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Can Black People Be Racist to White People?

Can Black People Be Racist To White People?

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The model we choose is the Brittanee Drexel-Shannon McConaughey model. In it, April 2009, the smuggled Arab son, Obama, has just released the Bush torture memos, Drexel disappears at Myrtle Beach, as the Chappaqua Blue Racer, Hillary Clinton, is airborne to Lebanon to help celebrate the fourth anniversary of the (pullout [italics]) of Syrian troops from Lebanon. Drexel was Turkish-American DNA, and we think it a good model, because Putin, The Kremlin, and Erdogan are clued up about Gulen holed up in Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania.
 
#50: There are certain individuals at the University of Wisconsin who know the Philippines link to Temple. This writer's room-mate was from the a Philippines government family, and the other room-mate commuted to Temple for classes from our location at Penn State. We will thus note the timing of msm for the alignment of the Philippines with China. The mascot concept we choose is Anna Politkovskaya's Zheltoe na chernom "yellow on black." See her Vtoriaia chechenskaia ( A Small Corner of Hell). Politkovskaya's date links to Alexander Litvinenko's date at the Fort Mims Massacre, and by default, that story precisely links to Benghazi security, prompting the question, "Did these attackers know of the alignment?"
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Only a very small percentage of China is arable land. Much of India is very poor for agriculture as well. Its much easier for countries in Europe to feed themselves through domestic agriculture than it is for China, India, and the Middle East.
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You missed the point about historical advantage...
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
That is a rather ridiculous comparison though considering that the world's population today is 7 times what it was when most of slavery was abolished in the west. If you want to bring up India though, the entire native Indian population was treated like second class citizens at best under British rule.
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Regardless, the scale of slavery now is larger than it has ever been, and it's almost all non-Western. And it's bogus to include subjects of colonial rule under the rubric "slaves". British colonials in New England were hardly slaves. They, like most colonial subjects, lived independent lives according to their own customs and were only responsible for paying taxes, like any of us are.
 
LowDown said:
Regardless, the scale of slavery now is larger than it has ever been, and it's almost all non-Western. And it's bogus to include subjects of colonial rule under the rubric "slaves". British colonials in New England were hardly slaves. They, like most colonial subjects, lived independent lives according to their own customs and were only responsible for paying taxes, like any of us are.
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Slavery is not bigger than it has ever been. If you look at an actual percentage of the total population, systemic racism and slavery is not a greater problem than it has ever been. Indeed as a percentage of the world's population we are doing better in that regard than ever before in human history.
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
Your theory goes all to hell, though, when the "downtrodden" race MURDERS the other, or members of their own race.

That act is pretty "agregious", if you ask me.

Group A has all the guns and ammo they need, but they prefer to stay where other members of Group A live and kill them wholesale, and the whole thing is ignored by all.
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Really? Would you agree with me that all races are just as racist - or have roughly the same degree of racism - as all the other races? Would you agree with that?
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Really? Would you agree with me that all races are just as racist - or have roughly the same degree of racism - as all the other races? Would you agree with that?
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I would agree with that, however like many, you attempted to say this and then pivoted to blame white people because we are historically the better off group in the USA. Its time to stop blaming white people for ongoing issues in the inner cities of the United States. Especially considering your political lean has been in charge of these areas for the better part of multiple generations.
 
When I was in the Army I used to run about 5 miles 4-5 times a week.

While running, I would often jog past black guys. If there was one, he'd never say anything. If there were two, about half the time they'd call me a cracker motherf'er or something similar. Three or more and it was an all out verbal assault.

No matter how liberal I've ever been or am now, I do not b.s. myself. Black people are every bit, if not more racist than white folks in general.
 
Opopanax said:
I do not b.s. myself. Black people are every bit, if not more racist than white folks in general.
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Agreed... and I say that with regret.
 
Bodhisattva said:
What makes you think that I am missing that?

I am asking about something that many people deny is even possible... simple black on white racism.
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And did I not state in my previous comment that black-on-white racism exists? Racism is a human trait - a survival trait from the days when one had to worry if the really-different-looking people approaching on horses presented a threat.

My only point is that when one side is significantly more powerful than the other, then the racism committed by the much more powerful side WILL be more effective and more egregious than the racism committed by the weaker side. Is that really so hard to understand?
 
ajn678 said:
I would agree with that, however like many, you attempted to say this and then pivoted to blame white people because we are historically the better off group in the USA. Its time to stop blaming white people for ongoing issues in the inner cities of the United States. Especially considering your political lean has been in charge of these areas for the better part of multiple generations.
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Now, given that all races are just as racist towards all other races, please 'splain to me how it was in the centuries of slavery and the near-century of Jim Crow that racism by blacks towards whites was just as bad as by whites towards blacks.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
And did I not state in my previous comment that black-on-white racism exists? Racism is a human trait - a survival trait from the days when one had to worry if the really-different-looking people approaching on horses presented a threat.

My only point is that when one side is significantly more powerful than the other, then the racism committed by the much more powerful side WILL be more effective and more egregious than the racism committed by the weaker side. Is that really so hard to understand?
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But that depends on scenario. White racism keeping a black family from buying a house, if that is even possible, is not as bad as black racism where a mob of kids beat and foot stomp an innocent white girl into the hospital.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Now, given that all races are just as racist towards all other races, please 'splain to me how it was in the centuries of slavery and the near-century of Jim Crow that racism by blacks towards whites was just as bad as by whites towards blacks.
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Please 'splain' to me how my father's drive to get educated up to getting a PhD after his father didn't even go to college is responsible for centuries of slavery and near-century of Jim Crow. Please 'splain' how my pursuit of education beginning at a community college with a large percentage of minorities, working my ass off, and getting into one of the best technical institutes in my area is due to Jim Crow laws. Please 'splain' to me how as a white person I was responsible for the crimes of people that I share no lineage with. Please 'splain' to me how my grandparents and great grandparents benefited from living in the ghettos of NYC and were looked down the same way as Mexicans are these days. Please 'splain' to me how my "white American privelage'" benefited my ancestors who were treated like garbage in Europe prior to coming to the United States. And please 'splain' to me how my mother's heritage was enhanced by Hitler attempting to wipe half of my existence off of the planet.

The problem with your theory, is that more and more people are calling you for the bull**** you preach. Really easy to say these things and blame an entire race that consists of hundreds and hundreds of nations, people, and classes. Just because I might be white doesn't mean my family was given a free ticket to anything. My parents both worked their asses off to provide a good life for me and my siblings, and we were taught that if we wanted something, we needed to do it. We both did that. If you wanna blame me for your place in life, maybe you should look in the mirror and blame your lack of character and determination.
 
Bodhisattva said:
But that depends on scenario. White racism keeping a black family from buying a house, if that is even possible, is not as bad as black racism where a mob of kids beat and foot stomp an innocent white girl into the hospital.
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You're talking about individual instances - I'm talking about what happens throughout the nation as a whole.

So, do you agree that all races are just as racist as all the other races? Would you agree with me on that?
 
Glen Contrarian said:
You're talking about individual instances - I'm talking about what happens throughout the nation as a whole.

So, do you agree that all races are just as racist as all the other races? Would you agree with me on that?
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100%... all races are racist.

I would say that in our current climate black people are more racist, as a group, than white people are... or at least more overt about it.
 
ajn678 said:
Please 'splain' to me how my father's drive to get educated up to getting a PhD after his father didn't even go to college is responsible for centuries of slavery and near-century of Jim Crow. Please 'splain' how my pursuit of education beginning at a community college with a large percentage of minorities, working my ass off, and getting into one of the best technical institutes in my area is due to Jim Crow laws. Please 'splain' to me how as a white person I was responsible for the crimes of people that I share no lineage with. Please 'splain' to me how my grandparents and great grandparents benefited from living in the ghettos of NYC and were looked down the same way as Mexicans are these days. Please 'splain' to me how my "white American privelage'" benefited my ancestors who were treated like garbage in Europe prior to coming to the United States. And please 'splain' to me how my mother's heritage was enhanced by Hitler attempting to wipe half of my existence off of the planet.

The problem with your theory, is that more and more people are calling you for the bull**** you preach. Really easy to say these things and blame an entire race that consists of hundreds and hundreds of nations, people, and classes. Just because I might be white doesn't mean my family was given a free ticket to anything. My parents both worked their asses off to provide a good life for me and my siblings, and we were taught that if we wanted something, we needed to do it. We both did that. If you wanna blame me for your place in life, maybe you should look in the mirror and blame your lack of character and determination.
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You couldn't do it, could you? You agreed that all races are just as racist towards other races...but you couldn't admit that the racism committed by whites WAS more effective and egregious during slavery and Jim Crow.

Want to talk about Jews? Fine - my statement applies to them every bit as much as it does about blacks. The prejudice and persecution committed by the socioeconomically dominant race (or ethnicity or religion or {pick your demographic}) WILL be more effective and egregious than that committed by the weaker demographic...and this applies to the prejudice and genocide faced by the Jews in Europe, too, as the dominant religions and races there committed grievous prejudice and genocide against them. How do you not see that the same principle applies?

What you don't get is that I'm excusing NO ONE. We are ALL human...and the principle I stated applies throughout the world, throughout human history. What the heck is so offensive about me pointing it out?
 
Bodhisattva said:
100%... all races are racist.

I would say that in our current climate black people are more racist, as a group, than white people are... or at least more overt about it.
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Really?

Okay, but back to the agreement. If all races are just as racist as all other races...then explain how it was that during the centuries of slavery and the near-century of Jim Crow, how was it that blacks were just as racist towards whites?

What this points to is what I said before: the prejudice and persecution committed by the socioeconomically dominant demographic WILL be more effective and more egregious than that committed by the weaker demographic. And that principle applies to everyone - it applies to ALL races, ALL ethnicities, ALL religions, ALL demographics. How could that in any way be offensive?
 
Glen Contrarian said:
You couldn't do it, could you? You agreed that all races are just as racist towards other races...but you couldn't admit that the racism committed by whites WAS more effective and egregious during slavery and Jim Crow.

Want to talk about Jews? Fine - my statement applies to them every bit as much as it does about blacks. The prejudice and persecution committed by the socioeconomically dominant race (or ethnicity or religion or {pick your demographic}) WILL be more effective and egregious than that committed by the weaker demographic...and this applies to the prejudice and genocide faced by the Jews in Europe, too, as the dominant religions and races there committed grievous prejudice and genocide against them. How do you not see that the same principle applies?

What you don't get is that I'm excusing NO ONE. We are ALL human...and the principle I stated applies throughout the world, throughout human history. What the heck is so offensive about me pointing it out?
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I agree with your first statement. I don't agree that people of different races in the same economic bracket are so far off as you would like people to believe. If someone fails to make it in America in 2016, you can look at their effort in life more than their skin color. People have done terrible things to every group of people in the history of the human race. Its hilariously stupid that white people need to apologize in 2016 for "being better at racism" like you state.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Really?

Okay, but back to the agreement. If all races are just as racist as all other races...then explain how it was that during the centuries of slavery and the near-century of Jim Crow, how was it that blacks were just as racist towards whites?

What this points to is what I said before: the prejudice and persecution committed by the socioeconomically dominant demographic WILL be more effective and more egregious than that committed by the weaker demographic. And that principle applies to everyone - it applies to ALL races, ALL ethnicities, ALL religions, ALL demographics. How could that in any way be offensive?
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We are talking about now and I don't think that socio-economic racism (that I don't even think exists) is worse than a crowd of black kids beating up a white kid.
 
ajn678 said:
I agree with your first statement. I don't agree that people of different races in the same economic bracket are so far off as you would like people to believe. If someone fails to make it in America in 2016, you can look at their effort in life more than their skin color. People have done terrible things to every group of people in the history of the human race. Its hilariously stupid that white people need to apologize in 2016 for "being better at racism" like you state.
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Effort. Exactly... as a teacher I see this first hand. In the USA it was with Mexicans and blacks... here it is with Maori. Barely any effort. No pencil, pen, paper... never ready to learn. Late almost every class... more interested in getting the "bro handshakes" down than reading directions. Cell phones. Shouting things out. Not listening... then getting mad when they are told they are failing and will have to do it over or get summer school. Sure, this happens with white kids but not nearly close to the same scope...
 
Bodhisattva said:
We are talking about now and I don't think that socio-economic racism (that I don't even think exists) is worse than a crowd of black kids beating up a white kid.
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READ, willya? I didn't say "socioeconomic racism" - I referred to whatever demographic is socioeconomically dominant. Is that really too difficult to grasp?
 
ajn678 said:
I agree with your first statement. I don't agree that people of different races in the same economic bracket are so far off as you would like people to believe. If someone fails to make it in America in 2016, you can look at their effort in life more than their skin color. People have done terrible things to every group of people in the history of the human race. Its hilariously stupid that white people need to apologize in 2016 for "being better at racism" like you state.
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In other words, you've made up your mind that everything's all equal now...that the children of the ones who fought to KEEP segregation, who fought to reject civil rights...that they ain't nowhere near as racist as their parents.

'Course, those of us who've lived that life know better.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
READ, willya? I didn't say "socioeconomic racism" - I referred to whatever demographic is socioeconomically dominant. Is that really too difficult to grasp?
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I said socioeconomic after you said socioeconomic but I am apparently completely off your point? Is that what you are trying to say? :lol:
 
Glen Contrarian said:
In other words, you've made up your mind that everything's all equal now...that the children of the ones who fought to KEEP segregation, who fought to reject civil rights...that they ain't nowhere near as racist as their parents.

'Course, those of us who've lived that life know better.
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What is your goal... to prove that white people are worse than others, or something? That whites were so bad in the past that this means that they still are worse or that things can't change?
 
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