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For those voting for Hillary Clinton

I'm voting for Hillary Clinton because...


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Here is my wrap up.

Clinton is a pragmatist who is very capable and knowledgeable and experienced. I trust her on foreign affairs and I think she'll be a very moderate democrat for domestic policy. I don't think she is very honest, but her dishonesty has never really centered around any nefarious purposes in my opinion. The bit of actual dishonesty you find with Clinton has been blown up by partisan hacks into this swirling vortex of bull**** that have been on witchhunt after witchhunt. I hear constantly about how she has had dozens of people murdered, laughed at a 12 year old rape victim, has lesbian lovers, ordered a standdown for Benghazi, went to bed or slept through the Benghazi attack, only married bill so that she could mentor him into a politician so she could gain power, had Chelsea so that people would like her more for political purposes etc. etc. which is all a bunch of crap.

For Trump, his lies aren't politically motivated. They are a part of his nature. He makes it seem like it's just him having fun. He'll say Obama and Hillary founded Isis, then say of course he's joking, then say "but seriously they did". During every single debate I was able to point out half a dozen lies that were obviously lies right off the top of my head. He'll say that his assault victims are too ugly for him to touch them, then turn around and say he never said that a day later. And he's serious, not just joking around. He's mad that Hillary dared to suggest that he said what he actually said. He doesn't actually have and policy thoughts. He just says what people want to hear with no actual thought put into it. For example, he always says that we should have taken the Iraqi oil upon invading. Which is the exact narrative that the entire world was accusing us of. Coming to steal the oil. Bush spend time ensuring countries that the invasion wasn't for oil. So taking the oil would have only diminished our status in the world. Not to mention that iraqi oil is crucial in helping to set up a functioning state. If you take that away from Iraq then you leave behind a disaster and the narrative that we were just invading to steal the oil and get out of town would have been hard to deny. Not to mention, invading a country and taking it's natural resources as the spoils of war is against the geneva convention. Not to mention, he has been on both sides of the Iraq war, both sides of the Libyan conflict etc. He actually thinks that Russia is doing us a favor in Syria and they are just killing ISIS for us. I can't really find a way to state just how idiotic and dangerous he is on foreign affairs. He has held all of the following positions on the syria conflict, just in the short time of running for POTUS: we shouldn't send in ground troops at all, we have to send in ground troops to the tune of 20,000 or 30,000 we have no choice, we should just sit back and let Russia handle it because they are taking care of it for us, we can go in and establish safe zones, we can only provide monetary support for safe zones and other countries around syria will have to provide man power for safe zones cause we aren't doing it. Those have all been positions he has held. Which tells us one thing, that he has no clue what's going on or even who our allies are or our interests lie with. When you combine this level of ignorance with his uncontrollable temper you create one of the most dangerous candidates possible. He eats up misinformation. He'll gladly base policy off of something he heard on the internet or in a magazine. He doesn't trust US intelligence to any level. He simply can't be president.
 
I don't tend to have your PC nonsense permeating my being. For 8 years I have heard from Obama fluffers that those of us who think he was a lousy president and an empty suit, must be "racist". It has no impact anymore. And I am sure, Hillary's fan boys and fluffing ladies will claim those of us who think Hillary is the scum of the earth are that way because "we fear strong women" or we hate accomplished women. Wrong. what we hate are lying conniving power hungry assholes.

When you call a woman a tuna, ya we all know what your getting at, you got caught being almost as sexist as your Dear Leader
 
And you don't eliminate/reduce government corruption by electing stupid.

I bet on an IQ scale Trump is every bit as smart as Hillary and probably smarter. Hillary isn't all that bright. She well above average but she's not genius level or even very bright. What she is is extremely ambitious and ruthless. Most of the people I went to college and law school with are smarter than Hillary.
 
I bet on an IQ scale Trump is every bit as smart as Hillary and probably smarter. Hillary isn't all that bright. She well above average but she's not genius level or even very bright. What she is is extremely ambitious and ruthless. Most of the people I went to college and law school with are smarter than Hillary.

Someone can have an extremely high IQ and still be stupid politically. Trump just isn't the right fit for the job. Hillary can do the job politically, but I don't think well. I don't think Trump could do the job at all.
 
yeah because people like you seem to think those who have past public office-even if its through nepotism or whom they are married to, makes them qualified even if they personally are scum and like it or not, Hillary is personally the most disgusting POS who has ever run on a major ticket since I was born. LBJ and Nixon might have been close but Hillary is a complete turd.

Nah, more than likely you're just such a massive hack that explaining it any depth isn't worth the effort.
 
Which of Hillary's experiences, internationally in particular, has had a positive outcome?

Experience doesn't always translate into good habits. Failure is, however, one the greatest teachers.
 
When you call a woman a tuna, ya we all know what your getting at, you got caught being almost as sexist as your Dear Leader

as I said, I don't suffer from PC silliness.
 
Nah, more than likely you're just such a massive hack that explaining it any depth isn't worth the effort.

that's rich given I have been highly critical of both Trump and his primary supporters, while you seem enamored with Hillary.
 
Someone can have an extremely high IQ and still be stupid politically. Trump just isn't the right fit for the job. Hillary can do the job politically, but I don't think well. I don't think Trump could do the job at all.

based on what? she was a failure as a senator and a SOS
 
that's rich given I have been highly critical of both Trump and his primary supporters, while you seem enamored with Hillary.

Oh really? Care to point out where I sung her praise? Go on, I'll wait.
 
as I said, I don't suffer from PC silliness.


Very classy TD, and very disappointed that one of the more sane Republicans here would use a term like that.
 
Very classy TD, and very disappointed that one of the more sane Republicans here would use a term like that.

as I said, I am wired differently than you are and I don't suffer from PC. I was equally disparaging of Trump-inflated nuts. thinking with his balls etc
 
And you don't eliminate/reduce government corruption by electing stupid.

And nothing tells us Trump would reduce government - just the opposite as his plan for infrastructure is twice that of Clinton with no real way to pay for it other than debt. His economic policies would lead to a worse recession that the 2008 Bush debacle and then cause massive government spending to get us out of it.

The worse case scenario for Clinton is her cold war defense hawkishness gets us into a local war. Otherwise its pretty much going to be a repeat of Bills administration with lots of the same people and policies.

The worst case scenario for Trump is that he proves to be a grossly irresponsible wild card who crashes the economy, gets us into trade wars, bankrupts the treasury, destroys our tax system and brings a strong man authoritarian rule to the nation leading us down the road to American fascism wrapped in the flag.

Clinton is bad. Trump is much much worse.
 
Clinton is bad. Trump is much much worse.

And that's how I look at it. I think Trump will be so much worse that I felt the need to vote Hillary. At least last presidential election cycle I felt I was safe voting for third party. This election, I don't want to take the chance of Trump winning because I think he will be that bad.
 
That's our biggest problem. We don't get people who have actually accomplished something in the real world-rather we get people who are power hungry and spend their entire lives manipulating and prevaricating to get into office.

i believe someone of Obama's calibre proves your argument to be inaccurate

like most within this thread, i am not a hillary supporter. had planned to write in Bernie's name on my ballot until i learned tRump had allowed the ****ing heritage foundation to vet his list of prospective supreme court justices. such a resulting reich wing court would damage our nation for generations. to oppose such an outcome, hillary gets my vote
 
I'm voting for Hillary, because if Trump does half the things (he himself) claims he will do, he will do extreme damage. He's a short tempered person, who shouldn't have his hands anywhere near the red phone. No, we can't have the heritage foundation picking the supreme court justices either.
 
I don't like Hillary. Never really did. But she's got the experience I want for a Presidential candidate, which I guess is better than nothing.

Why is experience all of a sudden important?
 
Don't trust or like her at all; the reasons should be abundantly obvious. She's anti-charismatic, duplicitous, ruthless, an incessant liar, compulsively secretive, power hungry, and consistently demonstrates terrible judgement... and yet despite all this she's still better than Trump.

I'm not 'with' her, I'm against him.
 
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Trump has a rancid personality. But Hillary needs to be punished for her lies, her arrogance, her use of government to gain wealth and try to destroy people who have crossed the clinton crime family. The message people like you send is that someone can be completely corrupt and power mad but you will vote for them

I think Trump did OK when he went to meet the Mexican President.

There was no international incident.

Now Hillary rebuffed the invitation which could cause an incident.

I guess the President didn't offer enough money for her to appear.
 
She's not Trump.
 
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