Trump and tax returns

If the IRS were to close Mr Trump's audits tomorrow, AND Hillary were to release ALL her emails tomorrow... he listed both as the 'single' requirement in last night's debate... do you believe he would actually release his tax returns, or would he come up with some other excuse?

It's an either/or question. No nuances.

Disclaimer: This thread regards Mr Trump's integrity and sincerity, not the tax returns themselves.

Of course he wouldn't. Trump is so afraid of releasing his tax returns that he thinks it would make even the people who support him the most turn on him.

That's the kind of stuff that's in them.

Opopanax said:

Of course he wouldn't. Trump is so afraid of releasing his tax returns that he thinks it would make even the people who support him the most turn on him.

That's the kind of stuff that's in them.

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Agreed. Trump is so afraid that the revelations will kill him that he knows a high risk gamble like not releasing them is less risky in comparison.

And that should scare the daylights out of every living American who can see the implications of such a decision by him.

haymarket said:

Agreed. Trump is so afraid that the revelations will kill him that he knows a high risk gamble like not releasing them is less risky in comparison.

And that should scare the daylights out of every living American who can see the implications of such a decision by him.

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I can't believe he's gotten away with it for so long. Among the many things that would've instantly disqualified any person with any amount of shame, this is the worst. He knows it would doom him, but his supporters don't seem to understand that.

radcen said:

If the IRS were to close Mr Trump's audits tomorrow, AND Hillary were to release ALL her emails tomorrow... he listed both as the 'single' requirement in last night's debate... do you believe he would actually release his tax returns, or would he come up with some other excuse?

It's an either/or question. No nuances.

Disclaimer: This thread regards Mr Trump's integrity and sincerity, not the tax returns themselves.

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Trump: "You see, like I would release my tax returns and all, but like I got issues to take care of first."

TheGoverness said:

Trump: "You see, like I would release my tax returns and all, but like I got issues to take care of first."

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yeah - the main one being protecting his own ass when the public gets a look at what a shady character he is while they pay more in income taxes that he does.

radcen said:

If the IRS were to close Mr Trump's audits tomorrow, AND Hillary were to release ALL her emails tomorrow... he listed both as the 'single' requirement in last night's debate... do you believe he would actually release his tax returns, or would he come up with some other excuse?

It's an either/or question. No nuances.

Disclaimer: This thread regards Mr Trump's integrity and sincerity, not the tax returns themselves.

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Of course not, both of those excuses are dishonest.

radcen said:

If the IRS were to close Mr Trump's audits tomorrow, AND Hillary were to release ALL her emails tomorrow... he listed both as the 'single' requirement in last night's debate... do you believe he would actually release his tax returns, or would he come up with some other excuse?

It's an either/or question. No nuances.

Disclaimer: This thread regards Mr Trump's integrity and sincerity, not the tax returns themselves.

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Well, we won't ever know because HC won't meet the condition, and the public will never know when the IRS is finished auditing him.

I wouldn't turn them over. It's no one's business. And the idea that a bunch of W2 dip****s are going to "interpret" a return as complicated as his most assuredly is is just ludicrous. If Congress deems it that important, let them pass a law that the last whatever years must be disclosed. For the presidency...congress, SCOTUS, etc. THAT'S never EVER going to happen. I think it would be found unconstitutional anyway, but they could try...

radcen said:

If the IRS were to close Mr Trump's audits tomorrow, AND Hillary were to release ALL her emails tomorrow... he listed both as the 'single' requirement in last night's debate... do you believe he would actually release his tax returns, or would he come up with some other excuse?

It's an either/or question. No nuances.

Disclaimer: This thread regards Mr Trump's integrity and sincerity, not the tax returns themselves.

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There is no way he is going to release them a month before the election. No matter what is in them. Nor should he at this point. What he should have done is released them when he announced his candidacy. Primary voters wouldn't have cared if he paid no income tax or whatever else he doesn't want out there. But for Hillary to ask "what is he hiding?" is just too funny

I'm over the tax returns. When Trump can prove to an independent team of doctors that he doesn't have AIDS and a massive, debilitating cocaine addiction, maybe she'll release all her emails.

MaggieD said:

Well, we won't ever know because HC won't meet the condition...

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She doesn't have to meet the condition. Releasing taxes has never been conditioned on anything for any candidate, but Trump is so special, so above and better than everyone else that he needs concessions?

and the public will never know when the IRS is finished auditing him.

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The IRS says he can release them now. How do you not know this? Hillary's tax returns that have been released go back since Bill was elected. So why not his?

I wouldn't turn them over. It's no one's business.

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The hell it isn't. If he wants the right to be POTUS, the American people have a genuine interest in how much he will be conflicted, who he deals with, and anything else that may make him unfit to serve.

And the idea that a bunch of W2 dip****s are going to "interpret" a return as complicated as his most assuredly is is just ludicrous.

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So now liberals are too stupid to read? There's no CPA in the U.S. who's qualified to read his returns unless they're a Trump supporter? You use the word "ludicrous"? That's ludicrous.

If Congress deems it that important, let them pass a law that the last whatever years must be disclosed.

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And there it is again. Trump is above everyone else; a petulant elitist who uses the law as a shield to protect him from what anyone else with any sense of morality would find reprehensible. Bankruptcy for bad decisions so that the cost falls on others? That's just smart. Not paying federal taxes when he can afford to pay at least something? That's just smart too.
Illegal immigrants are leeches because they don't pay enough in taxes, but Trump is just a good businessman when he does the same.

It's vomitous hypocrisy from a self-aggrandizing, litigious lout who believes without nary a pang of guilt that there are rules for him, and then there are rules for everyone else.

Yet he's for the common man.

Opopanax said:

She doesn't have to meet the condition. Releasing taxes has never been conditioned on anything for any candidate, but Trump is so special, so above and better than everyone else that he needs concessions?



The IRS says he can release them now. How do you not know this? Hillary's tax returns that have been released go back since Bill was elected. So why not his?



The hell it isn't. If he wants the right to be POTUS, the American people have a genuine interest in how much he will be conflicted, who he deals with, and anything else that may make him unfit to serve.



So now liberals are too stupid to read? There's no CPA in the U.S. who's qualified to read his returns unless they're a Trump supporter? You use the word "ludicrous"? That's ludicrous.



And there it is again. Trump is above everyone else; a petulant elitist who uses the law as a shield to protect him from what anyone else with any sense of morality would find reprehensible. Bankruptcy for bad decisions so that the cost falls on others? That's just smart. Not paying federal taxes when he can afford to pay at least something? That's just smart too.
Illegal immigrants are leeches because they don't pay enough in taxes, but Trump is just a good businessman when he does the same.

It's vomitous hypocrisy from a self-aggrandizing, litigious lout who believes without nary a pang of guilt that there are rules for him, and then there are rules for everyone else.

Yet he's for the common man.

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He has neve claimed the IRS said he couldn't release his taxes. If you had even a modicum of business acumen, you would never think or say that. The IRS has absolutely NO control over who you show your tax return to. If tax returns are a requirement of the office, make it a law. If it's not, which it isn't, then let the voters decide if they simply must see them. November will tell. In the meanwhile, order a beer and cry in it.

PS . . . Really?? A HC supporter calling TRUMP an elitist?? What a joke.

MaggieD said:

He has neve claimed the IRS said he couldn't release his taxes. If you had even a modicum of business acumen, you would never think or say that. The IRS has absolutely NO control over who you show your tax return to. If tax returns are a requirement of the office, make it a law. If it's not, which it isn't, then let the voters decide if they simply must see them. November will tell. In the meanwhile, order a beer and cry in it.

PS . . . Really?? A HC supporter calling TRUMP an elitist?? What a joke.

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You do know why this is even an issue, right? If your answer is "precedent," or "the law," you're wrong.

Cardinal said:

You do know why this is even an issue, right? If your answer is "precedent," or "the law," you're wrong.

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What?

MaggieD said:

What?

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My comment to you is a reaction to what seems to be confusion on your part as to why his tax returns is a topic of interest.

Yes he would release them.

The chances of his conditions being met?

ZERO

Cardinal said:

My comment to you is a reaction to what seems to be confusion on your part as to why his tax returns is a topic of interest.

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Are we playing a guessing game? Really? They're of interest because the left wants to beat the crap out of him with them. It's not rocket science.

MaggieD said:

He has neve claimed the IRS said he couldn't release his taxes. If you had even a modicum of business acumen, you would never think or say that. The IRS has absolutely NO control over who you show your tax return to. If tax returns are a requirement of the office, make it a law. If it's not, which it isn't, then let the voters decide if they simply must see them. November will tell. In the meanwhile, order a beer and cry in it.

PS . . . Really?? A HC supporter calling TRUMP an elitist?? What a joke.

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So far the voters who actually might vote for Trump have given the return issue a big who cares? The ones demanding the release would not vote for anyone but Hillary even if she was caught beating puppies and one of Trump's charities was the SPCA.

MaggieD said:

Are we playing a guessing game? Really? They're of interest because the left wants to beat the crap out of him with them. It's not rocket science.

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It's a point of contention because Trump has held no political office and his claim to qualification for being President is his wealth and success in business, the facts of which he has made a point to obscure. Let me head you off at the pass with a couple things in case that was your intention:

1)Please don't tell me "Tax returns don't reveal total wealth." We know this already.
2)Also, don't ask me, "Well how many successful businesses has Clinton run?" The reason we're not asking this is because business is not her claim to qualification. That's why her political past is being dissected instead of her business experience. Conversely, Donald's lack of political office is why we're dissecting (or attempting to dissect) his business instead of his history in political office.

MaggieD said:

Are we playing a guessing game? Really? They're of interest because the left wants to beat the crap out of him with them. It's not rocket science.

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Actually, rocket science is reasonably provable and predictable. We're dealing with human emotion and ego here. No telling where that scheit will go.

Cardinal said:

It's a point of contention because Trump has held no political office and his claim to qualification for being President is his wealth and success in business, the facts of which he has made a point to obscure. Let me head you off at the pass with a couple things in case that was your intention:

1)Please don't tell me "Tax returns don't reveal total wealth." We know this already.
2)Also, don't ask me, "Well how many successful businesses has Clinton run?" The reason we're not asking this is because business is not her claim to qualification. That's why her political past is being dissected instead of her business experience. Conversely, Donald's lack of political office is why we're dissecting (or attempting to dissect) his business instead of his history in political office.

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Trumps qualifications are:

A natural born citizen. Check
Over 35. Check
Resident of the US 10 yrs. Check

Anything else is for the voters to decide.

Cardinal said:

It's a point of contention because Trump has held no political office and his claim to qualification for being President is his wealth and success in business, the facts of which he has made a point to obscure. Let me head you off at the pass with a couple things in case that was your intention:

1)Please don't tell me "Tax returns don't reveal total wealth." We know this already.
2)Also, don't ask me, "Well how many successful businesses has Clinton run?" The reason we're not asking this is because business is not her claim to qualification. That's why her political past is being dissected instead of her business experience. Conversely, Donald's lack of political office is why we're dissecting (or attempting to dissect) his business instead of his history in political office.

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He has filed complete disclosures re his wealth and holdings as required by virtue of his being a candidate. His success is a given. His holdings are worldwide. There is no qualification for president that says one must be rich. Even that one must be successful. He is, however, both.

His supporters don't care. You and yours care. So I repeat! The only reason these things are an issue is because the left wants to beat him over the head with them.

If I were Donald Trump I would NEVER release my income tax information. If it's so damned important, let Congress pass a law...which would most likely be found unconstitutional.

MaggieD said:

He has filed complete disclosures re his wealth and holdings as required by virtue of his being a candidate.

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That must be why nobody knows what he is worth.

His success is a given.

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No, his success is assumed. Big difference.

His holdings are worldwide.

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Obscure and meaningless.

MaggieD said:

There is no qualification for president that says one must be rich. Even that one must be successful. He is, however, both.

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And we come back full circle (in only two posts, no less) to your confusion as to why this is a point of contention. It's because (here we go again): Trump has held no political office and his claim to qualification for being President is his wealth and success in business, the facts of which he has made a point to obscure.

MaggieD said:

His supporters don't care. You and yours care. So I repeat! The only reason these things are an issue is because the left wants to beat him over the head with them.

If I were Donald Trump I would NEVER release my income tax information. If it's so damned important, let Congress pass a law...which would most likely be found unconstitutional.

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Cardinal said:

That must be why nobody knows what he is worth.



No, his success is assumed. Big difference.



Obscure and meaningless.



And we come back full circle (in only two posts, no less) to your confusion as to why this is a point of contention. It's because (here we go again): Trump has held no political office and his claim to qualification for being President is his wealth and success in business, the facts of which he has made a point to obscure.

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Let the voters decide. His supporters don't give a damn.

MaggieD said:

Let the voters decide. His supporters don't give a damn.

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If you don't care, that's absolutely fine. But are you going to pretend again that you don't understand why it's brought up?