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Should criminal illegal aliens should be deported from the US?

Should criminal illegal aliens be sent back to their country?

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chuckiechan said:
It depends on the crime. They should do their time here, then be deported. No sense sending felons to Mexico who will come right back into the USA.
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Then we'll just be sending ex-felons to Mexico who will come right back into the USA. With recidivism rates what they are, what difference does it make?
 
Kreton said:
If they committed crimes deporting isn't the answer. What message does that send? Come to America and do what you want, worst case scenario we'll send you back.
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Aliens who enter U.S. territory without permission and commit crimes once here are subject to punishment for those crimes. After that punishment has been administered, they are then subject to deportation.
 
Cephus said:
Then we'll just be sending ex-felons to Mexico who will come right back into the USA. With recidivism rates what they are, what difference does it make?
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I believe federal laws make it a felony for any alien to re-enter the U.S. after being deported. If the re-entering alien was deported after serving time for a felony committed here, his re-entry is probably an even more serious felony. If not, Congress should make it so--and anyone doing that should be required to serve the full sentence.
 
matchlight said:
Aliens who enter U.S. territory without permission and commit crimes once here are subject to punishment for those crimes. After that punishment has been administered, they are then subject to deportation.
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I agree, but many are promoting deportation without imprisonment to save money.
 
matchlight said:
I believe federal laws make it a felony for any alien to re-enter the U.S. after being deported. If the re-entering alien was deported after serving time for a felony committed here, his re-entry is probably an even more serious felony. If not, Congress should make it so--and anyone doing that should be required to serve the full sentence.
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The issue with some of that is our prisons are preferable to many living conditions they may face in their own countries. As long as American prisons are fairly comfy this won't change.
 
matchlight said:
I believe federal laws make it a felony for any alien to re-enter the U.S. after being deported. If the re-entering alien was deported after serving time for a felony committed here, his re-entry is probably an even more serious felony. If not, Congress should make it so--and anyone doing that should be required to serve the full sentence.
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Which doesn't stop them from doing it. Do you think these people care about the law? They violated it the first time they came here, what makes you think they care about coming back and violating it again?
 
Kreton said:
The issue with some of that is our prisons are preferable to many living conditions they may face in their own countries. As long as American prisons are fairly comfy this won't change.
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That is quite true. In some European countries they are finding that the the refugees from Syria or Afghanistan are quite unimpressed by the by police power, their methods and the prisons. Compared to home they are just plain wet.
 
Kreton said:
The issue with some of that is our prisons are preferable to many living conditions they may face in their own countries. As long as American prisons are fairly comfy this won't change.
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Nothing says that prisons we build here have to be comfortable. As Sheriff Arpaio used to say about the tent camps in the Arizona sun where some prisoners were housed, "You're not supposed to enjoy your time here. If the comforts aren't to your liking, then don't come back."

I was once driving in Baja, and where the highway crested a hill I saw what unmistakably was a prison on the desert floor below. It was roughly a square, and most of the area within the fences around it was open. At each corner was a guard tower. I remember thinking how miserable it must have been, hot as it was that day, for anyone who had to spent much of the day out in the open. I am sure the place had been fairly cheap to construct, because what buildings it contained were fairly small. And yet I think that in such a remote spot, under the eyes of armed guards, no doubt backed up by cameras, it would have been very hard for anyone to make a successful escape.
 
Cephus said:
Which doesn't stop them from doing it. Do you think these people care about the law? They violated it the first time they came here, what makes you think they care about coming back and violating it again?
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I believe criminal laws, if they are well enforced and the penalties they impose severe enough, deter crime. To re-enter a second time after having been imprisoned here and deported, felons who had re-entered once would first have to have gotten out of prison. The law could make it a very long time before they did--if at all.
 
chuckiechan said:
At least here they will do some time.
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And probably live better than they did in their own countries. Putting them in prison is a reward.
 
matchlight said:
I believe criminal laws, if they are well enforced and the penalties they impose severe enough, deter crime. To re-enter a second time after having been imprisoned here and deported, felons who had re-entered once would first have to have gotten out of prison. The law could make it a very long time before they did--if at all.
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But you have to remember that these people are coming from places with a ridiculously low standard of living. Getting 3 meals a day in prison is better than where they came from. Most of our prisons are country clubs. That's why people, even our own people, are fighting to get back into them. We don't actually punish anyone and liberal advocacy groups don't want us to.
 
matchlight said:
Nothing says that prisons we build here have to be comfortable. As Sheriff Arpaio used to say about the tent camps in the Arizona sun where some prisoners were housed, "You're not supposed to enjoy your time here. If the comforts aren't to your liking, then don't come back."

I was once driving in Baja, and where the highway crested a hill I saw what unmistakably was a prison on the desert floor below. It was roughly a square, and most of the area within the fences around it was open. At each corner was a guard tower. I remember thinking how miserable it must have been, hot as it was that day, for anyone who had to spent much of the day out in the open. I am sure the place had been fairly cheap to construct, because what buildings it contained were fairly small. And yet I think that in such a remote spot, under the eyes of armed guards, no doubt backed up by cameras, it would have been very hard for anyone to make a successful escape.
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They may not have to be, but many are.
 
Kreton said:
They may not have to be, but many are.
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The fact we are doing things a certain way does not prevent us from changing course. It's high time for this country's immigration policies to be overhauled. One of Mr. Trump's first acts as President should be, with whatever specific exceptions may be advisable, to stop allowing aliens from predominantly Muslim nations to enter U.S. territory. There should be no concern for whether any Muslim alien approves of that policy. Americans do not need anyone's permission to regulate entry of aliens into the U.S. in any way we see fit.
 
Cephus said:
But you have to remember that these people are coming from places with a ridiculously low standard of living. Getting 3 meals a day in prison is better than where they came from. Most of our prisons are country clubs. That's why people, even our own people, are fighting to get back into them. We don't actually punish anyone and liberal advocacy groups don't want us to.
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That's why they are after Sheriff Arpio's scalp.
 
matchlight said:
The fact we are doing things a certain way does not prevent us from changing course. It's high time for this country's immigration policies to be overhauled. One of Mr. Trump's first acts as President should be, with whatever specific exceptions may be advisable, to stop allowing aliens from predominantly Muslim nations to enter U.S. territory. There should be no concern for whether any Muslim alien approves of that policy. Americans do not need anyone's permission to regulate entry of aliens into the U.S. in any way we see fit.
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Americans should need Americans permission and the majority of Americans don't support banning a religion from entering the United States.
 
d0gbreath said:
The tunnels are already there. I don't think that enough seismometers to guard +2,000 miles would be very cheap. Do they sell those at WalMart?
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Those tunnels are well guarded or kept secret by the drug smugglers on the Mexican side. Now, why would smugglers do that?

Because, my dear genius, they are not stupid to see their investment getting detected and destroyed by the gringos who just might notice an unusually large number of the illegals coming from beneath the surface of the earth.

Which would mean either a tunnel or a miracle.

So, that is why the tunnels are used to smuggle more prescious things, like high payback drugs, rather than the ordinary Latino illegal scum. Just like in Palestine except that there it's the explosives, not drugs.

You see, in Palestine, they don't use tunnels to go to work in Israel or go on welfare. They use them to kill Jews in Israel. See the point, or not yet?

Anyway, how many illegals can crawl through tunnels compared to under or over a low-grade fence?
 
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chuckiechan said:
That's why they are after Sheriff Arpio's scalp.
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In all honesty, while his ideas, at least to start, were okay, his mouth got him into a lot of trouble. He wouldn't be in nearly as much of a mess if he'd just done his job and kept his ideas to himself.
 
Kreton said:
Americans should need Americans permission and the majority of Americans don't support banning a religion from entering the United States.
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I never mentioned excluding anyone purely on the basis of his professed religion. Nothing would prevent us from doing that--the Constitution of the U.S. does not apply to aliens who have not yet entered U.S. territory--but I think it would be an unwise policy. I suggested instead that Mr. Trump decline to admit "aliens from predominantly Muslim nations," while making "whatever specific exceptions may be advisable." In deciding whether to admit any alien, our main concern should always be whether admitting him will in some way help the United States.
 
legalimmigrant said:
Those tunnels are well guarded or kept secret by the drug smugglers on the Mexican side. Now, why would smugglers do that?

Because, my dear genius, they are not stupid to see their investment getting detected and destroyed by the gringos who just might notice an unusually large number of the illegals coming from beneath the surface of the earth.

Which would mean either a tunnel or a miracle.

So, that is why the tunnels are used to smuggle more prescious things, like high payback drugs, rather than the ordinary Latino illegal scum. Just like in Palestine except that there it's the explosives, not drugs.

You see, in Palestine, they don't use tunnels to go to work in Israel or go on welfare. They use them to kill Jews in Israel. See the point, or not yet?

Anyway, how many illegals can crawl through tunnels compared to under or over a low-grade fence?
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I used to work construction with a large number of illegals. They would fly home for Christmas. Then, 4 to a car, they would cross the legal checkpoint on the bridge. Back in the mid '80s each man knew that he had to have $400 dollars on his person. Car stops, American agent (that they know)walks to the driver's window and receives a plain envelope containing $1,600. They are allowed to pass. The agent loves it when he gets a bonus.

Not everyone hates Mexicans. Especially in Texas, where we grew up together.
 
antiquity said:
Since crossing our borders isn't any more of a criminal act than jaywalking...both are a misdemeanor. To make illegal border crossings a criminal act (above a misdemeanor) congress would have to act to make it such.
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Nothing you said changes my post. Illegal Aliens are criminals by definition, anybody who breaks the law is. In genera; a criminal is one who break the law, nothign else is required. There are layers of crimes and different courts etc but they don't impact the definition of criminal.
 
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