Tonights military forum - who had the leadership?

[ecofarm]

I have seen plenty of people on here with a "grad school" background produce their own share of rhetoric, false narratives, and other foolishness. Critical thinking goes along with being open minded, and is more of a personality trait than it is being the result of secondary education.

Critical thinking is not a personality trait. It is learned. We are inclined, naturally so to speak, to come to conclusions and then seek evidence that supports our conclusion or twist evidence to that end. We are also naturally inclined to accept anecdotal evidence as proof. We are inclined to fear the unknown and distrust the unfamiliar. Only through formal education does one come to objective evaluation and the scientific method. If that stuff was natural, cavemen would have had cars.

You don't know that, nor can you prove it. So #1 is total nonsense. #2 is another nonsense statement that can't be substantiated.

My point in #1 is that the language he used allows his statement in regard to anything. It's just vague accusations, fill in the blank later. My point #2 is that any attempt to equate the US government and Putin, or the US and Russia, is extremely stupid and ignorant crap, and that garbage would only be accepted by people like Truthers.

Somehow, you apparently had no ****ing clue what I was talking about, and I've no ****ing clue what your objection is.

 

[RetiredUSN]

Critical thinking is not a personality trait. It is learned. We are inclined, naturally so to speak, to come to conclusions and then seek evidence that supports our conclusion or twist evidence to that end. We are also naturally inclined to accept anecdotal evidence as proof. We are inclined to fear the unknown and distrust the unfamiliar. Only through formal education does one come to objective evaluation and the scientific method. If that stuff was natural, cavemen would have had cars.





My point in #1 is that the language he used allows his statement in regard to anything. It's just vague accusations, fill in the blank later. My point #2 is that any attempt to equate the US government and Putin, or the US and Russia, is extremely stupid and ignorant crap, and that garbage would only be accepted by people like Truthers.

Somehow, you apparently had no ****ing clue what I was talking about, and I've no ****ing clue what your objection is.

Critical thinking is what brought us out of the stone ages, and it certainly wasn't being facilitated back then. There are many studies out their linking the variables of personality traits and reasoning.

 

[ecofarm]

Critical thinking is what brought us out of the stone ages, and it certainly wasn't being facilitated back then. There are many studies out their linking the variables of personality traits and reasoning.

You're claiming the most important reward of higher learning is really just a genetic thing. That's anti-intellectualism of a special kind. Could it be any more obvious you're just compensating with BS?

 

[RetiredUSN]

You're claiming the most important reward of higher learning is really just a genetic thing. That's anti-intellectualism of a special kind. Could it be any more obvious you're just compensating with BS?

I didn't say higher learning couldn't enhance the discipline.

It's been studied and proven that no matter how much you drill critical thought discipline into a body of people, that only a certain percentage of them will walk away actually using it effectively afterwards. People with certain personalities and dispositions are more likely to use the critical thinking. Do your own research before you play the BS ad hominem.

I didn't say higher learning couldn't enhance the discipline.

 

[ecofarm]

I didn't say higher learning couldn't enhance the discipline.

It's been studied and proven that no matter how much you drill critical thought discipline into a body of people, that only a certain percentage of them will walk away actually using it effectively afterwards. People with certain personalities and dispositions are more likely to use the critical thinking. Do your own research before you play the BS ad hominem.

I didn't say higher learning couldn't enhance the discipline.

Oh please, you claimed it was more genetics than schooling. Don't get all offended while backpedaling.

 

[RetiredUSN]

Oh please, you claimed it was more genetics than schooling. Don't get all offended while backpedaling.

My original words:
I have seen plenty of people on here with a "grad school" background produce their own share of rhetoric, false narratives, and other foolishness. Critical thinking goes along with being open minded, and is more of a personality trait than it is being the result of secondary education.

A person's genetics is linked to to personality but it is not the only factor in personality development. Also, people with certain personality traits tend to be more likely to use the process of critical thinking, regardless of being taught the process to begin with. Some people are born with many of the traits that enhance critical thinking.

And no.........I am not back peddling. I am laughing at your response for it's lack of any critical thinking.

 

[ecofarm]

Critical thinking goes along with being open minded, and is more of a personality trait than it is being the result of secondary education.

That's awfully self serving.

A person's genetics is linked to to personality but it is not the only factor in personality development. Also, people with certain personality traits tend to be more likely to use the process of critical thinking, regardless of being taught the process to begin with. Some people are born with many of the traits that enhance critical thinking.

Oh, please! As someone "inclined to critical thinking" by any measure, I'm here to tell you that education, military undergrad and grad, have greatly enhanced - are the foundation of - my critical thinking. An amount of critical thinking one could classify as rare is required just to get into grad school.

It's a height of self serving BS that you claim one can just be "born a good critical thinker". And your partisanship only illustrates the point.

And no.........I am not back peddling. I am laughing at your response for it's lack of any critical thinking.

Yeah, the guy with no grad school claiming it doesn't matter vs the guy with grad school claiming it does... a critical thinker could figure that out. Trying to downplay the importance of grad school in critical thinking is pathetically self serving and anti-intellectual.

 

[ecofarm]

Critical thinking is not only dependent, to a large extent, on grad school, it's the flat-out best indication of a person's critical thinking ability. It, like the scientific method, is learned. The people we most rely on for critical thinking: doctors, professors, judges and engineers, all have advanced degrees - as a qualification.

End of story.

 

[RetiredUSN]

That's awfully self serving.



Oh, please! As someone "inclined to critical thinking" by any measure, I'm here to tell you that education, military undergrad and grad, have greatly enhanced - are the foundation of - my critical thinking. An amount of critical thinking one could classify as rare is required just to get into grad school.

It's a height of self serving BS that you claim one can just be "born a good critical thinker". And your partisanship only illustrates the point.



Yeah, the guy with no grad school claiming it doesn't matter vs the guy with grad school claiming it does... a critical thinker could figure that out. Trying to downplay the importance of grad school in critical thinking is pathetically self serving and anti-intellectual.

You are the one hyping grad school as the source of critical thinking......and you are wrong! Colleges can enhance critical thinking, but not make a single person use the process. There are Jr. High kids out there who would surprise you with their ability as critical thinkers, and they haven't even sniffed a campus. There are too many college kids who just checked the boxes and continued on to the next party.

I have no grad school? No college courses? Are you sure of that?

I probably earned about 85 credit hours towards a CLEP while many peeps on here puking up strained peas sitting in a high chair. But, whether or not I ever used my credits towards a degree is another story. I could walk into ODU tomorrow and have a associates with minimal effort, and be well on my way to a BA to boot.

Another pointless answer...........thx!

 

[ecofarm]

Jr. High critical thinkers! hahaha

I guess so, depending on one's standard of measurement. Hang tightly to those "stupid college student" and "brainwashed grad student" myths, gramps. And let me know when a passionate opinion from your own "side" constitutes brainwashing.

 

[ecofarm]

thx!

Let's look at this two different ways, both of which expose the foundation of your claim:

1. Person A has not done something and claims it doesn't matter. Person B has done something and claims it does matter. For Person A to be wrong, the only explanation needed is ignorance, which is inherent to the scenario. For Person B to be wrong, Person B would need to be willfully deceitful. Now, what's more likely? That someone is wrong as a simple matter of ignorance, or that someone is being willfully deceitful? Occam's Razor that scenario.

2. Your claim of grad students being "brainwashed" lays clear your lack of critical thinking. Instead of accepting that someone gathered facts, interpreted them differently than you and came up with a different conclusion than you... no, no, that's not what happened. What happened is they got brainwashed! Yes, it's not a different opinion, it's a conspiracy!

Claiming that I am being willfully deceitful (instead of you just being wrong about something with which you have no experience) is borderline conspiracy theory (as I would be acting in some capacity to maintain a veil).

Claiming that people with different opinions are brainwashed (claiming grad school brainwashes people) is flat-out CT.

Neither of these intellectual "feats" by you are an indicator of critical thinking.

I highly suggest that you attend grad school immediately so that you can begin to reach conclusions other than "it's a conspiracy against me".