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Who would you vote for?

Who would you vote for? (See below)

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 9 45.0%

  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 2 10.0%

  • Gary Johnson

    Votes: 6 30.0%

  • Jill Stein

    Votes: 3 15.0%
  • Total voters
    20
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Assumption: All 4 candidates for President (Trump, Hillary, Johnson, Stein) are tied with the exact same number of votes. You are the last person in the US to vote. Who do you vote for?

Keep in mind, for the purposes of this poll, your vote cannot be a wasted vote since you won't be pulling votes from any candidate. It is also assumed that you vote wins both the popular and electoral votes.

Your votes do not show, so feel free to vote and not comment.
 
Well, let's see...


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None of them. I don't agree with any of them, period. However, sometimes you have to be pragmatic and I voted for Trump, just to keep Clinton out of the White House. Good thing it worked too.
 
Cephus said:
None of them. I don't agree with any of them, period. However, sometimes you have to be pragmatic and I voted for Trump, just to keep Clinton out of the White House. Good thing it worked too.
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So you are saying that you feel Trump is the better choice over Stein or Johnson?
 
maquiscat said:
Assumption: All 4 candidates for President (Trump, Hillary, Johnson, Stein) are tied with the exact same number of votes. You are the last person in the US to vote. Who do you vote for?

Keep in mind, for the purposes of this poll, your vote cannot be a wasted vote since you won't be pulling votes from any candidate. It is also assumed that you vote wins both the popular and electoral votes.

Your votes do not show, so feel free to vote and not comment.
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Dude, Trump won. What is the purpose of this silly exercise?
 
countryboy said:
Dude, Trump won. What is the purpose of this silly exercise?
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This is a discussion group. Do you have something to contribute to the discussion.
 
maquiscat said:
So you are saying that you feel Trump is the better choice over Stein or Johnson?
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He was the only other electable choice. I think both Stein and Johnson were crap choices as well, there was no good alternative in this election.
 
countryboy said:
Dude, Trump won. What is the purpose of this silly exercise?
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There are many people who, while preferring Stein or Johnson, voted either Trump or Hillary because of the "wasted vote" concept. I am conducting a formal survey to see how many people would actually prefer a third party candidate regardless of their actual vote.
 
Cephus said:
He was the only other electable choice. I think both Stein and Johnson were crap choices as well, there was no good alternative in this election.
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That's fine. If you honestly feel out of all four that Trump was the best of the lot, that is what I am looking for. But the way you worded your original statement, about keeping Clinton out of the office, for the excercise, both Stein and Johnson would also be valid choices. That's why I worded the exercise as I did. I wanted to see who was the actual preferred, not who got voted for because they thought that candidate could win.
 
Granted only nine votes so far, but I am finding it rather interesting that no one has voted for Hillary. Makes me wonder how much she was actually supported and how much he was just considered the only possible counter to Trump?
 
maquiscat said:
Assumption: All 4 candidates for President (Trump, Hillary, Johnson, Stein) are tied with the exact same number of votes. You are the last person in the US to vote. Who do you vote for?

Keep in mind, for the purposes of this poll, your vote cannot be a wasted vote since you won't be pulling votes from any candidate. It is also assumed that you vote wins both the popular and electoral votes.

Your votes do not show, so feel free to vote and not comment.
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For me, the choice would come down between Trump and Johnson.

Johnson is tempting. I lean somewhat libertarian on a large number of issues, and even where I disagree with the LP platform I tend to be more comfortable with the idea of too much freedom vs too much government. However, Johnson's and the LP's foreign policy and border policy worry me a great deal... a case of letting absolutist principles overrun the vital interests of the nation. While I think our current policy is too interventionist, I think LP "hands off" policy is too passive to deal with the threats of the modern world. Too Chamberlain, not enough Churchill.

Trump is a bit of a loose cannon... but if he does half of what he says he intends to do, the benefits to the nation could be great indeed. He's more authoritarian than I care for but so has been the case for every POTUS of the past 25 years... executive rule-by-EO has become the norm. I don't like it, but it is what it is.

When all is said and done, I think I'd have to come down on the side of pragmatism and vote Trump.
 
maquiscat said:
There are many people who, while preferring Stein or Johnson, voted either Trump or Hillary because of the "wasted vote" concept. I am conducting a formal survey to see how many people would actually prefer a third party candidate regardless of their actual vote.
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I guess that's fine but it really serves no useful purpose. Stein & Johnson never had a chance and never will have a chance, ever. If we are discussing Wild hypotheticals, why not simply ask who everyone would have preferred?
 
maquiscat said:
That's fine. If you honestly feel out of all four that Trump was the best of the lot, that is what I am looking for. But the way you worded your original statement, about keeping Clinton out of the office, for the excercise, both Stein and Johnson would also be valid choices. That's why I worded the exercise as I did. I wanted to see who was the actual preferred, not who got voted for because they thought that candidate could win.
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Slow down and listen to what was said. Trump was the only electable choice. Johnson and Stein, as I predicted, got terrible results. If they can't do better in this election, it's time for the whole Libertarian Party to pack it in. They're all utter and pathetic failures and we all knew that it would happen. Of course, we also knew that libertarians would make every excuse in the book for why their guy screwed the pooch once again. See, even if a bunch of Trump voters had voted for Johnson, who would be in the White House? Not Gary Johnson, but Hillary Clinton! And our job was to keep that pantsuited bitch out of office, so we would have failed. Just like Gary Johnson supporters did.
 
maquiscat said:
There are many people who, while preferring Stein or Johnson, voted either Trump or Hillary because of the "wasted vote" concept. I am conducting a formal survey to see how many people would actually prefer a third party candidate regardless of their actual vote.
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It's always an excuse with you people. For almost 50 years, you people have been losing pathetically and making excuses for it. You simply can't accept the truth, that the libertarian platform does not and will never resonate with the American people. You've lost, once again, and everyone but you knew that you would. What was that definition of insanity again?
 
countryboy said:
I guess that's fine but it really serves no useful purpose. Stein & Johnson never had a chance and never will have a chance, ever. If we are discussing Wild hypotheticals, why not simply ask who everyone would have preferred?
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I am not so sure about that never will have a chance bit. This year saw triple the number of vote for the Libertarian candidate than their average. I think we are seeing this country starting to get tired of these two parties not really thinking about the people and only about themselves.
 
Cephus said:
Slow down and listen to what was said. Trump was the only electable choice. Johnson and Stein, as I predicted, got terrible results. If they can't do better in this election, it's time for the whole Libertarian Party to pack it in. They're all utter and pathetic failures and we all knew that it would happen. Of course, we also knew that libertarians would make every excuse in the book for why their guy screwed the pooch once again. See, even if a bunch of Trump voters had voted for Johnson, who would be in the White House? Not Gary Johnson, but Hillary Clinton! And our job was to keep that pantsuited bitch out of office, so we would have failed. Just like Gary Johnson supporters did.
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Here is the problem with your assessment. You are supposing that the only ones who would have rather have voted for Johnson gave their vote to Trump. Don't you think that there were also plenty of people who would rather have had Johnson but instead voted Hillary? But if you want to talk about who failed to keep that pantsuited bitch away from the office, let's start a little closer to home with those who let her get the nomination over Bernie.

Debunking Hillary's Specious "Winning the Popular Vote" Claim | The Huffington Post
 
maquiscat said:
Assumption: All 4 candidates for President (Trump, Hillary, Johnson, Stein) are tied with the exact same number of votes. You are the last person in the US to vote. Who do you vote for?

Keep in mind, for the purposes of this poll, your vote cannot be a wasted vote since you won't be pulling votes from any candidate. It is also assumed that you vote wins both the popular and electoral votes.

Your votes do not show, so feel free to vote and not comment.
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Myself, I would vote for the same person I voted for in the real election. Gary Johnson, I still detest both Trump and Clinton, that hasn't changed.
 
maquiscat said:
Granted only nine votes so far, but I am finding it rather interesting that no one has voted for Hillary. Makes me wonder how much she was actually supported and how much he was just considered the only possible counter to Trump?
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I voted for Hillary because she is the Democrat and I vote for policy not the person. I would vote for the Dem no matter who it was. My second choice would be Jill Stein on that list though.
 
Sadly, Trump is the only viable person on the list. The communist, the pothead, and the crook all tied for second. The more I look at it the sadder the list gets.
 
Jill Stein without question. The only candidate who cares about the little guy.
 
natsb said:
Sadly, Trump is the only viable person on the list. The communist, the pothead, and the crook all tied for second. The more I look at it the sadder the list gets.
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"Pothead" is more amiable than "MORON".
 
maquiscat said:
Granted only nine votes so far, but I am finding it rather interesting that no one has voted for Hillary. Makes me wonder how much she was actually supported and how much he was just considered the only possible counter to Trump?
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Hillary wasn't enthusiastically supported by most of us who voted for her. It was a choice between her and Trump, which wasn't much of a choice.

In your poll I voted for Jill Stein because well, if Trump can be President, she's just as capable.
 
maquiscat said:
Here is the problem with your assessment. You are supposing that the only ones who would have rather have voted for Johnson gave their vote to Trump. Don't you think that there were also plenty of people who would rather have had Johnson but instead voted Hillary? But if you want to talk about who failed to keep that pantsuited bitch away from the office, let's start a little closer to home with those who let her get the nomination over Bernie.

Debunking Hillary's Specious "Winning the Popular Vote" Claim | The Huffington Post
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Regardless, Johnson didn't have enough popular support to actually win. That's not going to change, no matter how many crazy conspiracy theories you spin. And Bernie wouldn't have won either. Given a fight between the two most voted for candidates, Trump won, Hillary lost and Johnson and Stein weren't even in the running, just like everyone with half a clue knew they wouldn't be. In fact, this is an even bigger condemnation of libertarianism than ever before. If Johnson did this piss poorly during an election where everyone hated the frontrunners, what does that say about your asinine political philosophy?
 
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