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If the election were held today … cast your vote.

If the election were held today who would you vote for?

  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 36 42.9%

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 20 23.8%

  • Other

    Votes: 28 33.3%
  • Total voters
    84
  • Poll closed .
Tick tock, Clarice.

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I voted Trump, just for the s**** and giggles.
 
Sparky2 said:
The challenge was for Cardinal to name three right off the top of his head, not for a devout Hillary fan to post a partisan-political link.

Thanks anyway, dear.
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You think I'm a Hillary fan?

BWAHAHA! That couldn't be further from the truth.
 
Please bear in mind, I don't even like Donald Trump.

I supported, strongly, James Webb (D) of Virginia going into this election season.

But he's the lesser of two evils, sadly.

Hillary is just too crooked and dishonest.
 
TheGoverness said:
I know it's not off of the top of my head, but here's a list of false statements Donald Trump has made, if your interested.

All False statements involving Donald Trump | PolitiFact
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That's all well and good, but it's never quite as entertaining without a comparison.

Hillary Clinton's file | PolitiFact

Percentage of Clinton's comments rated false or outright lies: 13%. Percentage of Donald's comments rated false or outright lies: 53%. Literally the majority of everything he says is a lie or just completely wrong.
 
.....AND, time is up Cardinal.

If you have to do a web-search, then your claim that Donald is 4 times as dishonest as Hillary just doesn't hold water with me.
 
Sparky2 said:
.....AND, time is up Cardinal.

If you have to do a web-search, then your claim that Donald is 4 times as dishonest as Hillary just doesn't hold water with me.
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The "time may be up," as you hilariously say, but the numbers are still there and Donald is still four times as dishonest.
 
Sparky2 said:
.....AND, time is up Cardinal.

If you have to do a web-search, then your claim that Donald is 4 times as dishonest as Hillary just doesn't hold water with me.
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But there's evidence to back that up, so....
 
Cardinal said:
The "time may be up," as you hilariously say, but the numbers are still there and Donald is still four times as dishonest.
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You're missing the point.

You couldn't name three right off the top of your head.
That speaks to a partisan-political bias against Trump, rather that your personal knowledge of the man.

And I trust Politifact.com just about as much as I trust Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, which is to say, "Not at all".
 
Andalublue said:
I voted Trump, just for the s**** and giggles.
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I voted Trump because for me he is the only choice we have. I cannot vote for Gary Johnson though I have met him personally and love him as a person, but I think his weaknesses coupled with having no party base to work with and dubious judgment on what people to surround himself with make him a wrong choice. Hillary would be Obama II except on steroids and I just don't want to have to bear four or eight more years of that. Jill Stein isn't even on anybody's radar.

So that leave us with the Donald, an imperfect man, an imperfect candidate, an imperfect choice, but the only one I see that has any chance to save the Supreme Court and shake up the status quo that simply has to happen if we are going to get back on track. The permanent political class that controls both parties in Washington won't do it. And they oppose Trump because they are terrified he will. I think they secretly hope Hillary wins so they can continue building their power, influence, and personal wealth unimpeded.
 
Sparky2 said:
You're missing the point.

You couldn't name three right off the top of your head.
That speaks to a partisan-political bias against Trump, rather that your personal knowledge of the man.

And I trust Politifact.com just about as much as I trust Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, which is to say, "Not at all".
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I wasn't playing your stupid game. The lies are catalogued and there for anybody to see. And if it weren't for Politifact you wouldn't even know any of Clinton's lies past the Bosnian Sniper incident.
 
Cardinal said:
I wasn't playing your stupid game. The lies are catalogued and there for anybody to see. And if it weren't for Politifact you wouldn't even know any of Clinton's lies past the Bosnian Sniper incident.
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My my my, getting a bit touchy aren't we, dear lad?

Just admit that you are a partisan cheerleader for Hillary Clinton, and then we can be buddies.

I don't read politifact, I do my own independent research.
And I have studied Hillary Clinton for decades now.
I vote FOR her husband for President, the first time he ran against Geo HW Bush.
I voted against him the next time around, and voted for H Ross Perot.

Hillary's crookedness, selfishness, and dishonesty is not only a matter of public record, I have spent decades of my life observing her in action.

I don't need a partisan-political website like Politifact to spoon-feed me my opinions.
I am a fully formed, independent free-thinker.

I dislike Donald Trump, this much is true.
But I cannot stand the crooked, dishonest Hillary Clinton.
So, there it is.

Trump is the lesser of two evils, and that is how I will proceed with my vote in November.
 
Dion said:
If the election were held today who would you vote for or not?

Poll times out in 3 days.
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I picked other.
Darrell Castle if my state does not screw him out of ballot access. or I leave that part of the blank. I don't believe in voting for the lesser of two evils.
 
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Sparky2 said:
My my my, getting a bit touchy aren't we, dear lad?

Just admit that you are a partisan cheerleader for Hillary Clinton, and then we can be buddies.

I don't read politifact, I do my own independent research.
And I have studied Hillary Clinton for decades now.
I vote FOR her husband for President, the first time he ran against Geo HW Bush.
I voted against him the next time around, and voted for H Ross Perot.

Hillary's crookedness, selfishness, and dishonesty is not only a matter of public record, I have spent decades of my life observing her in action.

I don't need a partisan-political website like Politifact to spoon-feed me my opinions.
I am a fully formed, independent free-thinker.

I dislike Donald Trump, this much is true.
But I cannot stand the crooked, dishonest Hillary Clinton.
So, there it is.

Trump is the lesser of two evils, and that is how I will proceed with my vote in November.
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My my my, just look at that inverse proportional graph.

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You're still missing the point, friend Cardinal.

I don't trust the opinions of politifact.com,
I don't trust the motives or opinions of die-hard liberal Hillary Clinton cheerleaders like yourself (nothing personal),
and I am my own man.

I do my own homework, and I don't care to be spoon-fed my thoughts and opinions.

Nothing you can say would ever sway an educated, objective, learned independent like myself to vote for Hillary Clinton.
She belongs in prison, not the White House.

Really, no hard feelings.
I just believe you are wrong like a a priest and an altar boy in a hot-tub on this one, pal.
 
Sparky2 said:
You're still missing the point, friend Cardinal.

I don't trust the opinions of politifact.com,
I don't trust the motives or opinions of die-hard liberal Hillary Clinton cheerleaders like yourself (nothing personal),
and I am my own man.

I do my own homework, and I don't care to be spoon-fed my thoughts and opinions.

Nothing you can say would ever sway an educated, objective, learned independent like myself to vote for Hillary Clinton.
She belongs in prison, not the White House.

Really, no hard feelings.
I just believe you are wrong like a a priest and an altar boy in a hot-tub on this one, pal.
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Your "homework" is far right wing conspiracy theory websites which rely on Politifact in order to have a catalogue of Clinton's actual falsehoods in the first place.

33 lies/falsehoods by Clinton to 132 lies/falsehoods by Donald. Dayum. It's like he figured out that if he can promote the idea to his followers that Clinton is the liar, then he can get away with telling infinity lies.
 
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mike2810 said:
Other

None of the above, Parties need to start over and find new candidates. The two running would be banned from running again.
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Who is going to "ban" anyone from running, and why?
 
Cardinal said:
Your "homework" is far right wing conspiracy theory websites which rely on Politifact in order to have a catalogue of Clinton's actual falsehoods in the first place.
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An absurd and patently-false notion.

It's a convenient fantasy of yours, friend Cardinal.

Not at all based upon facts or demonstrated posting behaviors on my part.

I have voted for just as many Democrat presidential candidates as I have Republicans.
I supported James Webb (D) going into this race, because he had the best credentials and a reputation for honesty and integrity.
My two favorite Presidents of all time are Jimmy Carter (D) and Harry S Truman (D).

Face it, your desire to paint me as some sort of reich-winger is both wrong, and rapidly becoming tiresome and tedious.

Give it up, and move on to some other meaningful endeavor, I ask you most politely.
 
I will be voting other this election.

McMullin will not get on the ballot in Ohio because our laws make it very difficult and we have really early deadlines. But he did manage to get on 10 states and another 10 states as a write-in and they are still pursuing other states through the courts.

Johnson is on the ballot in all 50 states. His Aleppo moment went viral but I doubt it hurt him with his supporters but it might with those seeking another option.

Stein is in some hot water. She is expected to face charges for alleged vandalism or trespassing at a North Dakota construction site.
Stein spray painted construction equipment while protesting alongside approximately 200 people at a Dakota Access Pipeline work site on Tuesday, according to a ND newspaper.

Democratic party is suing to have Trump's name removed from the ballot in MN claiming they did not meet all the proper requirements before the deadline.

Then there's the Constitution party. Great name but......................

And there is always the option of none of the above.

IMHO, lesser of two evils is still evil. Sometimes refusing to vote for the unacceptable options is protesting your disgust. And protests are often key in bringing about needed change.

Come October when Clinton and Trump get done with each other, I think there will be a whole lot more looking for a third option.
 
Sparky2 said:
An absurd and patently-false notion.

It's a convenient fantasy of yours, friend Cardinal.

Not at all based upon facts or demonstrated posting behaviors on my part.

I have voted for just as many Democrat presidential candidates as I have Republicans.
I supported James Webb (D) going into this race, because he had the best credentials and a reputation for honesty and integrity.
My two favorite Presidents of all time are Jimmy Carter (D) and Harry S Truman (D).

Face it, your desire to paint me as some sort of reich-winger is both wrong, and rapidly becoming tiresome and tedious.

Give it up, and move on to some other meaningful endeavor, I ask you most politely.
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You have to rely on soundbites in order to believe that Clinton is the liarest liar that every lied. But if you objectively tabulate the lies you'll see that it's easily the reverse. Clinton's lies are actually kind of par with most any politician, but Donald lies in the way that one does because the truth is simply alien to him. That's why you have to retreat to conspiracy sites to continue believing the hype.
 
Cardinal said:
You have to rely on soundbites in order to believe that Clinton is the liarest liar that every lied. But if you objectively tabulate the lies you'll see that it's easily the reverse. Clinton's lies are actually kind of par with most any politician, but Donald lies in the way that one does because the truth is simply alien to him. That's why you have to retreat to conspiracy sites to continue believing the hype.
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You're not listening, sport.

I don't go to partisan political websites.

I'm 57 years old, laddie.
I have studied Hillary and Bill Clinton since (most likely) longer than you have been ALIVE.

This is strong and deeply-foundational stuff here, not whimsical partisan-political rhetoric.

She's a crook and a liar.
She's rotten to the core, and I will always vote against her.

Donald Trump, bombastic hot dog that he is, could drop dead today and I wouldn't care one iota.

And in November I would vote for a steaming, rheumy, fetid puddle of dog diarrhea before I would vote for Hillary Clinton.

So stop with the nonsense.
You don't sway me with your hyperbole and your silliness.

I'm voting against her, and always will.
 
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