Which is a bigger waste of a vote?

Brewdog said:

I think you're all foolish to believe that somehow your vote matters one iota.

Under the Electoral College, for your vote to matter, your state would have to be the deciding state. Then there would have to be a ONE vote difference in your state for your ONE vote to matter.

So why are you all using gasoline to drive to the polls to hold your noses and vote for two criminals?

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Because you vote does not mean you have to vote on the Presidential candidates, there are other positions that your vote actually counts for.

Kreton said:

2 options

Which is a bigger waste of a vote.

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if thers some one who can win that you like more then someone else who can also win

then voting for some one with no shot is the bigger waste

Brewdog said:

I think you're all foolish to believe that somehow your vote matters one iota.

Under the Electoral College, for your vote to matter, your state would have to be the deciding state. Then there would have to be a ONE vote difference in your state for your ONE vote to matter.

So why are you all using gasoline to drive to the polls to hold your noses and vote for two criminals?

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Electoral College or not.... your vote doesn't even matter.

Brewdog said:

Apparently, as YOU wish.

Congrats. You rubes have destroyed our once great nation. And there's no coming back. You just want your freebies from others that work for a living. Enjoy what was stolen from my earnings to handout to you.

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Which 'you' is that?

Actually, I just want a fair shake, a fair deal, and the government to leave me alone as much as possible, and leave me what I earn, also as much as possible.

Kreton said:

What if the only reason the 3rd party candidate can't win is because people are scared of wasting a vote?

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Historically, that has not been the case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...ances_in_United_States_presidential_elections

1912 was the last time a third party candidate even got 20% of the vote for president. Your theory might play out if third party candidates had been closer.

DVSentinel said:

Historically, that has not been the case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...ances_in_United_States_presidential_elections

1912 was the last time a third party candidate even got 20% of the vote for president. Your theory might play out if third party candidates had been closer.

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I am not saying every year. Some years there are good candidates that people genuinely support. This is not one of those years. Most people are basing their vote on hate. They are voting X because they hate Y.

Kreton said:

I am not saying every year. Some years there are good candidates that people genuinely support. This is not one of those years. Most people are basing their vote on hate. They are voting X because they hate Y.

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I disagree. The left has historically been brain dead and voted upon what they were given. Hilary promises them enough handouts and they support her without hate for trump. The only hate the left has, besides it's racism, is the hatred of actually having to do something to earn what they are given.

Caine said:

I voted someone you don't like.

However, since I don't like ANY of the candidates (not since Gary Johnson came out in support of Black Lies Matter), I'm voting for Trump.

Because he isn't in support of black lies matter, and he IS a supporter of my 2nd amendment rights.

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lol... black lies matter...I like that, I'm going to use it xD

DVSentinel said:

I disagree. The left has historically been brain dead and voted upon what they were given. Hilary promises them enough handouts and they support her without hate for trump. The only hate the left has, besides it's racism, is the hatred of actually having to do something to earn what they are given.

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There are some. But if Hillary was facing a candidate other than Trump she would not be winning and damn sure wouldn't be winning by this much.

Kreton said:

There are some. But if Hillary was facing a candidate other than Trump she would not be winning and damn sure wouldn't be winning by this much.

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I disagree. 40-45% would still be voting for her, even if we had confirmed proof she murdered someone. Oh, wait, we do. Benghazi.

Everyone who doesn't like Trump or Clinton should vote for a third party. Boom! Instant government reform!

Grand Mal said:

Everyone who doesn't like Trump or Clinton should vote for a third party. Boom! Instant government reform!

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Problem is I don't like those other people either.

Kreton said:

There are some. But if Hillary was facing a candidate other than Trump she would not be winning and damn sure wouldn't be winning by this much.

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If I hadn't interfered with your elections you would still probably have Clinton-Trump but Clinton probably wouldn't be winning by as much in fact you would all be deceived and vote for Trump (a Republican) and have a repeat of our previous Republican disaster.

DVSentinel said:

I disagree. 40-45% would still be voting for her, even if we had confirmed proof she murdered someone. Oh, wait, we do. Benghazi.

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Can't answer to you there, she did much worse than murder, although all your Presidents are murders, what would you have done?

Kreton said:

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Which is a bigger waste of a vote.

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A vote is never wasted. It's your constitutional right guaranteed to you by the protection of the United States of America. A vote is never wasted. The only thing that's a waste is if you do not vote at all.

DVSentinel said:

I disagree. 40-45% would still be voting for her, even if we had confirmed proof she murdered someone. Oh, wait, we do. Benghazi.

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I dont agree with any part of that. The first part is just opinion. I don't think 40-45% of the population would vote for Clinton if the Republicans put up a decent candidate. I think it would be around 15-20%.

The 2nd part just isn't true. But that is for another thread.

Exquisitor said:

Can't answer to you there, she did much worse than murder, although all your Presidents are murders, what would you have done?

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I suppose that would depend upon your definition of murder. Killing the enemy during wartime and collateral damage from strikes on legitimate military targets is not murder. Whether a war is "justified" depends on an individuals point of view and whether or not you win.

Hilary was criminally negligent in the performance of her duty, thus, it is murder. (negligent homicide)

Kreton said:

I dont agree with any part of that. The first part is just opinion. I don't think 40-45% of the population would vote for Clinton if the Republicans put up a decent candidate. I think it would be around 15-20%.

The 2nd part just isn't true. But that is for another thread.

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Really? Lets see what history says. Election Polls -- Presidential Vote by Groups | Gallup Historical Trends

Lets see.

1992-- Bill Clinton running against GH Bush was the last democrat to get below 45%, with most since then getting 48% or higher.

1984 -- Mondale still got 41% of the vote while running against Reagan.

You have to go all the way back to 1972 to find a democrat that has gotten less than 40% of the vote. McGovern vs Nixon.

Hell, even Peanut Head Carter, close to if not actually the worst president in US History, still pulled 41% against Reagan. No matter who the dems put up, even against outstanding Reps, do not draw less than 40% in modern history.

You will notice also, that regardless of who they put up, the Reps do not generally fall below 40% either. In 1992, Bush fell just below 40%, but then Perot was in that race and he garnered the highest percentage for an independent in over a century.

This election will probably be no different. Each party will probably reach at least 40% each, leaving the 20% between the two to actually determine the election. And looking through there, you will notice that the left increased from an average of below 45% as the number of government handouts has grown.