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Trump V Clinton - Who won the debate? [W:552]

Trump V ClintonWho won the debate?

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Boo Radley said:
It wasn't close. Clinton hands down the winner.
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I mentioned earlier, Trump did well for the first 20 to 30 minutes or so, then he derailed himself, biting at any slight that Hillary sent his way.
 


This is how it feels being a Libertarian and watching GOP and rat voters proclaiming their candidates superiority.
 
JANFU said:
I mentioned earlier, Trump did well for the first 20 to 30 minutes or so, then he derailed himself, biting at any slight that Hillary sent his way.
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No stamina. Sad!
 
Pretty clear Clinton won.

...In the CNN poll, which used responses from 521 people, Clinton was declared the winner by a large margin—62% thought she won, as opposed to 27% who thought Trump won (the rest were undecided).

Despite that, however, a number of online polls said the Republican candidate won, with some votes as high as 73%. In virtually all cases, those polls were non-scientific, meaning the makeup of those who responded did not necessarily reflect the population of likely voters. In many cases, the protections against people voting more than once was also minimal.

At least one of the polls appeared to be an outright fake: The Drudge Report and a number of Trump supporters linked to a supposed ABC poll showing that Trump won 54% of the vote and Clinton just 10%, but the poll was hosted by a site that mimicked ABC’s website.

Based on a number of posts on Twitter, the anarchic online community 4chan, and online message board Reddit, it appears as though Internet trolls ganged together to try to rig the online polls by using a number of tricks to game the results so that they would show Trump as victorious....
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JANFU said:
I mentioned earlier, Trump did well for the first 20 to 30 minutes or so, then he derailed himself, biting at any slight that Hillary sent his way.
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What's well? He benefits from low expectations. Here someone say he didn't explore, so he did well. Is that the standard? To be honest, I have no idea why he has supporters. I was ready to vote republican this cycle, but this is some one I could never vote for. He's really the last choice and I wouldn't vote for him if he was the only one running.
 
Boo Radley said:
What's well? He benefits from low expectations. Here someone say he didn't explore, so he did well. Is that the standard? To be honest, I have no idea why he has supporters. I was ready to vote republican this cycle, but this is some one I could never vote for. He's really the last choice and I wouldn't vote for him if he was the only one running.
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Yes he did benefit from that, but he was on message, then his very thin skin could not take it anymore and he went off the rails and then off the cliff. We shall see how he does in the Town Hall type debate.
 
JANFU said:
Yes he did benefit from that, but he was on message, then his very thin skin could not take it anymore and he went off the rails and then off the cliff. We shall see how he does in the Town Hall type debate.
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The debates are finished and he never did master it. He made some improvement, but he never could keep full control. And his unwillingness to say he'll accept the results is very irresponsible. This could lead to violence. As a people, we need to examine where this all went wrong.
 
Boo Radley said:
The debates are finished and he never did master it. He made some improvement, but he never could keep full control. And his unwillingness to say he'll accept the results is very irresponsible. This could lead to violence. As a people, we need to examine where this all went wrong.
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The base in both Parties are tired of the elites running and not listening. Not getting things done, between the Oval office, Senate and the House it often appears to be 1 upmanship and high school games.
 
Boo Radley said:
The debates are finished and he never did master it. He made some improvement, but he never could keep full control. And his unwillingness to say he'll accept the results is very irresponsible. This could lead to violence. As a people, we need to examine where this all went wrong.
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"As a people, we need to examine where this all went wrong."

Absolute wisdom!

The truth is its been going wrong for a long time. Americans divided has blocked any attempt at real reform, people don't want to demand accountability or show it in their vote if it means the "other guys" win.

Had Trump not been an asshole, I figure Kasich could have beat her, but voting decisions are based on hate, and Trump brought a few tons of that to the debate. Frankly I think he's too stupid to know the significance of not guaranteeing a peaceful change of power. His mind is still in the shady deals and not the traditions of the land. I doubt he even knows at this juncture.

Blame the media, blame Hilary, blame Moscow, hell why not blame Canada as the real culprit is the voter. The voter who relies on a 15 second sound bite to determine which tribe they want to belong to.

Governments have not been elected on platform since FDR and the result has been two wealthy camps playing "gotcha" on a massive scale with deficits in the trillions. And its not going to change until the voter starts demanding accountability and elect a true reformer.

But you are right about it being high time it was done
 
Just a little clarification of one of Trump's claims.....

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JANFU said:
The base in both Parties are tired of the elites running and not listening. Not getting things done, between the Oval office, Senate and the House it often appears to be 1 upmanship and high school games.
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Which makes no sense as they're in part responsible for nothing getting done. You can't hate the other side and refuse to compromise and get anything done. Hillary's pragmatic deal making side is what really works in accomplishing anything. And wasn't it thses voters who chose someone like trump who is the least likely of the bunch to accomplish a single thing?
 
Fearandloathing said:
"As a people, we need to examine where this all went wrong."

Absolute wisdom!

The truth is its been going wrong for a long time. Americans divided has blocked any attempt at real reform, people don't want to demand accountability or show it in their vote if it means the "other guys" win.

Had Trump not been an asshole, I figure Kasich could have beat her, but voting decisions are based on hate, and Trump brought a few tons of that to the debate. Frankly I think he's too stupid to know the significance of not guaranteeing a peaceful change of power. His mind is still in the shady deals and not the traditions of the land. I doubt he even knows at this juncture.

Blame the media, blame Hilary, blame Moscow, hell why not blame Canada as the real culprit is the voter. The voter who relies on a 15 second sound bite to determine which tribe they want to belong to.

Governments have not been elected on platform since FDR and the result has been two wealthy camps playing "gotcha" on a massive scale with deficits in the trillions. And its not going to change until the voter starts demanding accountability and elect a true reformer.

But you are right about it being high time it was done
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As much as I disagree with Kasich, I'd have considered voting for him. But I think we have to look at the role of the electorate as much as anyone.
 
Boo Radley said:
Which makes no sense as they're in part responsible for nothing getting done. You can't hate the other side and refuse to compromise and get anything done. Hillary's pragmatic deal making side is what really works in accomplishing anything. And wasn't it thses voters who chose someone like trump who is the least likely of the bunch to accomplish a single thing?
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Oh it makes sense. Obama came into office and did not try to build relationships with the R side. In 09 he had control of both houses. No reach out. Then both houses changed. And they had no wish to work with Obama.
The base in both parties saw dysfunction. Both parties gave outsiders a hefty amount of votes in this primary, Trump winning and Bernie doing so well. And Bernie started off with nothing compared to the Clinton side, from funding, to pledged SDelegates.
Both have to give something, otherwise nothing gets done.
That is what the average voter saw.
 
Boo Radley said:
As much as I disagree with Kasich, I'd have considered voting for him. But I think we have to look at the role of the electorate as much as anyone.
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The line about Kasich was intended to show how week was Hilary. After listening to Americans hate each other and conduct themselves as they have in this election I do not give a **** which twit gets to have to try to lead a nation of hate.

It is said that 'you deserve the government you elect"
 
JANFU said:
Oh it makes sense. Obama came into office and did not try to build relationships with the R side. In 09 he had control of both houses. No reach out. Then both houses changed. And they had no wish to work with Obama.
The base in both parties saw dysfunction. Both parties gave outsiders a hefty amount of votes in this primary, Trump winning and Bernie doing so well. And Bernie started off with nothing compared to the Clinton side, from funding, to pledged SDelegates.
Both have to give something, otherwise nothing gets done.
That is what the average voter saw.
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Perhaps, but a party that said they'd oppose anything he tried to do wasn't really helping either. And the early disrespect, remember the "you lie" comment? Well, I'm just saying that is a two way street.

So, the point was, you can't say never compromise, never make a deal, never trade, never accept anything but total victory of our belief and get anything done. Nor can you elect candidates who have to adhere to that silly mindset. And the voters share some, maybe even a large share, of the blame on this front.

But we agree that both sides have to give.
 
Fearandloathing said:
The line about Kasich was intended to show how week was Hilary. After listening to Americans hate each other and conduct themselves as they have in this election I do not give a **** which twit gets to have to try to lead a nation of hate.

It is said that 'you deserve the government you elect"
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Well, I prefer the best possible choice, even through the bar towards the top this election is lower than usual.
 
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