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If Hillary Were To Step Down Before the Election, Who Would You Vote For?

If Hillary Were To Step Down Before the Election, Who Would You Vote For?

  • Tim Kaine

    Votes: 15 26.8%

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 13 23.2%

  • Gary Johnson

    Votes: 14 25.0%

  • Jill Stein

    Votes: 6 10.7%

  • Other

    Votes: 8 14.3%
  • Total voters
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Cardinal said:
Nobody in my geographic, economic and social bubble were Trump supporters anyway, so speaking from IRL experience isn't possible. But to make an observation about people on the internet, Trump supporters were never very nice people to begin with. On this site at least, the nastiest, most ignorant most partisan individuals flooded over to Trump right at the beginning.
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Head over to Breitbart, and click on ANY article that's related to black people (specifically the rights obsession with black crime).

The comment section should tell you something about a significant portion of Trump's followers.
 
StarWarsBob said:
There are always some Democrats voting for the Republican candidate, and some Republicans voting for the Democratic candidate, but it's always in the low numbers. Ronald Reagan was the only exception to that trend, and Donald Trump is no Ronald Reagan. In 2012, 7% of Democrats voted for Romney, and 6% of registered Republicans voted for Obama. In 2008, 10% of Democrats voted for McCain (I was one of them), and 9% of Republicans voted for Obama. There are always cross over voters, but there is absolutely no reason for Democrats to vote for Trump. In 1984, 26% of Democrats voted for Reagan, and that will NEVER happen again.
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Sure there are many reasons to vote for Trump. Donald Trump was a liberal Democrat for years, many more years than he has called himself a Republican. Funny how you guys keep on rubbing it in his face about his first statement regarding the Iraq war but fail to give him any credit at all for all the liberal statements he has made over the decades on many issues. Many Democrats understand that Hillary is lying dishonest crook. Many Democrats also want someone who is not establishment and why many Democratic voters voted for Bernie. Speaking of Bernie, there are a percentage of his supporters who are upset that Hillary and her establishment cronies really did rig the primaries against Bernie. I see you conveniently and completely sidestepped the fact that Hillary and her establishment cronies such as DWS and Donna Brazille (just to name two drops in the bucket) did, in fact, rig the primaries in her favor.
 
Moderate Right said:
Sure there are many reasons to vote for Trump. Donald Trump was a liberal Democrat for years, many more years than he has called himself a Republican. Funny how you guys keep on rubbing it in his face about his first statement regarding the Iraq war but fail to give him any credit at all for all the liberal statements he has made over the decades on many issues. Many Democrats understand that Hillary is lying dishonest crook. Many Democrats also want someone who is not establishment and why many Democratic voters voted for Bernie. Speaking of Bernie, there are a percentage of his supporters who are upset that Hillary and her establishment cronies really did rig the primaries against Bernie. I see you conveniently and completely sidestepped the fact that Hillary and her establishment cronies such as DWS and Donna Brazille (just to name two drops in the bucket) did, in fact, rig the primaries in her favor.
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There is no evidenced that the 2016 Democratic primaries were rigged, while there is compelling evidence that the 2008 primaries were rigged by Republicans voting for Obama just to keep Hillary out. I can produce that evidence, and that evidence is in the voting results in Virginia and North Carolina. Where's your evidence?
 
StarWarsBob said:
There is no evidenced that the 2016 Democratic primaries were rigged, while there is compelling evidence that the 2008 primaries were rigged by Republicans voting for Obama just to keep Hillary out. I can produce that evidence, and that evidence is in the voting results in Virginia and North Carolina. Where's your evidence?
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You have personal opinions and opinions only (no evidence) on a voting process that was completely legal and many Democrats have voted across party lines in the primaries in order to help get Trump elected as the Republican nominee this year (which was also legal). What we do have is DWS, Donna Brazille and others paying the price for their roles in rigging the primaries in favor of Hillary. That goes way beyond voters in both parties trying to influence elections by legally voting in the other's primaries. We also have the Black Panthers standing outside voting places in 2008, intimidating voters against voting for McCain (he would have lost anyway) but Obama's DOJ refused to press charges against them and now Democrats are crying foul that Trump supporters want to "monitor" voting places.
 
Moderate Right said:
You have personal opinions and opinions only (no evidence) on a voting process that was completely legal and many Democrats have voted across party lines in the primaries in order to help get Trump elected as the Republican nominee this year (which was also legal). What we do have is DWS, Donna Brazille and others paying the price for their roles in rigging the primaries in favor of Hillary. That goes way beyond voters in both parties trying to influence elections by legally voting in the other's primaries. We also have the Black Panthers standing outside voting places in 2008, intimidating voters against voting for McCain (he would have lost anyway) but Obama's DOJ refused to press charges against them and now Democrats are crying foul that Trump supporters want to "monitor" voting places.
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I don't argue that the process was completely legal. My point is that 1.8 million Republicans voted for Obama in the open primaries in red states in 2008. The Republicans rigged the Democratic primary process, giving Obama the win. Hillary should have won, as she clearly won 9 out of the 10 top blue states. The only top 10 blue state she didn't win was Obama's home state of Illinois. I can't help but to think that the Democrats might have helped Trump to win in those same open-primary states. Just look at North Carolina, a solid red state, where all the Republican candidates combined got 503,987 votes, and Obama got 887,391 votes, and Hillary got 657,669 votes.
Election Center 2008: Primary Results - Elections & Politics news from CNN.com
North Carolina doesn't even have one million registered Democrats, no less 1.545 million.
The exact same thing happened in Virginia, another solid red state that had carried every election for the Republican in every election since 1964.
Election Center 2008: Primary Results - Elections & Politics news from CNN.com
 
StarWarsBob said:
I don't argue that the process was completely legal. My point is that 1.8 million Republicans voted for Obama in the open primaries in red states in 2008. The Republicans rigged the Democratic primary process, giving Obama the win. Hillary should have won, as she clearly won 9 out of the 10 top blue states. The only top 10 blue state she didn't win was Obama's home state of Illinois. I can't help but to think that the Democrats might have helped Trump to win in those same open-primary states. Just look at North Carolina, a solid red state, where all the Republican candidates combined got 503,987 votes, and Obama got 887,391 votes, and Hillary got 657,669 votes.
Election Center 2008: Primary Results - Elections & Politics news from CNN.com
North Carolina doesn't even have one million registered Democrats, no less 1.545 million.
The exact same thing happened in Virginia, another solid red state that had carried every election for the Republican in every election since 1964.
Election Center 2008: Primary Results - Elections & Politics news from CNN.com
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And we're still totally ignoring the fact that DWS, Brazille, and others really did rig the primaries for Clinton. We're not even talking about Republicans here. Their rigging of the primaries didn't have one thing to do with Republicans!
 
Moderate Right said:
And we're still totally ignoring the fact that DWS, Brazille, and others really did rig the primaries for Clinton. We're not even talking about Republicans here. Their rigging of the primaries didn't have one thing to do with Republicans!
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You have yet to explain exactly HOW Donna Brazille or anyone else rigged the Democratic primaries. Remember that each state, red or blue, is responsible for the integrity of federal elections. It is the responsibility of the Secretary of State to guarantee a free and fair election, and to detect and prosecute voter fraud if any is found. I have heard of no investigations by attorneys general in any state on Democratic primary voter fraud or election rigging.
 
StarWarsBob said:
You have yet to explain exactly HOW Donna Brazille or anyone else rigged the Democratic primaries. Remember that each state, red or blue, is responsible for the integrity of federal elections. It is the responsibility of the Secretary of State to guarantee a free and fair election, and to detect and prosecute voter fraud if any is found. I have heard of no investigations by attorneys general in any state on Democratic primary voter fraud or election rigging.
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That's a lot of double talk and denial. I don't have to tell you about Donna Brazille. You already know. Everybody knows. Denying and justifying her actions through deflections of who is in charge of voting integrity won't change that. She did what she did. So did the others, such as DWS.
 
Moderate Right said:
That's a lot of double talk and denial. I don't have to tell you about Donna Brazille. You already know. Everybody knows. Denying and justifying her actions through deflections of who is in charge of voting integrity won't change that. She did what she did. So did the others, such as DWS.
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Your continuing with this idea is ridiculous. It's just like the Republican party that pass voter id laws in 34 mostly red states to prevent supposed "voter fraud" when it doesn't exist. The amount of voter fraud detected by Republican Secretaries of State has been proven to be insignificant yet Republican propagandists still claim massive voter fraud throughout the country.

i suppose when Trump loses next Tuesday by the largest margin of any Republican Presidential defeat in the last 52 years that you'll claim that the election was rigged?
 
If Hillary Were To Step Down Before the Election, Who Would You Vote For?
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the NotTrump with the greatest chance of winning, pretty much as it stands currently.
 
StarWarsBob said:
Your continuing with this idea is ridiculous. It's just like the Republican party that pass voter id laws in 34 mostly red states to prevent supposed "voter fraud" when it doesn't exist. The amount of voter fraud detected by Republican Secretaries of State has been proven to be insignificant yet Republican propagandists still claim massive voter fraud throughout the country.

i suppose when Trump loses next Tuesday by the largest margin of any Republican Presidential defeat in the last 52 years that you'll claim that the election was rigged?
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Every deflection you come up with just proves more and more that Hillary & co. did in fact rig the primaries, even in your mind.
 
Moderate Right said:
Every deflection you come up with just proves more and more that Hillary & co. did in fact rig the primaries, even in your mind.
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Not hardly. Why would the ONE AMERICAN in the history of this nation, who received MORE VOTES for the nomination for President than ANYONE have to resort to rigging primaries? Your tainted logic makes no sense. NOBODY has received more votes for the nomination for President than Hillary Clinton. That was in 2008 when she received 17.8 million votes.
 
StarWarsBob said:
Not hardly. Why would the ONE AMERICAN in the history of this nation, who received MORE VOTES for the nomination for President than ANYONE have to resort to rigging primaries? Your tainted logic makes no sense. NOBODY has received more votes for the nomination for President than Hillary Clinton. That was in 2008 when she received 17.8 million votes.
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Wow. That is just incredible. Democrats rig the primaries to coronate Clinton and when she wins the primaries you claim that that is proof that they were not rigged. Even Bernie said they were rigged during the primaries (so did the other candidates), although he has turned turncoat after he lost because he feels it is more important for the rigger to be president than Trump. We aren't even talking about a vast right wing conspiracy here. Republicans didn't get DWS to rig the primaries. Republicans didn't get Donna Brazille to pass debate questions on to Clinton. It was a Clinton operative mole who infiltrated Bernie's campaign and got Bernie in trouble for looking at Clinton's voting base records. It was Bernie who had to threaten a lawsuit to the DNC for not allowing him access to the voting base. It was the Democrats themselves who demoted DWS and it was the liberal CNN who fired Donna Brazille, not the Republicans. I have no idea why you can't just admit that the primaries were rigged. Everyone else knows it. Only the blindly partisan deny that the fix was in. Just because there is no way to tell if Hillary would have still won or not if the primaries weren't rigged doesn't change the fact that they were indeed rigged.
 
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Moderate Right said:
Wow. That is just incredible. Democrats rig the primaries to coronate Clinton and when she wins the primaries you claim that that is proof that they were not rigged. Even Bernie said they were rigged during the primaries (so did the other candidates), although he has turned turncoat after he lost because he feels it is more important for the rigger to be president than Trump. We aren't even talking about a vast right wing conspiracy here. Republicans didn't get DWS to rig the primaries. Republicans didn't get Donna Brazille to pass debate questions on to Clinton. It was a Clinton operative mole who infiltrated Bernie's campaign and got Bernie in trouble for looking at Clinton's voting base records. It was Bernie who had to threaten a lawsuit to the DNC for not allowing him access to the voting base. It was the Democrats themselves who demoted DWS and it was the liberal CNN who fired Donna Brazille, not the Republicans. I have no idea why you can't just admit that the primaries were rigged. Everyone else knows it. Only the blindly partisan deny that the fix was in. Just because there is no way to tell if Hillary would have still won or not if the primaries weren't rigged doesn't change the fact that they were indeed rigged.
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lol

Ohhh I get it now. You're one of those Bernie Sanders supporters? You can't be serious.

I'm reminded of those poor foolish young Ralph Nader supporters in Florida in 2000 that kept chanting "There's no difference between Al Gore and George Bush". That's their ridiculous reasoning for voting for Ralph Nader. Nader gets 95,000 votes with no chance of winning anything, and Gore loses the election to Bush by 534 votes after the recount was stopped by the Supreme Court. Do you think those Nader supporters from the Green party figured out their error when Gore went on to win the Nobel Peace prize with his work on environmental issues, and Bush went on to start an unnecessary war in Iraq based on false and fixed intelligence, giving the world Isis today.
 
StarWarsBob said:
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Ohhh I get it now. You're one of those Bernie Sanders supporters? You can't be serious.

I'm reminded of those poor foolish young Ralph Nader supporters in Florida in 2000 that kept chanting "There's no difference between Al Gore and George Bush". That's their ridiculous reasoning for voting for Ralph Nader. Nader gets 95,000 votes with no chance of winning anything, and Gore loses the election to Bush by 534 votes after the recount was stopped by the Supreme Court. Do you think those Nader supporters from the Green party figured out their error when Gore went on to win the Nobel Peace prize with his work on environmental issues, and Bush went on to start an unnecessary war in Iraq based on false and fixed intelligence, giving the world Isis today.
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I'm not a Bernie supporter at all but I can tell when an election is rigged and so can everyone else, except for the blindly partisan. Do you really think that with my screen name being Moderate Right and my lean listed as slightly conservative that I was a Bernie supporter? In fact, if forced to decide between the policies of the two I would prefer Clinton to Bernie but I don't believe in having a lying, dishonest, crook who rigged the primaries as president. Bernie should have had a fair chance because he was at least honest. Maybe he would have won, maybe Hillary would have still won, but we will never know. By the way, I'm not a Trump supporter either. I'm writing in a candidate because all of the ones on the ballot are not worthy of a vote.
 
Moderate Right said:
I'm not a Bernie supporter at all but I can tell when an election is rigged and so can everyone else, except for the blindly partisan. Do you really think that with my screen name being Moderate Right and my lean listed as slightly conservative that I was a Bernie supporter? In fact, if forced to decide between the policies of the two I would prefer Clinton to Bernie but I don't believe in having a lying, dishonest, crook who rigged the primaries as president. Bernie should have had a fair chance because he was at least honest. Maybe he would have won, maybe Hillary would have still won, but we will never know. By the way, I'm not a Trump supporter either. I'm writing in a candidate because all of the ones on the ballot are not worthy of a vote.
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OK, if that's what you want to believe, that's fie with me. Fox News propagated this rigged primary myth back in July based on wilileeks releases showing a DNC preference to Hillary, but they had absolutely no proof that any election has been rigged.
 
StarWarsBob said:
OK, if that's what you want to believe, that's fie with me. Fox News propagated this rigged primary myth back in July based on wilileeks releases showing a DNC preference to Hillary, but they had absolutely no proof that any election has been rigged.
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It was the Democrats themselves that demoted DWS, not Republicans. It was CNN who fired Donna Brazille, not the Republicans. It was Bernie himself who said the primaries were rigged and had to file a lawsuit against the DNC to get back the voting records he was denied access to but entitled to, not the Republicans. Are you saying that the Democrats themselves believed the Fox News "propaganda" and axed their own people due to it? The Wikileaks stuff has never once proven to be doctored, in fact, with the Donna Brazille stuff, it was proven not to be doctored, hence why CNN fired her.
 
Moderate Right said:
It was the Democrats themselves that demoted DWS, not Republicans. It was CNN who fired Donna Brazille, not the Republicans. It was Bernie himself who said the primaries were rigged and had to file a lawsuit against the DNC to get back the voting records he was denied access to but entitled to, not the Republicans. Are you saying that the Democrats themselves believed the Fox News "propaganda" and axed their own people due to it? The Wikileaks stuff has never once proven to be doctored, in fact, with the Donna Brazille stuff, it was proven not to be doctored, hence why CNN fired her.
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I said it before, I'll say it again. Today, Hillary Clinton is going to receive more votes for the office of President of the US than any American in the history of this country. She doesn't NEED to rig primaries, or have them rigged. Up to today, Barack Obama had received more votes than any other American when in 2008 he received 69.498 million votes. The MOST votes that ANY Republican has ever received was 60.933 million votes in 2012 by Mitt Romney.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz stepped down because she was not supposed to show favoritism to any candidates, and hacked and leaked emails showed that she did. It was that simple. There was not any rigging of any primaries. Rigging federal election primaries and voter fraud is a violation of FEDERAL LAW. If rigging happened, there would have been an investigation by federal authorities. There was NONE.

You are entitled to your own opinions, NOT your own facts.
 
StarWarsBob said:
I said it before, I'll say it again. Today, Hillary Clinton is going to receive more votes for the office of President of the US than any American in the history of this country. She doesn't NEED to rig primaries, or have them rigged. Up to today, Barack Obama had received more votes than any other American when in 2008 he received 69.498 million votes. The MOST votes that ANY Republican has ever received was 60.933 million votes in 2012 by Mitt Romney.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz stepped down because she was not supposed to show favoritism to any candidates, and hacked and leaked emails showed that she did. It was that simple. There was not any rigging of any primaries. Rigging federal election primaries and voter fraud is a violation of FEDERAL LAW. If rigging happened, there would have been an investigation by federal authorities. There was NONE.

You are entitled to your own opinions, NOT your own facts.
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Boy are you partisan. She DID rig the primaries in order to get where she is to win the most votes for president in history.
 
Moderate Right said:
Boy are you partisan. She DID rig the primaries in order to get where she is to win the most votes for president in history.
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That is absolute BS. Hillary Clinton got more votes for the nomination for President than any other American in history, but that was in 2008.

When a politician has won more votes than any American in history, they have no need to rig primaries. There is NOT A SINGLE LIVING AMERICAN IN EITHER PARTY THAT COULD BEAT HILLARY CLINTON IN THE PRIMARIES OR IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.
 
StarWarsBob said:
That is absolute BS. Hillary Clinton got more votes for the nomination for President than any other American in history, but that was in 2008.

When a politician has won more votes than any American in history, they have no need to rig primaries. There is NOT A SINGLE LIVING AMERICAN IN EITHER PARTY THAT COULD BEAT HILLARY CLINTON IN THE PRIMARIES OR IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.
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You just don't get it. The primaries were rigged! There is proof of it. That's the reason why she won more votes. The deck was stacked against Bernie before the primaries even started and the rigging caused Hillary to win early states and then it just snowballed from there. Once Hillary had amassed a fair amount of delegates people just started voting for her because it was too late to vote for Bernie and make a difference. There were several states early on where Bernie either won the vote outright or the vote was about 50/50 and, because of the superdelegates, Hillary won the majority of the delegates anyway and it was apparent that Bernie had no chance. But, if the primaries hadn't been rigged in the first place she would have never gotten all those votes because the superdelegates may have started going to Bernie in those earlier states instead of her. I'm not saying that Bernie would have won without the rigging of the DNC. Maybe he would have and maybe he wouldn't have but the point is we will never know because the system was rigged to give her every advantage.
 
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