were good people and that he doesn't want to hurt them. You can't run away from that.
 
celticwar17 said:
I think there is a large section of the republican party that wants less government... and there is also a large section of it who wants more.
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I think when Republicans say they want "less government" they mean they want the government to focus on issues that are important to them. Dems are much better at messaging what they want the government to do than Republicans. Both parties want too much imho but there's slightly more overlap in Republican government programs than Democratic government programs when it comes to things I'd like the government to do as of late.
 
Objective Voice said:
The Real Reason Rand Paul is Losing to Trump and Carson: Republican Voters Want Bigger Government | The Huffington Post

I came across the linked article and it's a very interesting read. As I reviewed it, I recalled much of what Donald Trump had stated while on the campaign trail. While his focus had always been on bringing manufacturing jobs back to America, reducing the influx of illegal immigrants and renegotiating trade deals, I couldn't help remembering things I'd read recently on global trade which coincided with things Adam Smith wrote about concerning free trade between nations and what would happen if excessively high tariffs were imposed against the importation of foreign goods to slow such inflows in an attempt to stimulate domestic production. So, you can imagine my surprise to see the author of this HuffPost blog reference Adam Smith in much the same way. And that got me to thinking...

Do Republican voters really want bigger government? Or put another way: In voting for Donald Trump did Republican voters actually vote for bigger government without realizing what their vote would truly mean for government expansion or a ballooning deficit?

Read the article, vote and share your thoughts.
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Makes perfect sense. I hope Rand primaries Trump's ass in 2020 and fires him.
 
11Bravo said:
the question is, what type of deal will Hillary make with the AG for a light sentence.
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They'll never actually bring charges, so she'll never have to worry about having to make a deal.
 
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