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Question For Those Who Really Wanted Hillary To Win

What Did You Learn From Her Loss?

  • Vast right wing conspiracy was effective in wrongly portraying her as a lying dishonest crook

    Votes: 1 3.8%

  • Comey inappropriately influenced the election and should be fired

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Wikieleaks and the Russians doctored hacked emails to influence the election

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • There are more bigots, racists, and deplorables than I thought

    Votes: 5 19.2%

  • All of the above

    Votes: 9 34.6%

  • other (please explain)

    Votes: 11 42.3%
  • Total voters
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Moderate Right said:
But didn't Hillary get more votes for president than anyone in history, including Trump?
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I guess so, but the population is constantly growing so that's to be expected in general. The real problem for her was she didn't get out the vote in those usually reliable blue states, what they termed the Democrats firewall. She ignored them in the campaign. She won the popular vote but she didn't win them where she needed to win them. The margins were very small, less than 1.3% of the vote, but Trump won them with the exception of Wisconsin (Michigan?).
 
Cardinal said:
I just wrote about this in another thread:
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2) She insulted her opponent's supporters. As it turns out, people don't like to be insulted.
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Thank you for recognizing that. It amazes me when people say that hate won when Hillary had maligned Trump supporters (c. half the population), Sanders supporters (c. 1/4 of the population), men, stay at home women, trailer park women, and others. IMHO Hillary is the biggest hater in American politics.
 
Eric7216 said:
Thank you for recognizing that. It amazes me when people say that hate won when Hillary had maligned Trump supporters (c. half the population), Sanders supporters (c. 1/4 of the population), men, stay at home women, trailer park women, and others. IMHO Hillary is the biggest hater in American politics.
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Trump insulted nearly everyone who wasn't a white male, yet it didn't seem to affect his vote. Well actually it did, he didn't win the popular vote. Only the 5th time that has ever happened in 45 elections. I don't think that hurt Clinton much. She just didn't get out her own vote in certain states. Lack of excitement is what killed her.
 
Moderate Right said:
What did you learn from her loss?
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too bad you made the poll anonymous. IT would be interesting to see who blames the Lying Bitch's election loss on things other than the fact Hillary sucked to the roots as a candidate
 
Russell797 said:
Trump insulted nearly everyone who wasn't a white male, yet it didn't seem to affect his vote. Well actually it did, he didn't win the popular vote. Only the 5th time that has ever happened in 45 elections. I don't think that hurt Clinton much. She just didn't get out her own vote in certain states. Lack of excitement is what killed her.
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\Sore loserman nonsense doesnt cut it nor does the popular vote

Who did trump really insult versus who did Hillary try to convince that he did?

all "retards"

all "cripplies"

all of those who are disabled?

all "Latinos"

none of the above but if you watch all those idiotic ads from Priorities USA you would think that Trump declared Jihad against everyone with AUTISM, Cancer, hispanic blood or female
 
Moderate Right said:
What did you learn from her loss?
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I learned that character assassination is still the most effective campaign strategy, that many American voters are extremely easy to manipulate, and that lying is rewarded over honesty in politics.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
You left out the most important choice.

Her actions and her action alone caused her loss. If she had not set up the secret e-mail server and then put highly classified material on it and then lied over and over about it.
The Right wing, Comey, The Russians, The Deplorables, Wikileaks, Racists or Bigots did not cause her to lose. She did it to her self by using extremely terrible judgement over and over!
The blame is on one person Hillary Clinton. If not for her bad judgement this would not of happened.
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I blame the democratic party establishment as well - they played a significant role in her loss.

Not least of which was supporting her candidacy in the first place.
 
Kreton said:
I voted "There are more bigots, racists, and deplorables than I thought"

I do not see how anyone could vote for or support Trump and claim that they are not racist/sexist/bigot. I know many will deny it, but if you believe the trash he spews about women and minorities and other cultures then you are. At least be like Trump and be open about it.
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You keep thinking like that, and my side will continue to win state, local, and some presidential elections

I love how people on your side think....I really do

For supposedly the intelligent educated voters, you guys sure don't think like it at times
 
MaggieD said:
Character assassination doesn't always work. I know MUCH more about Trump's positions than I ever learned about Clinton's. And learned about HIS through Clinton's ridicule of them.

Big mistake.
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There were multiple factors that, by themselves, might have only caused the race to be close.

But combined...

Clinton seeming like a robot being poorly directed from somewhere off camera at times. If she had made even a few comments that made it seem she was alive and gave a ****, it might have helped.

Running on "more of the same" when a large number of people thought the status quo ranged from barely acceptable to downright terrible.

Running against Trump rather than running for the presidency, especially later in the campaign.

Somehow thinking that lying about things that you could be proven wrong on was a good idea (Maybe because Trump seemed able to get away with it? No, probably not...). It wasn't even the email thing, I think, so much as the email thing confirmed for many people the literal decades of her being accused of lying

For myself, and I expect many other persons who were Sanders supporters, appearing to try and sell lite versions of his policy ideas to his supporters - After seeing this, I basically was thinking her pitch boiled down to "well this is the best you'll get, and since I'm probably lying about some if not all of this, you won't get anything".
 
Absentglare said:
I learned that character assassination is still the most effective campaign strategy, that many American voters are extremely easy to manipulate, and that lying is rewarded over honesty in politics.
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and MORE OF HILLARY and her attack weasels) (Priorities USA), advertisements were negative compared to Trump's. WE had the whining black kid claiming because he had Cancer Trump hated him. WE had the mother of the Autistic child boohooing that her kid was't "welcome in Trump's America" we had a bunch of girls apparently upset that Trump called a beauty queen a "pig", he had some guy stationed at an ICBM caterwauling that Trump might nuke Little Rock etc, we had some general (not many of them backed Hillary) complaining that Trump said he knew more than The generals did about ISIS. The one positive ad we had from the lying bitch was her claim that her entire life was about children. Hilarious

Trump had a theme-make America Great again. Hillary had a theme-Trump is going to call everyone who considered themselves fat, ugly, flat chested, autistic, disabled, "retarded" hispanic or an illegal alien names. Not much of a reason to vote for hillary
 
Russell797 said:
Trump insulted nearly everyone who wasn't a white male, yet it didn't seem to affect his vote. Well actually it did, he didn't win the popular vote. Only the 5th time that has ever happened in 45 elections. I don't think that hurt Clinton much. She just didn't get out her own vote in certain states. Lack of excitement is what killed her.
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Oh, he insulted tons of white males as well.
It is just that he didn't normally insult groups, but specific individuals. There is nothing wrong with insulting individuals. It is hatred at groups simply for being a member of that group (due to uncontrollable things like race, gender, age, etc.), that is the problem and leads to hate.
 
TurtleDude said:
and MORE OF HILLARY and her attack weasels) (Priorities USA), advertisements were negative compared to Trump's. WE had the whining black kid claiming because he had Cancer Trump hated him. WE had the mother of the Autistic child boohooing that her kid was't "welcome in Trump's America" we had a bunch of girls apparently upset that Trump called a beauty queen a "pig", he had some guy stationed at an ICBM caterwauling that Trump might nuke Little Rock etc, we had some general (not many of them backed Hillary) complaining that Trump said he knew more than The generals did about ISIS. The one positive ad we had from the lying bitch was her claim that her entire life was about children. Hilarious

Trump had a theme-make America Great again. Hillary had a theme-Trump is going to call everyone who considered themselves fat, ugly, flat chested, autistic, disabled, "retarded" hispanic or an illegal alien names. Not much of a reason to vote for hillary
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Oh i see the problem. You don't understand what character assassination is. When Trump's campaign promises are depicted, that's not character assassination.

char·ac·ter as·sas·si·na·tion
noun
noun: character assassination; plural noun: character assassinations
the malicious and unjustified harming of a person's good reputation.
 
Russell797 said:
I guess so, but the population is constantly growing so that's to be expected in general. The real problem for her was she didn't get out the vote in those usually reliable blue states, what they termed the Democrats firewall. She ignored them in the campaign. She won the popular vote but she didn't win them where she needed to win them. The margins were very small, less than 1.3% of the vote, but Trump won them with the exception of Wisconsin (Michigan?).
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They didn't get out the vote because these people didn't want to vote for Hillary. There were also lots on the other side who didn't go out to vote because they didn't like Trump.
 
Absentglare said:
I learned that character assassination is still the most effective campaign strategy, that many American voters are extremely easy to manipulate, and that lying is rewarded over honesty in politics.
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Whoah there. Character assassination? Hillary was the queen of character assassination. Didn't you see any Hillary Clinton ads on TV or watch the news?
 
Cardinal said:
Much has been made of the shifting demographics toward minorities, and it has even been said that 2016 will be the last election in which catering to white males will be a successful strategy. What is not discussed however is the tendency of left leaning voters to congregate into already-strong Democratic strongholds, leaving the conservative rural counties as strong as they ever were. If it were really in liberals' interests to be politically stronger, they'd spread out among the urban and rural areas more evenly.
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That's a good point. I hadn't thought about that aspect.
 
MaggieD said:
Character assassination doesn't always work. I know MUCH more about Trump's positions than I ever learned about Clinton's. And learned about HIS through Clinton's ridicule of them.

Big mistake.
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Right. Plus, it seemed to me that half her positions were things she took on only because Bernie's popularity in the primaries forced her to, i.e. student loan debt, etc. I never felt that she was all that gung-ho about them, and presumed those issues would be conveniently forgotten after she took office.
 
gdgyva said:
You keep thinking like that, and my side will continue to win state, local, and some presidential elections

I love how people on your side think....I really do

For supposedly the intelligent educated voters, you guys sure don't think like it at times
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It is simple. If you are agree with the racist bigoted comments Trump makes than you are a racist. Just because there are a lot of ignorant people in the US isn't something to be proud of.

You can talk about your side "winning" but in the last 3 election cycles it has happened once. Hell in the last 7 elections a Republican has won the popular vote a grand total of 1 time. 1. The fact is your parties numbers are dwindling. Every year independent and 3rd party support grows, Republicans shrink and democrats stay about the same. The devisive Trump and his hate filled policies will be thrown in the face of future republicans for years. So celebrate winning the electoral college while losing the popular vote again. But your racist party will get weaker and eventually not even the electoral college will be able to help you.
 
Kreton said:
It is simple. If you are agree with the racist bigoted comments Trump makes than you are a racist. Just because there are a lot of ignorant people in the US isn't something to be proud of.

You can talk about your side "winning" but in the last 3 election cycles it has happened once. Hell in the last 7 elections a Republican has won the popular vote a grand total of 1 time. 1. The fact is your parties numbers are dwindling. Every year independent and 3rd party support grows, Republicans shrink and democrats stay about the same. The devisive Trump and his hate filled policies will be thrown in the face of future republicans for years. So celebrate winning the electoral college while losing the popular vote again. But your racist party will get weaker and eventually not even the electoral college will be able to help you.
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Sour grapes. You never really addressed gdgyva's points. All you have done is call everyone who voted for Trump a racist. I guess that includes those in the blue states who voted for Trump instead of Hillary. Nice way to try and get them to change their minds for the next election. Just because someone voted for Trump does not mean they are racist and they don't appreciate being called one. Have you ever heard of voting for the lesser of two evils? Many voted for Trump because they believed him to be the lesser of two evils.
 
Moderate Right said:
Sour grapes. You never really addressed gdgyva's points. All you have done is call everyone who voted for Trump a racist. I guess that includes those in the blue states who voted for Trump instead of Hillary. Nice way to try and get them to change their minds for the next election. Just because someone voted for Trump does not mean they are racist and they don't appreciate being called one. Have you ever heard of voting for the lesser of two evils? Many voted for Trump because they believed him to be the lesser of two evils.
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Its not sour grapes. The candidate I voted for was never going to win.

That doesn't change the fact that if you personally select an open racist and sexist to lead our country then you obviously agree with him.
 
Moderate Right said:
Whoah there. Character assassination? Hillary was the queen of character assassination. Didn't you see any Hillary Clinton ads on TV or watch the news?
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Hillary aired Trump's campaign statements. That criticism is not described as unjustified.
 
Kreton said:
Its not sour grapes. The candidate I voted for was never going to win.

That doesn't change the fact that if you personally select an open racist and sexist to lead our country then you obviously agree with him.
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I didn't vote for Trump either, so you are wrong! I voted for John Kasich.
 
Absentglare said:
Hillary aired Trump's campaign statements. That criticism is not described as unjustified.
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Oh wow. I get it now. Criticisms against Hillary are not justified but they are against Trump. You are so partisan.
 
Moderate Right said:
I didn't vote for Trump either, so you are wrong! I voted for John Kasich.
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Sorry I meant more of a general "you". I was a big Kasich fan in the primaries. Of all the primary candidates on each side he was the best option. He was one of the few R or D candidates I have ever really supported.
 
Russell797 said:
What I learned is what I already knew. If the Democratic vote is suppressed or limited for any reason they can not win. They have the numbers, they even win the popular vote for heaven sake, but they can not win if their strong holds do not get out and vote. The silent majority will lose most of the time.
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How was the democratic vote suppressed or limited in this election? Does this mean the republican vote was not suppressed or limited?
 
Moderate Right said:
What did you learn from her loss?
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That the Left plays way, way, way too nice. "When they go low, we go high" failed. But I don't think we're going to make the same mistake twice. 2017 is coming.

Also, there needs to be a LOT more dialogue--not shouting, but real, live dialogue--between people of many different economic and ethnic backgrounds. We need to stop living in bubbles.
 
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