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Is there a war on boys?

Is there a war on boys?


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How did things get this way? I think its due to single parent households, which probably weren't as common when you were growing up. Nowadays it's pretty much normal for boys to live with their moms, while dad in living on his own in another city or state.

Divorce really ****ed things up on many levels.

I agree that divorce is hard on parents and kids do better when both parents are there. However, divorce rates have fallen by quite a bit for this generation of kids compared to the last couple of generations.

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How did things get this way? I think its due to single parent households, which probably weren't as common when you were growing up. Nowadays it's pretty much normal for boys to live with their moms, while dad in living on his own in another city or state.

Divorce really ****ed things up on many levels.

Could be you are correct. I think that is certainly part of it. My answer however is the Pill. Perhaps the single greatest western societal change agent in 100 years. Pussification is one of the unintended consequences.

The Pill truly emancipated women. Got them out of the house. Got them into most levels of the work world. That in and of itself is a good thing.

I have never had a problem with women being treated as equals. But, sweet Jesus, they are different from men. I like that as well. But somehow we've forgotten or ignored the differences. As Fred Reed said in the article, "If women wanted to start a bar for women only, men would not care. If men want a private club in which to enjoy male company, women explode in fury. Totalitarian."

Women became emancipated via the Pill and it wasn't too long after that they wanted men places to be accessible to them.
 
I thought this was a well thought out analysis, and done by an academic feminist.

The OP is MRA non-sense but there is truth to boys being left behind.

 
i'm sure everyone just got high in the bathroom. Trying to change someone's nature is sure to backfire. You have to make them *want* to pay attention, like actual quality teaching, and at the rate teachers are paid almost everywhere, that's just unlikely

Some teachers work their asses off to give their students a quality education no matter how much money they make.
 
School is not about teaching boys to be "men." Kids of both genders need to sit still, pay attention, learn their lessons, do their homework, participate in discussions, and pass tests. Yes, the boys need to read Little House on the Prairie or some such sometimes. And girls need to read The Last of the Mohicans or some such sometimes. That's what education is about.

To teach a child that he doesn't have to read a book because he doesn't want to and would rather read something else is wrong. Kids have to read a variety of materials, to get a broad based education.

Even in college, if you go for an engineering degree, you have to take courses in other areas, to provide a broad based education, learn about something besides just one field. All things in the world are related. You will always learn something from any book.

Besides, studies have shown that boys are favored in school. Turn in a paper with a boy's name and a girl's name, and it's likely to get a higher grade if it has a boy's name on it. Boys are called on in class more often. Boys are more often nurtured and encouraged to show an interest in some field, to prepare for making a career or living.

Girls excel at certain things over boys when they are younger. Everyone knows that girls mature faster in this way. Girl babies usually talk and walk before boy babies.

This changes at puberty, when boys mature a little more, and girls catch on that boys may not like you if you're too smart. Girls also fall behind in science and math, as they face teachers who assume girls won't do well in those subjects, and boys don't like girls who are too smart at science and math.

War on boys? Hogwash. No one in this country has been coddled more and encouraged more and helped more that young boys, esp if they're white. And THAT is what is not good for boys.

You write a lot to support nonsense. I suspect you're an example of what many women want.
 
From your article:

I thought that this part would confuse you:

In fact, the opposite seemed to occur: the well-socialized boys received a small grade “bonus” for their good behavior relative to other boys, suggesting that teachers may be overcompensating when they encounter boys whose behavior exceeds expectations. In other words, boys who match girls on both test scores and behavior get better grades than girls do, but boys who don’t are graded more harshly.

It is saying that they expect less from boys so when they perform like girls they get bonuses but when they behave like boys they are punished.
 
Some teachers work their asses off to give their students a quality education no matter how much money they make.

I don't... but I applaud those that do.
 
Could be you are correct. I think that is certainly part of it. My answer however is the Pill. Perhaps the single greatest western societal change agent in 100 years. Pussification is one of the unintended consequences.

The Pill truly emancipated women. Got them out of the house. Got them into most levels of the work world. That in and of itself is a good thing.

I have never had a problem with women being treated as equals. But, sweet Jesus, they are different from men. I like that as well. But somehow we've forgotten or ignored the differences. As Fred Reed said in the article, "If women wanted to start a bar for women only, men would not care. If men want a private club in which to enjoy male company, women explode in fury. Totalitarian."

Women became emancipated via the Pill and it wasn't too long after that they wanted men places to be accessible to them.

You made some good points. Women have the right to work, vote, do whatever they want, but the myth that says women and men are the same really needs to be debunked before all common sense is lost.

I really think divorce and the breakdown of families is what has led to a lot of the problems we're dealing with today. When kids are brought up thinking that having a mom and a dad is weird, its no wonder why they think that 'gender is a social construct' or that there should be no consequences to bad behavior.

PS If women want to start a bar that men aren't allowed to frequent, I'm fine with that. In fact put this bar down the street from my house, and make it happy hour all day on Sunday when football is on.
 
I forgot and no mod has created one yet... sorry. My bad.

No worries, hey I've wanted to make polls here and couldn't make heads or tails of wtf I was doing :lol:

Anybody got a tutorial for how to make a poll?
 
No worries, hey I've wanted to make polls here and couldn't make heads or tails of wtf I was doing :lol

Anybody got a tutorial for how to make a poll?

I forget almost every time that you have to click create poll and it takes you to a second page...
 
No, male white privilege is still alive and kicking, it may have been even worse for women in the past but by no means is it equal yet. Males still hold most of the power, most of the money, most of the property, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

So, NO, there is no war on boys, there is a war on for equal rights for girls.
 
... Why... why didn't she say that sons can also marry sons?
 
OK, here is my take.

1. There is no "war against boys".

2. They are correct that boys are falling behind educationally.

3. They are largely wrong about the cause and the solution.

The reason why boys are falling behind educationally is not that they don't get to read their favorite books or teachers don't understand that boys will be boys and all that stuff. Its because schools are far less authoritarian and structured than they used to be and most boys need that strict structure to thrive. I have 3 kids. 2 girls and a boy. Girls respond well to carrots, with boys you need the stick too. That is the biggest problem with boys in schools today, its all carrots and few sticks.
I think I'm with this guy!

I guess it's me and my family's pretty much exclusive Catholic School educations!

Reading, Writing, & 'Rithmetic - don't spare the rod! :thumbs:
 
Men are supposed to be dangerous, too dangerous to let run around unneutered. What you call a war those doing the work call utopia building, all in a good day work, gotta make the world a better place, gotta tame those males. Get em early, and what ever it takes.
 
IS there a war on boys?



No, but I do think there are certain factors working against them in today's society.

Basically, we're now living in a world where physical factors like strength, stamina, and endurance (i.e. basically all the fields in which men have an advantage over women) are almost irrelevant. What really pays the bills these days is the ability to follow completely arbitrary rules while not making waves, and to convincingly throw a big phony smile on your face and smooze your peers or superiors when you want something from them.

Women are simply better at those things than men are. :shrug:

They're especially better at it than young men, who tend to be restless and incautious at best, aggressive and abrasive at worst, and are generally afforded little respect or social credibility as such.

Young women, on the other hand, are basically at the peak of their social social worth and ability. People are inclined to treat them favorably just because they're bubbly and physically attractive.

Men tend to only gradually develop their standing in society as they age, and accumulate a bit of personal gravitas to back them up.
 
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Really? Example...

Really? You want examples for women fighting for equal rights? How about equal pay? How about the fight for abortion rights aka the right to self determination and medical privacy free from government/male interference? How about the glass ceiling in business, politics, jobs, etc. etc. etc.

Examples are plenty and not really going away.

How about that judge that said "why she didn't keep her legs close" when a woman was raped? How about men getting away with crimes against women time and time again (or just getting a slap on the wrist)?

Or how about Trump disparaging women in the armed forces? That the military should have known that women were going to get raped if put in close proximity to men. That kind of ignorance is what women are fighting against.
 
No. It's complete MRA claptrap.

There is something to it, but it's exaggerated with rhetoric. A lot of these things aren't a systemic war on boys. Sometimes there is a gender bias in, say, school definitions of classroom management, but it's often upheld and extended by male authority figures like education administrators.
 
IS there a war on boys?



If a boy has been well socialized and goes on to a good education he will make more money and rise further on average.
 
. Its because schools are far less authoritarian and structured than they used to be and most boys need that strict structure to thrive.

I think that's heavily debatable. Not only have interstate discipline procedures gone out of whack, but a lot of educational leaders and ground-level teachers get into incredibly petty control struggles, which end up exacerbating whatever minor "offence" happened.
 
Dumb video is dumb.

Typical PragerU BS.

Its arguments seemed reasonable, and remarkably non-offensive.

I fail to see the reason for all the Lefty outrage, quite frankly. :shrug:

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Of course.

And not only does that need backing up, but the numerous underlying premises (re: that channeling & suppressing are even happening, that natural instincts such as competitiveness are exclusive to men, how these all these changes happen/interact at diff stages of life etc etc etc) also need backing up.



Ok.. so prove it.

LOL

Okay... Well, nevermind then. :roll:

Arguing with the "there is no biological difference in temperament or behavior between men and women" crowd is, by definition, a waste of time. Commonly observable (let alone scientific) reality is intrinsically alien to them, and they tend to dismiss any facts which run contrary to their whimsical fantasies as ideological heresy.
 
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It's sad, I watch the video and all I can think of is that it has nothing to do with boys, its the inability for the public education to reform. Its unable to for only one significant reason, those in power (the teachers unions) don't want change. They would prefer fewer students per teacher, higher pay, larger benefits, and to keep summers off. Everyone else, go F yourself.
What, you hate public schools? You can't do anything about it...the best you can do is pay for private..dramatically increasing your tuition cost, on top of the school tax you already pay. It's a gamed system to be sure.

While often true in isolation from this topic, the unions can't be a catch-all target for why the public education system is fouled up. In many ways, attacking the union is letting teachers off the hook, even though the union is made up of teachers, because it's isolated to just one organization, when it's so much deeper than that.

It's a pedagogical issue that is being instilled into teacher candidates, expanded and reinforced by school administrators, exacerbated by public outcry for dealing with upcoming social crises like "super-predators" (one of the social scientific rationales for creating zero tolerance policies), and so on. The profession has kind of fetished "compliance" to such an extent that if a student isn't using the teacher's preferred size for a notebook, that's enough to start a fight between student and teacher (which will lead to administrative intervention against the student). An elementary school student could be tapping their desk repeatedly because of the beat or the stimulated relief, and one would think they threatened your family. Independent-minded students, perhaps filled with teenage bluster and ineloquence, say something uncouth, and that teacher may end up disliking that kid's presence in their classroom.

Schools have long had a problem with dealing with "behavior issues," but in many respects it's become a bit too systematized and routine. Add in the lack of physical outlets for these youth (i.e. recess, non-completely restricted classroom seating arrangements), and you have a significant subsection of youth that are disproportionately male that are going to have problems "fitting the mold." Confidence, even the audacity to disagree with an instructor, is taken with great offense and retaliation begins.

This affects girls too.
 
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