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Do you support those trying to overturn the Electoral Vote count

Do you support those trying overturn the electoral vote count through harassment?

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Sietske22 said:
Several GOP Electors have already stated they will not vote for Trump.

Trump will surely not be getting 290 Electoral votes when they count them all in January.

So far I have contacted around 18 Electors, politely and with respect, urging them to vote for someone other than Trump.
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someone who took the office as a Trump elector who then refuses to vote for trump should be seen as a pariah and treated as such for the rest of their lives.
 
Deuce said:
Liberals have been complaining about the electoral college since the election results, conservatives snickering and saying "that's the system."

If enough electoral college voters decided to swap to Hillary Clinton to actually flip the election, I wonder if they'd keep saying "that's the system."
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The incredible irony of all of this is that in 2012, when it looked like Obama might win the Electoral Vote but lose the Popular Vote, Trump was calling the Electoral College a "disaster" and called for a "revolution".
 
Sietske22 said:
The incredible irony of all of this is that in 2012, when it looked like Obama might win the Electoral Vote but lose the Popular Vote, Trump was calling the Electoral College a "disaster" and called for a "revolution".
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combined with the Irony of Obama fluffers rightfully claiming that the electoral college system was the rule of the land and whining about the EC was sore loser man nonsense
 
11Bravo said:
i support mandatory work camps for those that are doing that harassing. imo this is a free country everyone should be free from being harassed.
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Free countries don't have mandatory work camps though....
 
American said:
.....by harassing the electors with phone calls and emails?

Arizona's presidential electors being harassed, urged not to cast vote for Trump | Fox News

Electoral College electors from Idaho are getting harassed by Trump opponents | Idaho Statesman
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For strict constitutionalists, this should be an acceptable practice... not necessarily the "harassment", but the notion that the electors job is to do what is right for America, sometimes in spite of the actual vote.

The Reason for the Electoral College
Why the Electoral College
Election 2016: The Real Reason the Electoral College Exists

The first reason that the founders created the Electoral College is hard to understand today. The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power. Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers:

"....It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief....."

Was the 2016 election one of those times Is this one of those times when "....a tyrant [could] manipulated public opinion and came to power....?" That is the question now before the electors.
 
upsideguy said:
For strict constitutionalists, this should be an acceptable practice... not necessarily the "harassment", but the notion that the electors job is to do what is right for America, sometimes in spite of the actual vote.

The Reason for the Electoral College
Why the Electoral College
Election 2016: The Real Reason the Electoral College Exists

The first reason that the founders created the Electoral College is hard to understand today. The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power. Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers:

"....It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief....."

Was the 2016 election one of those times Is this one of those times when "....a tyrant [could] manipulated public opinion and came to power....?" That is the question now before the electors.
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Where does The Constitution say that The Constitution should be violated, because someone thinks, at that moment, that it's, "what's right for America"?
 
apdst said:
Where does The Constitution say that The Constitution should be violated, because someone thinks, at that moment, that it's, "what's right for America"?
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I was only trying to educate you (the general you) as to the actual reason the electoral college is a part of the Constitution. So many people on this site want to argue from emotion and an incomplete understanding, so its good to take a step back to really understand.

You will note the Hamilton excerpt from the Federalist Papers, which explains the intent of the EC. The reality is that the electoral college is intended to be an oversight step to prevent the tyranny of the majority, a pervasive concept within the Constitution. The electors do, indeed, have the right (and dare say the responsibility) to challenge the results of the vote to ensure it is right for America.

"....the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice...."

"....A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations...."

So, long answer, the Constitution does indeed give others the right to decide what is right for America.
 
apdst said:
Where does The Constitution say that The Constitution should be violated, because someone thinks, at that moment, that it's, "what's right for America"?
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The electors meeting to choose a Preident for the rest of us isn't a violation of the Constitution. It's precisely what the Constitution requires.
 
Greenbeard said:
The electors meeting to choose a Preident for the rest of us isn't a violation of the Constitution. It's precisely what the Constitution requires.
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I didn't say otherwise.
 
TurtleDude said:
someone who took the office as a Trump elector who then refuses to vote for trump should be seen as a pariah and treated as such for the rest of their lives.
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I guarantee you that when Congress counts the Electoral votes in January, trump will not have 309.

I expect at least 10 Electors will vote for someone else, possibly even 20.
 
Sietske22 said:
I guarantee you that when Congress counts the Electoral votes in January, trump will not have 309.

I expect at least 10 Electors will vote for someone else, possibly even 20.
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they should be jailed if they violate their oaths
 
TurtleDude said:
they should be jailed if they violate their oaths
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I think they can only be fined $1,000. In an election in which reportedly spent 3 Billion it seems one could influence these electors with enough money to make that $1,000 look like chump change.
 
TurtleDude said:
they should be jailed if they violate their oaths
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But they won't be.

At most, they pay a little fine.

I expect at least 10 Electors to violate their "oath".
 
Sietske22 said:
But they won't be.

At most, they pay a little fine.

I expect at least 10 Electors to violate their "oath".
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They should be jailed-or worse. Bubba's bitches for 5 years in the hole. Dishonest people like that we don't need around
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Other.

If all their activities are legal, I support their right to lobby electors into flipping.

If any of them are doing anything illegal, I think those individuals should be stopped immediately and charged appropriately.
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Charged when pigs fly!
 
TurtleDude said:
They should be jailed-or worse. Bubba's bitches for 5 years in the hole. Dishonest people like that we don't need around
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Yes, we read you the first time.

No need to repeat yourself.
 
Crosscheck said:
I think they can only be fined $1,000.
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In theory yes. In practice probably not. States don't have a right to dictate how electors vote, so if any ever actually tried to enforce a faithless elector law we'd likely be able to get those laws thrown out where they exist.
 
Sietske22 said:
Several GOP Electors have already stated they will not vote for Trump.

Trump will surely not be getting 290 Electoral votes when they count them all in January.

So far I have contacted around 18 Electors, politely and with respect, urging them to vote for someone other than Trump.
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Since you asked politely, I am sure they will oblige you.
 
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