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Question For Those Who Really Wanted Hillary To Win

What Did You Learn From Her Loss?

  • Vast right wing conspiracy was effective in wrongly portraying her as a lying dishonest crook

    Votes: 1 3.8%

  • Comey inappropriately influenced the election and should be fired

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Wikieleaks and the Russians doctored hacked emails to influence the election

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • There are more bigots, racists, and deplorables than I thought

    Votes: 5 19.2%

  • All of the above

    Votes: 9 34.6%

  • other (please explain)

    Votes: 11 42.3%
  • Total voters
    26
Moderate Right said:
Oh wow. I get it now. Criticisms against Hillary are not justified but they are against Trump. You are so partisan.
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The definition of "character assassination" doesn't apply to accurate depictions of Trump's own stated positions. You are very misinformed about the meaning of the phrase.
 
Phys251 said:
That the Left plays way, way, way too nice. "When they go low, we go high" failed.
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That was never anything but a crock. Did you see all of Hillary's TV ads? Since when is that going high? They never did go high.
 
Absentglare said:
The definition of "character assassination" doesn't apply to accurate depictions of Trump's own stated positions. You are very misinformed about the meaning of the phrase.
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The left exaggerated and took out of context many things Trump said for partisan advantage. It's not my fault that you think Clinton is a perfect angel. Even many in her own party thought she was a lying dishonest crook.
 
Moderate Right said:
The left exaggerated and took out of context many things Trump said for partisan advantage. It's not my fault that you think Clinton is a perfect angel. Even many in her own party thought she was a lying dishonest crook.
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The distortions about Trump were outweighed by the distortions about Hillary. That is simply my opinion.
 
Moderate Right said:
What did you learn from her loss?
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I learned that the world isn't quite what I thought it was, and that the leaders I thought were kinda/sorta OK in some ways are in fact complete **** and unworthy of my allegiance in any way.

I might have become a democrat, if Sanders was the nominee. Not to mention various down ballot persons I supported who also were not nominated.
But now it's time for the democrats to become me.

Or something like that.
 
Absentglare said:
I learned that character assassination is still the most effective campaign strategy, that many American voters are extremely easy to manipulate, and that lying is rewarded over honesty in politics.
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Lol the irony of this post, I thought it was a joke but it seems like this person believes it. "Honesty in politics"? Really? An honest politician would be considered a unicorn, as in mythical. To mention "Honesty" in anything related to Hillary is the most hilarious thing I have ever read on this website. You can literally sit down for hours watching youtube videos of her repeatedly lying and changing positions according to whichever demographic/group is in front of her.
 
Nap said:
Lol the irony of this post, I thought it was a joke but it seems like this person believes it. "Honesty in politics"? Really? An honest politician would be considered a unicorn, as in mythical. To mention "Honesty" in anything related to Hillary is the most hilarious thing I have ever read on this website. You can literally sit down for hours watching youtube videos of her repeatedly lying and changing positions according to whichever demographic/group is in front of her.
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President-Elect Trump lied about major issues, repeatedly, and even went so far as to double down on one of his many lies when challenged during the debates. Did you watch the debates?
 
Absentglare said:
President-Elect Trump lied about major issues, repeatedly, and even went so far as to double down on one of his many lies when challenged during the debates. Did you watch the debates?
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I never claimed Trump to be honest. I was merely pointing out how funny your comment was. Most of the country see her as a pathological liar so when you post anything about "Honesty in politics " in reference to Hillary you are bound to have people laugh at you.
 
That isn't even counting the hypocrisy of the rest of that statement. Hillary along with the MSM has ran possibly the most successful smear campaign in political history. They manipulated a large portion of the American population to believe Trump said He hates Mexicans and is sexist. Trump's comments were directed at illegals but to hear the MSM and Hillary ads it was a blanket statement against all Mexicans. As far as sexist, the man has a long history of putting females into positions of power in his companies, I doubt a sexist would put much of his business ventures into the hands of a woman.
 
Moderate Right said:
That was never anything but a crock. Did you see all of Hillary's TV ads? Since when is that going high? They never did go high.
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Neither did your boy. Funny how his side now kiss his ass. Behind closed doors they're puking. All just a ploy to get elected. Idiots bought in. Sorta flip flop'in now, isn't he? Enjoy the show. "One and done" !!!!!!!
 
Nap said:
I never claimed Trump to be honest. I was merely pointing out how funny your comment was. Most of the country see her as a pathological liar so when you post anything about "Honesty in politics " in reference to Hillary you are bound to have people laugh at you.
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And your boy isn't a pathological liar?
 
Nap said:
I never claimed Trump to be honest. I was merely pointing out how funny your comment was. Most of the country see her as a pathological liar so when you post anything about "Honesty in politics " in reference to Hillary you are bound to have people laugh at you.
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My argument was that President-Elect Trump lied more frequently, more severely, and on more important issues. It is a relative distinction.
 
Senator Jack said:
And your boy isn't a pathological liar?
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He isn't my boy. I didn't vote him. Am I happy he won rather than Hillary? Of course. Do I trust him and support everything he stands for? No
 
Cardinal said:
Much has been made of the shifting demographics toward minorities, and it has even been said that 2016 will be the last election in which catering to white males will be a successful strategy. What is not discussed however is the tendency of left leaning voters to congregate into already-strong Democratic strongholds, leaving the conservative rural counties as strong as they ever were. If it were really in liberals' interests to be politically stronger, they'd spread out among the urban and rural areas more evenly.
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I can just picture small-town diners and roadside taverns throughout the heartland with Volvos and Priuses interspersed among the pickups parked outside, and the fare now including brioches, lattes, and sushi.
 
Absentglare said:
My argument was that President-Elect Trump lied more frequently, more severely, and on more important issues. It is a relative distinction.
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If you had made that argument that you believed Hillary more than Trump is one thing and I would simply disagree with your opinion. It is entirely a different thing when you reference Hillary as some sort of bastion for "Honesty in politics " that couldn't be farther from the truth.
 
matchlight said:
I can just picture small-town diners and roadside taverns throughout the heartland with Volvos and Priuses interspersed among the pickups parked outside, and the fare now including brioches, lattes, and sushi.
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It sounds like it would be a town with varied and more moderate political views because each side would look at the other and see that they're clearly not monsters.
 
Cardinal said:
I just wrote about this in another thread:
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I think you analyzed it pretty well. Hillary isn't the kind of person that people automatically like. Trump is even though he stretched that to the breaking point with some of his really unacceptable remarks, tweets, etc. during the campaign and when he got out of character and pretended to be the strong man tough guy that was rather off putting to at least people like me.

But Hillary could not run on either her or Obama's record as both resumes are really thin for any kind of positives. And, as you noted, her tactic of running on 'she is the first woman' and 'Trump is deplorable' just wasn't sufficient to make her electable.

Trump made more mistakes than he got things right in his campaign. But in spite of all that, he did offer change and possibilities and a vision of a more prosperous, stronger, safer, and law abiding America that resonated with a whole lot of folks. He was running on making things better or setting things right and not just that he wasn't Hillary.

And we the people, whichever side we were on, will just have to wait to see if he was all talk or if he can deliver. If he doesn't, he's a one term President and the Democrats are in like Flynn in 2020. If he does, he is a two term President and the Dems will have a tough old road to hoe in 2024.
 
Cardinal said:
Much has been made of the shifting demographics toward minorities, and it has even been said that 2016 will be the last election in which catering to white males will be a successful strategy. What is not discussed however is the tendency of left leaning voters to congregate into already-strong Democratic strongholds, leaving the conservative rural counties as strong as they ever were. If it were really in liberals' interests to be politically stronger, they'd spread out among the urban and rural areas more evenly.
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Even with Hillary carrying the minority vote Trump pick up more minority support this time around than was expected and in some cases may have been the difference in some closely contested states.
 
Nap said:
If you had made that argument that you believed Hillary more than Trump is one thing and I would simply disagree with your opinion. It is entirely a different thing when you reference Hillary as some sort of bastion for "Honesty in politics " that couldn't be farther from the truth.
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She cited so many facts on the issues that were accurate. President-Elect Trump did not. Your belief is your own, i formed mine heavily on the debates.
 
Absentglare said:
She cited so many facts on the issues that were accurate. President-Elect Trump did not. Your belief is your own, i formed mine heavily on the debates.
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As I said I take no issue with that, people are going to have their own opinions. I was just making the point that making Hillary out to be some kind of Saint is ridiculous. There is plenty of evidence that she is one of the most deceitful and corrupt politicians in American history.
 
Hard to win a 'change' election when being the establishment candidate.
It's not even wise of insightful to run an establishment candidate in a 'change' election.

Why are some so surprised she lost?
 
Senator Jack said:
Neither did your boy. Funny how his side now kiss his ass. Behind closed doors they're puking. All just a ploy to get elected. Idiots bought in. Sorta flip flop'in now, isn't he? Enjoy the show. "One and done" !!!!!!!
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But that's the whole point. From day one Hillary was going negative. Day one. She NEVER went high, even though her and Michelle tried lying to the American people. If Hillary had not gone negative right out of the gates Trump might not have gone negative either. We'll never know but the reason we will never know is that Hillary went negative from day one and Trump responded to that. If Hillary had run a positive campaign then you could have called Trump out for running a negative campaign if he had but, as I said, we will never know if he would or would not have because he was never given that choice.
 
Cardinal said:
Much has been made of the shifting demographics toward minorities, and it has even been said that 2016 will be the last election in which catering to white males will be a successful strategy. What is not discussed however is the tendency of left leaning voters to congregate into already-strong Democratic strongholds, leaving the conservative rural counties as strong as they ever were. If it were really in liberals' interests to be politically stronger, they'd spread out among the urban and rural areas more evenly.
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The Hillary campaign were over confident, and Dems have been doing that for quite awhile and it has finally caught up with them you know what they say about assume.
 
Carleen said:
The Hillary campaign were over confident, and Dems have been doing that for quite awhile and it has finally caught up with them you know what they say about assume.
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One of Hillary's biggest problems was in not addressing voters concerns with her only message being that surely you don't want Trump to be president.
 
Moderate Right said:
But that's the whole point. From day one Hillary was going negative. Day one. She NEVER went high, even though her and Michelle tried lying to the American people. If Hillary had not gone negative right out of the gates Trump might not have gone negative either. We'll never know but the reason we will never know is that Hillary went negative from day one and Trump responded to that. If Hillary had run a positive campaign then you could have called Trump out for running a negative campaign if he had but, as I said, we will never know if he would or would not have because he was never given that choice.
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I highly doubt that. Say what you want about Trump but his campaign against Hillary was brilliant. Attacking her is what won the election for him. He likely doesn't win the rust belt without pinning NAFTA on Hillary. It also was necessary to tear down her history and experience to cover for his lack of it. The real killer for Hillary was the wikileaks and scandals proving all the "crooked hillary" and "rigged" talk true.
 
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