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Voting for Trump based on SCOTUS and valuing the constitution.

Do you honestly think Trump knows/understands the constitution and values it more tha

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LaylaWindu

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This question was motivated by another thread that was addressing the argument of voting for trump on the basis of SCOTUS selections and upholding the constitution. Many feel thats a weak argument to support Trump because he hasn't shown that. Does anyone here honestly believe that trump knows the constitution, cares about it and respects it? And then with that he will place it and care about it ABOVE his own personal wants, needs and feelings. So I guess I have to shrink that question somehow.

Do you honestly think Trump knows/understands the constitution and values it more than his own wants/feelings?

Yes
No
 
LaylaWindu said:
This question was motivated by another thread that was addressing the argument of voting for trump on the basis of SCOTUS selections and upholding the constitution. Many feel thats a weak argument to support Trump because he hasn't shown that. Does anyone here honestly believe that trump knows the constitution, cares about it and respects it? And then with that he will place it and care about it ABOVE his own personal wants, needs and feelings. So I guess I have to shrink that question somehow.

Do you honestly think Trump knows/understands the constitution and values it more than his own wants/feelings?

Yes
No
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IMHO, the thread title and the poll question are not inextricably linked and have nothing to do with each other, which makes it impossible to answer one based on the other.
 
Beaudreaux said:
IMHO, the thread title and the poll question are not are not inextricably linked, which makes it impossible to answer one based on the other.
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That makes no sense, the thread title is not the question, there's only ONE question which can be answered with or without the thread title but you are welcome to your opinion that you are making up.
 
LaylaWindu said:
That makes no sense, the thread title is not the question, there's only ONE question which can be answered with or without the thread title but you are welcome to your opinion that you are making up.
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Why write a thread question that has nothing to do with the thread title, then? That, makes no sense and just confuses the two separate issues. Your question would be answered by me, as no, nonetheless.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Why write a thread question that has nothing to do with the thread title, then? That, makes no sense and just confuses the two separate issues.
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I didn't your self confusion is yours to deal with, an OP is the TOTAL of the parts and there's only one questions asked. :shrug:
 
LaylaWindu said:
This question was motivated by another thread that was addressing the argument of voting for trump on the basis of SCOTUS selections and upholding the constitution. Many feel thats a weak argument to support Trump because he hasn't shown that. Does anyone here honestly believe that trump knows the constitution, cares about it and respects it? And then with that he will place it and care about it ABOVE his own personal wants, needs and feelings. So I guess I have to shrink that question somehow.

Do you honestly think Trump knows/understands the constitution and values it more than his own wants/feelings?

Yes
No
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How anyone who took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution - as I did and still uphold - could ever vote for Trump, I honestly don't know.
 
LaylaWindu said:
I didn't your self confusion is yours to deal with, an OP is the TOTAL of the parts and there's only one questions asked. :shrug:
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If I created a thread with the title "Do you preferred automatic or manual transmissions" and then asked a poll question "Do you think Trump makes stupid comments" wouldn't that seem strange to you?
 
Beaudreaux said:
If I created a thread with the title "Do you preferred automatic or manual transmissions" and then asked a poll question "Do you think Trump makes stupid comments" wouldn't that seem strange to you?
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non-analogous and your excessive whining about your own mistakes doesn't change anything The analogy would actually be "Picking Trump based on Driving ability and valuing transmission" and the question would be "Do you honestly think Trump knows/understands transmissions/driving skills and values it them more than his own wants/feelings? Just stop you're embarrassing yourself or continue whining if you like . . . . it won't changes anything and I'll continue to laugh while others answer the ONE questions that was asked :)
 
LaylaWindu said:
non-analogous and your excessive whining about your own mistakes doesn't change anything The analogy would actually be "Picking Trump based on Driving ability and valuing transmission" and the question would be "Do you honestly think Trump knows/understands transmissions/driving skills and values it them more than his own wants/feelings? Just stop you're embarrassing yourself or continue whining if you like . . . . it won't changes anything and I'll continue to laugh while others answer the ONE questions that was asked :)
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I made no mistakes. I didn't write a thread title that has nothing to do with the thread poll question. I simply made a respectfully polite observation to which you responded in a less than polite or respectful manner. Also, I answered the question, both in a post and in your poll. You continue to post directly to me, which I am simply responding to your statements. Don't want me to respond again? Don't reply to this - simple.
 
Beaudreaux said:
I made no mistakes. I didn't write a thread title that has nothing to do with the thread poll question. I simply made a respectfully polite observation to which you responded in a less than polite or respectful manner. Also, I answered the question, both in a post and in your poll. You continue to post directly to me, which I am simply responding to your statements. Don't want me to respond again? Don't reply to this - simple.
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Yes you did, you keep making them and keep whining it's hilarious! You are even making MORE, I didn't write a thread title that has nothing to do with the thread poll question (mistake one), I didn't say you didn't answer my one question (mistake two) I didn't say I didn't want you to respond I gave you advice on your impact and what will happen (mistake 3). So here were are, your observation is wrong, nothing's changed, I'm still laughing at it and others (who aren;t making your mistake) are simply answering the one question.:)
 
LaylaWindu said:
Yes you did, you keep making them and keep whining it's hilarious! You are even making MORE, I didn't write a thread title that has nothing to do with the thread poll question (mistake one), I didn't say you didn't answer my one question (mistake two) I didn't say I didn't want you to respond I gave you advice on your impact and what will happen (mistake 3). So here were are, your observation is wrong, nothing's changed, I'm still laughing at it and others (who aren;t making your mistake) are simply answering the one question.:)
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This has gone too far. I don't want to derail the thread completely.
 
People who will vote for Trump will do so because they hate the corrupt, dishonest Hillary Clinton.

They are less so voting for Trump than they are voting against Hillary.
Period.

All this other (admittedly good-intentioned Constitutional) discussion is, sadly, meaningless at this point in history.
:(
 
LaylaWindu said:
Do you honestly think Trump knows/understands the constitution and values it more than his own wants/feelings?

Yes
No
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No, I do not. We have been talking nonstop about Trump's narcissistic egomaniac mentalities. We have zero evidence he would do much along the lines of Constitutionalism.
 
OrphanSlug said:
No, I do not. We have been talking nonstop about Trump's narcissistic egomaniac mentalities. We have zero evidence he would do much along the lines of Constitutionalism.
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I agree, IMO when discussing Trump there's nothing that makes me feel he values the constitution over his personal feelings or that he even understands it.
 
This poll question makes no sense.
 
LaylaWindu said:
This question was motivated by another thread that was addressing the argument of voting for trump on the basis of SCOTUS selections and upholding the constitution. Many feel thats a weak argument to support Trump because he hasn't shown that. Does anyone here honestly believe that trump knows the constitution, cares about it and respects it? And then with that he will place it and care about it ABOVE his own personal wants, needs and feelings. So I guess I have to shrink that question somehow.

Do you honestly think Trump knows/understands the constitution and values it more than his own wants/feelings?

Yes
No
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With Hillary Clinton it is all about a political agenda and she doesn't want the Constitution to stand in her way. She'll appoint SCOTUS justices that will rule or judge on feelings and not what is written in the constitution. Trump, I'm not even sure he knows what the constitution is.
 
Trump is not a Constitutional lawyer, ergo he would not be expected to have a legal understanding of the Constitution. I know about the Constitution, but am no scholar on the matter. You learn as you go. Legal advisors would explain to him Constitutional law and when it would be a Presidential issue and respond accordingly. That's why executives delegate. They are not expected to know everything, but are expected to surround themselves with the necessary disciplines. Does he understand the Constitution? No, first question. Does he value it more than his wants and/or feelings. Of course. That's why he's running for President. The last few Administrations have run all over the Constitution and he truly represents change and that is why the status quo of power hates him. Must be a renegade, don't ya' know? That's a good thing.
 
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Perotista said:
With Hillary Clinton it is all about a political agenda and she doesn't want the Constitution to stand in her way. She'll appoint SCOTUS justices that will rule or judge on feelings and not what is written in the constitution. Trump, I'm not even sure he knows what the constitution is.
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So your vote is no, thank you.
 
Other--I don't know and don't care.

We know Hilary "the whore of satan" does not value the constitution and if elected will probably appoint the next SCOTUS Justice which would unbalance the court in favor of the socialist (AKA the DNC) ending the value of the constitution, effectively killing it.

Trump can only go one of two ways, unbalance it to the left, throwing out Constitution or rebalance the court, semi-protecting the constitution.
 
LaylaWindu said:
I didn't your self confusion is yours to deal with, an OP is the TOTAL of the parts and there's only one questions asked. :shrug:
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He's right, though.

Your intent seems to be to invalidate those who would vote the way your subject line suggests. But even if everyone answers "no" to your poll question, it does not really inform the motivation in your subject line.
 
LaylaWindu said:
Does anyone here honestly believe that trump knows the constitution, cares about it and respects it?
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To me, that's irrelevant outside of a base understanding. I don't believe a President needs to be a constitutional scholar. Hell, I actually think that may be a detriment at times unless they are extremely steeped in it to the degree of a normal high justice because it can potentially lead to a greater arrogance regarding constitutional law and disregard for what the Court would likely actually rule.

I think he cares and respects the constitution about as much as most politicians do; ie, as much and in the fashion that it's advantageous for their desires.

But Trump isn't going to be a SCOTUS judge. He'd be nominating SCOTUS judges. So the question is much more, do I believe that Donald Trump will select those who care about, respect, and view the constitution in the fashion that I believe is correct?

As to the answer for that? I am not overly confident that nominate such a person, but I think him releasing a list of such people likely has at least given me a bit of hope that he would.

But to the answer of what your poll says? No, I imagine he values his own views/feelings more and largely views the constitution through a filter that allows for those views/feelings to work within it. I'd say much the same for Clinton or pretty much any of the other candidates.
 
it bothers me to no end that people believe the U.S. constitution to be the be all end all reference in establishing what will do. I would prefer pragmatism over unyielding adherence to any philosophy or legality. It's like going down with the ship for the sake of convention and projected image. Silliness. Do what needs to be done regardless of what the constitution seems to allow.
 
Russell797 said:
it bothers me to no end that people believe the U.S. constitution to be the be all end all reference in establishing what will do. I would prefer pragmatism over unyielding adherence to any philosophy or legality. It's like going down with the ship for the sake of convention and projected image. Silliness. Do what needs to be done regardless of what the constitution seems to allow.
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So, you're up for despotism, as long as you agree with the regime. OK.
 
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