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What kind of Ex-President with President Obama become?

He'll be a great advocate when he's in the white house under the Michelle Obama administration, but that will be a solid 16 years from now.

Actually I think the voters have had enough of family political dynasties for a while.
 
I suppose but the President elect could also be legitimately accused of a bit of that. :) The difference is, Trump has very different goals and a very different skill set than Obama has. And it is those that we voted for to put Trump in the White House..

it would be fair to say that Trump is a megalomaniac, however not a narcissist.

I'm pretty sure Trump won't be accusing Obama for anything that doesn't work out as planned though as Obama has done to President Bush for the last eight years.

I actually pitied Obama when he did that. Most president elects are man enough to take ownership of the office they have been elevated to and do not waste time trashing the previous president every time something goes wrong. Obama is the classic narcissist. He does not accept responsibility for anything he does that goes south.
 
This is an excellent example of the post that you responded to. Your response is based COMPLETELY on your politics... nothing else.

No it's not based on my politics at all. I was of adult age while Carter was president. He was a very decent human being, however he was completely incompetent as a president. He had no idea what to do when the sh*t hit the fan...for instance during the embassy hostage ordeal in Iran. He also blamed public malaise for the sad state of the economy at the time. he meant well, he just did not have a clue. That's why he was a one termer.
 
Actually I think the voters have had enough of family political dynasties for a while.

16 years is too soon? No way dawg. Plus, I think Michelle Obama would have won this last election if she'd run in place of Hillary. We'll know within 4 years if that's her goal but I don't think it is.
 
When President Obama leaves office next year, how will he conduct himself vis-à-vis the next and future Presidents?

Edit:

My attempts to create this as a poll failed and it timed me out before I could complete it.

The options were to be:

1. He'll be just like President Carter, a critic and an expert on everything

2. He'll be just like Presidents Bush I and II, speaking only when asked by the sitting President for advice and never critical of the sitting President's decisions.

3. Other

PPS - my apologies for the error in the title of the thread - boy, this was a bad first attempt!!

He will continue to think his he's relevant. The state media will reinforce this believe and use him to undermine every decision President Trump makes.
 
He will continue to think his he's relevant. The state media will reinforce this believe and use him to undermine every decision President Trump makes.

He's not even out of office yet, and clearly he's got a long term lease on space in your head.
 
it would be fair to say that Trump is a megalomaniac, however not a narcissist.

But, of couse, he actually is a narcissist. Do you understand what that word means?
I actually pitied Obama when he did that. Most president elects are man enough to take ownership of the office they have been elevated to and do not waste time trashing the previous president every time something goes wrong. Obama is the classic narcissist. He does not accept responsibility for anything he does that goes south.

Yawn. Obama didn't do that. Why pretend that he did? What's the point?
 
I have to disagree with you on that one wise owl - from what I've seen of Donald Trump, nothing in his life that goes wrong is his fault and he has a ready excuse and a ready whipping boy for any trouble he faces. Trump, however, is likely to go back even further and not only blame President Obama but also blame President Bush II, when convenient and playing his anti-establishment schtick.

I fully expect President Trump to take a back seat to no one when it comes to whining. That's not to say he can't be successful - I expect that circumstances are now in his favour to succeed, if he's smart, but there's no way he's going to dismantle some or a lot of President Obama's "legacy" without whining about him in the process.

Well I'll watch closer, but I haven't seen that trait in him. He is quick to note that this or that was unfair to him, and he is a 'whiner' in that respect, but only when they actually are. He doesn't spell out his personal mistakes or misjudgments, but who does? But since he has won the nomination, he is out of campaign mode and into presidential mode and I fully expect him to own the decisions he makes. But I could be wrong believe it or not. :)
 
it would be fair to say that Trump is a megalomaniac, however not a narcissist.



I actually pitied Obama when he did that. Most president elects are man enough to take ownership of the office they have been elevated to and do not waste time trashing the previous president every time something goes wrong. Obama is the classic narcissist. He does not accept responsibility for anything he does that goes south.

I'm not seeing the megalomaniac aspect I guess. Confidence is something different I think and he is a confident person, and maybe what I am seeing as a bit narcissistic could be better identified as personal pride in what he has accomplished. That is probably something different too.

Well, in fairness to Obama, we have to say that Trump doesn't advertise his mistakes and missteps either and he probably won't do so as President. But. . .he has been good to learn from them, put them behind him, and push forward to bigger and better things. Obama, unfortunately, doesn't seem to have that capacity.
 
If he was in politics for the right reasons, he'll stay engaged in the issues shaping the country and/or the world. If he was in it for selfish reasons, he'll probably disappear and spend the rest of his life painting or laying on a beach somewhere.

I suspect we haven't heard the last from him.
 
He will continue to think his he's relevant. The state media will reinforce this believe and use him to undermine every decision President Trump makes.

I agree - it's hard for someone who steps down from an important position, whether in politics or business, to completely remove themselves from the conversation. And you're right about the media, because I remember that Bill Clinton was constantly consulted by them about Bush II and they tried to do the same with Bush II related to Obama, but Bush II made it clear right away that his days in politics were over, period. It will be interesting to see if President Obama can resist that temptation or if he'll be drawn back in.
 
Well I'll watch closer, but I haven't seen that trait in him. He is quick to note that this or that was unfair to him, and he is a 'whiner' in that respect, but only when they actually are. He doesn't spell out his personal mistakes or misjudgments, but who does? But since he has won the nomination, he is out of campaign mode and into presidential mode and I fully expect him to own the decisions he makes. But I could be wrong believe it or not. :)

I hope you're right, and yes, Trump has been a more responsible character since the election and I have to believe he'll moderate himself while in office, although he's still tweeting up a storm which can only cause him grief in the future. President Obama was a bit of a whiner - the whole, Republicans won't play nice and are out to get me schtick was nauseating - so I hope President Trump noted that and avoids it.
 
I agree - it's hard for someone who steps down from an important position, whether in politics or business, to completely remove themselves from the conversation. And you're right about the media, because I remember that Bill Clinton was constantly consulted by them about Bush II and they tried to do the same with Bush II related to Obama, but Bush II made it clear right away that his days in politics were over, period. It will be interesting to see if President Obama can resist that temptation or if he'll be drawn back in.

He's a legend in his own mind. I doub't he'll be drawn in. He'll make it very clear that he's always available for consultation and the Liberal media will gladly take him up on his offer.
 
He'll be a happy one, as his presidency will be between two absolutely horrendous GOP presidencies, which in turn will make him look a lot better.
 
16 years is too soon? No way dawg. Plus, I think Michelle Obama would have won this last election if she'd run in place of Hillary. We'll know within 4 years if that's her goal but I don't think it is.

I kind of doubt it. In large part, Trump's election was a repudiation of Obama's policies. Michelle would have had two things going against her. One, her narcissist husband and two, the country is not in the mood for dynasties. However you still have the right to worship her as you wish.
 
LOL! Please cite the data that indicates that to be the case.

No need for data. Just ask Obama. When he was quizzed on why he was campaigning so hard for Hillary, his answer was: "My name is not on the ballot, but my policies are."
 
But, of couse, he actually is a narcissist. Do you understand what that word means?

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others.



That certainly describes Obama

Yawn. Obama didn't do that. Why pretend that he did? What's the point?

You must have slept through all of Obama's first term and half of his second. It was not until the 2014 midterm elections that he stopped blaming Bush for everything that went wrong.
 
Well I'll watch closer, but I haven't seen that trait in him. He is quick to note that this or that was unfair to him, and he is a 'whiner' in that respect, but only when they actually are. He doesn't spell out his personal mistakes or misjudgments, but who does? But since he has won the nomination, he is out of campaign mode and into presidential mode and I fully expect him to own the decisions he makes. But I could be wrong believe it or not. :)

I think that if he honors his major campaign promises, he can be a good president and probably get re-elected. My only suggestion is for him to grow a thicker skin. If he feels the need to respond vigorously on twitter to each and every insult leveled at him or Pence, he will not be effective. I think that the theatre actor who lectured Pence after a performance was an ass. However Pence can take care of himself. He does not need Trump demanding an apology.
 
I'm not seeing the megalomaniac aspect I guess. Confidence is something different I think and he is a confident person, and maybe what I am seeing as a bit narcissistic could be better identified as personal pride in what he has accomplished. That is probably something different too.

Well, in fairness to Obama, we have to say that Trump doesn't advertise his mistakes and missteps either and he probably won't do so as President. But. . .he has been good to learn from them, put them behind him, and push forward to bigger and better things. Obama, unfortunately, doesn't seem to have that capacity.

I agree when you put it that way. Obama has certainly not learned from his mistakes. Take Obamacare for example. he and the democrats for all practical purposes shut the republicans out on having any say in the final bill, passed the bill strictly along party lines, even going as far as bribing moderate democrats in congress with earmarks to go along with it. Then when it led to his party getting shellacked in the 2010 midterms, primarily over Obamacare, while he admitted that Obamacare was a big factor, he ranted: "Let's not refight previous battles." Trump will not make that mistake. I don't think he will sign onto any major bill without some cover (support) from the opposition party.
 
Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others.



That certainly describes Obama

No, not to any rational adult, but it fits your god Trump to a 't'.
You must have slept through all of Obama's first term and half of his second. It was not until the 2014 midterm elections that he stopped blaming Bush for everything that went wrong.

Thanks for admitting you cannot back up your own claim and publicly eating your words.
 
I kind of doubt it. In large part, Trump's election was a repudiation of Obama's policies. Michelle would have had two things going against her. One, her narcissist husband and two, the country is not in the mood for dynasties. However you still have the right to worship her as you wish.

But Obama's approval ratings were very, very good (they are very, very good). 55% in fact with more than 6 months of approval over 50%.

Also, did you really say narcissist husband? My dictionary has a picture of Trump next to "narcissist" and he's the President Elect. Last, I didn't say I "worship" Michelle Obama or even that I like her. Why would you jump to those conclusions? That's very, very presumptive.
 
I think that if he honors his major campaign promises, he can be a good president and probably get re-elected. My only suggestion is for him to grow a thicker skin. If he feels the need to respond vigorously on twitter to each and every insult leveled at him or Pence, he will not be effective. I think that the theatre actor who lectured Pence after a performance was an ass. However Pence can take care of himself. He does not need Trump demanding an apology.

I have mixed emotions on that one and tend to come down on Trump's side. If the leader does not speak up when people attack or wrongly accuse those who answer to him, I have a problem with that. That's a very different thing than defending oneself. I actually wrote Trump and Kellyanne and suggested the Twitter account should be silenced for the duration of the campaign though. :)
 
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