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Do you support protecting Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity under...[W:174,331]

Do you support protecting Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity under civil rights?

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LaylaWindu

LaylaWindu

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IMO Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity will be nationally protected in our lifetime. Because of those who are trying to discrimination and or even make laws against us based on those criteria it will happen through case precedent. Many states, companies and jurisdictions already protect us based on this criteria including the government, so I feel it's just a matter of time. But my question is, if there was a vote on it how would you vote?


Do you support protecting Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity under civil rights?

Yes Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity
Yes but ONLY Sexual orientation
Yes but ONLY Gender Identity
No Neither
No I'm against ALL civil rights
Other
 
Re: Do you support protecting Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity under civil righ

They already are protected under civil rights act... the BOR... ERA amendment... all set the precedent.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
They already are protected under civil rights act... the BOR... ERA amendment... all set the precedent.
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Who is they?
 
Re: Do you support protecting Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity under civil righ

I am for making it law that U R either M or F, and you are either straight, gay, or Bi, them be your choices, your only choices.

Pick and try to stay with what U pick.

Please.

THANX.
 
Re: Do you support protecting Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity under civil righ

LaylaWindu said:
IMO Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity will be nationally protected in our lifetime. Because of those who are trying to discrimination and or even make laws against us based on those criteria it will happen through case precedent. Many states, companies and jurisdictions already protect us based on this criteria including the government, so I feel it's just a matter of time. But my question is, if there was a vote on it how would you vote?

Do you support protecting Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity under civil rights?

Yes Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity
Yes but ONLY Sexual orientation
Yes but ONLY Gender Identity
No Neither
No I'm against ALL civil rights
Other
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I voted "other" for the following reasons.

1. I believe firmly in the existence of Sexual Orientation (the spectrum of heterosexual, bisexual, and homosexual [which includes lesbians]). I believe it is a biological imperative imprinted by DNA, hormones as the fetus is developing, or a combination of both. Thus, I consider this something like one's skin color, eye color, hair type, etc., i.e. an inherent characteristic outside of the control of the individual. Like race, sex, age, etc., this is clearly something that should be protected.

2. Gender Identity I am not so certain of. As a libertarian I believe a person has a right to live their life in whatever manner they choose, even how they perceive themselves in regards to gender. However, unless they are actually undergoing a transgender progression leading to a sex change, I don't believe anyone should be required by law to adhere to their expectations. For example, I am not going to call anyone Xe, Xer, or any of the other new-speak labels; nor will I accept the label "cis-gendered."

That's because I believe that there are only TWO genders; male and female in species Homo Sapiens. If you are a female and believe you are a male? I'll accept your belief and call you he, him, or man. Same for a male who believe he is a female; I'll call him any of the female pronouns. Moreover, I don't care which restroom you prefer to use, or how you like to dress, because it's not important to me. I don't feel threatened by it.

But a trans person already has all the civil rights a citizen is entitled to. So until science confirms this...variety of genders, I'll stick with my position. You can do what you will with your own life, but don't expect everyone to accept and affirm that belief system. Nor should it be a legal requirement.
 
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No, we should all have the same legal protections, no special "protected classes". One law for all.
 
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Goshin said:
No, we should all have the same legal protections, no special "protected classes". One law for all.
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WOW MAN, that is a radical idea.

Treat everyone the same...

Sounds vaguely familiar.

:confused:
 
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Goshin said:
No, we should all have the same legal protections, no special "protected classes". One law for all.
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Which is why we should have protections for sexual orientation and gender identity.
 
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LaylaWindu said:
Who is they?
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Everybody... and it is your thread...
 
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Goshin said:
No, we should all have the same legal protections, no special "protected classes". One law for all.
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We already do...
 
Re: Do you support protecting Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity under civil righ

LaylaWindu said:
IMO Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity will be nationally protected in our lifetime. Because of those who are trying to discrimination and or even make laws against us based on those criteria it will happen through case precedent. Many states, companies and jurisdictions already protect us based on this criteria including the government, so I feel it's just a matter of time. But my question is, if there was a vote on it how would you vote?


Do you support protecting Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity under civil rights?

Yes Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity
Yes but ONLY Sexual orientation
Yes but ONLY Gender Identity
No Neither
No I'm against ALL civil rights
Other
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"All humans are equal and so are transsexuals"? All humans are equal and so are Blacks? Women too are equal to humans? Personally, I find that rather racist and deprecatory of those groupe of humans, implying as it does that they are hardly human but only equal to them.
 
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Definitely, LGBT people should be effectively protected against violence and discrimination.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
They already are protected under civil rights act... the BOR... ERA amendment... all set the precedent.
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Yep. But I didn't know that ERA had been ratified.
 
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SCitizen said:
Definitely, LGBT people should be effectively protected against violence and discrimination.
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They are. The protection is just not enforced.
 
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joG said:
The protection is just not enforced.
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It must be enforced better.
 
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SCitizen said:
It must be enforced better.
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That is a valid and smart demand. A law making LGBTs equal is not.
 
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joG said:
A law making LGBTs equal is not.
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Only LGBT can speak for themselves. I am not LGBT.

I have a Disability -- Depression plus Asperger's. People who do not fit in are not helped in USA.
 
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joG said:
Yep. But I didn't know that ERA had been ratified.
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Yeah. It passed Congress but not the states... three short. My bad.

Point still stands. You avoided that. LOL.
 
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SCitizen said:
Only LGBT can speak for themselves. I am not LGBT.

I have a Disability -- Depression plus Asperger's. People who do not fit in are not helped in USA.
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Now we are talking very different things, though, there seem to be a number of people here that can well argue that transsexualism and possibly homosexuality are disabilities of a kind. It seems the prior can be surgically and medicinally treated, while the other cannot. What the question was, was the equality issue and whether all humans are equal as well as LGBT and, if you want, the challenged. That is a question I thought had been answered long ago by saying all the above are human, but then so is a zygote.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Yeah. It passed Congress but not the states... three short. My bad.

Point still stands. You avoided that. LOL.
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Which point? That it is disingenuous to say all humans are equal and that Blacks, Women and LGBTs must be treated equal too? ;)
 
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joG said:
Now we are talking very different things, though, there seem to be a number of people here that can well argue that transsexualism and possibly homosexuality are disabilities of a kind.
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Not disabilities but disadvantages based on Society's view of them.
 
Re: Do you support protecting Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity under civil righ

LaylaWindu said:
IMO Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity will be nationally protected in our lifetime. Because of those who are trying to discrimination and or even make laws against us based on those criteria it will happen through case precedent. Many states, companies and jurisdictions already protect us based on this criteria including the government, so I feel it's just a matter of time. But my question is, if there was a vote on it how would you vote?


Do you support protecting Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity under civil rights?

Yes Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity
Yes but ONLY Sexual orientation
Yes but ONLY Gender Identity
No Neither
No I'm against ALL civil rights
Other
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At what age would want these rights Layla? I am all for mature people being happy about themselves, and doing whatever makes them happy within the scope of not hurting anyone else. If laws are really needed to protect the LBGT, then I would be in full support of them. Life is hard enough already, and I have been around enough LBGT to see their struggles.

But, I am against parents and children making these decisions for example.............a 9 yr. old. A young kid could flip flop overnight with he/she believes and thinks.

I dunno.......what do you think?
 
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No. all anti-discrimination laws should be repealed. I do not support expanding bad ideas that violate the rights of the people.

Also, forcing people to call someone a he when they want to call them a she or vice versa is simply a violation of their first amendment rights.
 
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SCitizen said:
Not disabilities but disadvantages based on Society's view of them.
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In the case of someone requiring costly medications and major surgery to function, it has little to do with society or disadvantage. Such a person is severely challenged judging by what they write in the fora. Why, some even want the government or health insurance to pay for their treatment.
As for homosexuals you are right that it is a diadvangage not to enjoy reproductive sex and that it depends on the society how great the challenge is. In Darwinian terms it will tend to reduce the probability of offspring and would be a disability of sorts.
 
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joG said:
In the case of someone requiring costly medications and major surgery to function, it has little to do with society or disadvantage. Such a person is severely challenged judging by what they write in the fora. Why, some even want the government or health insurance to pay for their treatment.
As for homosexuals you are right that it is a diadvangage not to enjoy reproductive sex and that it depends on the society how great the challenge is. In Darwinian terms it will tend to reduce the probability of offspring and would be a disability of sorts.
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First, many heterosexuals do not enjoy reproductive sex. They go out of their way to not have it in fact, including ensuring they never reproduce.

Second you don't have to have reproductive sex to reproduce. Both same sex partners can pass on their genes, including under the right circumstances passing on family genes of both to two (at least) different children. The goal is passing on genes of your family. For instance if I have a gay brother who has a husband with a sister of his own, each sister could donate eggs to use in IVF for their brother in law to fertilize, making the children each have genes from both families and both men would be passing down their genes as well.

We already have reduced the possibility of offspring in so many other ways even for heterosexual couples that it really doesn't matter.


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