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"Global Citizenship" good or bad

"Global Citizenship" good or bad?

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Harry Guerrilla said:
It doesn't necessarily mean global government.
It's more of a philosophical concept founded in the cynics and later developed in stoicism.

It's more about mutual respect of the differing people of the world, regardless of nationality, race, things like that.
Although it doesn't mean you have to tolerate 100% of their beliefs.
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You can go with that if you want, I'll keep my opinion that it's more a prelude to global governance.
 
American said:
You can go with that if you want, I'll keep my opinion that it's more a prelude to global governance.
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It's a heady topic and open to the interpretation of the individual.
None the less, at it's root, it's not even close to global government as the cynics believed a lot of those institutions were false distractions and openly mocked them.
 
I believe we should focus on helping people be good local citizens first. I don't think you get people to live responsibly on a global scale until they learn how to get along with their neighbors.
 
X Factor said:
I'm not going to try to define the term/concept/idea of "global citizenship" but for those who have heard of it and have an opinon about it, do you think it's a good thing or a bad thing? Should people aspire to be good "global citizens"?
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It is not so much a question of good or bad. But certain aspects of sovereignty must be traded in or we will face a major war beween the great powers of mid century. The US had initiated the process with the UN and in 2005 the UN agreed with first steps.
In the meantime many nations have had second thoughts and the USA has not done much to further the process.
 
It obviously depends on what you mean by 'global citizen', but in so far as I regard it, as someone who has regard, concern and respect for all people (within reason, no, you don't have to be a proponent of psychopathic murderers), strives (even if he doesn't always ultimately succeed) to uphold even, reasonable and objective standards of justice that are blind to borders and race, and attempts to avoid exceptionalism and excess bias towards his people/culture/country or 'tribe' otherwise? Definitely a good thing; Nationalism and its analogues are primitive tribalistic nonsense.
 
SDET said:
It's MOOT, not mute. I will consider you more credible when you're willing to have whatever income you receive above the global median income redistributed to others who are less fortunate. The global median household income is less than USD 10,000 per year.
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What? I can't hear you!

Actually, I'm retired living on retirement investments. I have no taxable income.

What does income have to do with a planet imperilled by over 7,000,000,000 people and heading for over 10,000,000,000 during this century? What we humans do in the collective is the issue. We all share the same water and air and it is the responsibility of us all collectively to address those issues.

Long gone are the times when isolationism was even a possibility. What we do in large scale affects everyone, everywhere and they to us.
 
X Factor said:
I'm not going to try to define the term/concept/idea of "global citizenship" but for those who have heard of it and have an opinon about it, do you think it's a good thing or a bad thing? Should people aspire to be good "global citizens"?
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If you care about your country's sovereignty then it is a bad thing. If you don't care about your country's sovereignty then it is a good thing. Because it seems to me the concept of global citizenship is that you don't put your country or your fellow countrymen above other countries and their citizens. Meaning if you are an elected official who sees himself or her self as a global citizen then that means you would enact policies that might benefit other countries at the expense of your country and constituents.
 
Good! I have 3 citizenships now. I will travel as an Irish citizen hence forth.
 
Cardinal said:
Maybe I was wrong, but I just assumed a "global citizen" essentially embodied the same kind of free travel we enjoy throughout the United States (e.g.) but on a mass, international scale.
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I didn't know there were any place on this earth a US citizen couldn't travel...there are US government travel advisories but nothing can stop a US citizen traveling to those countries. Visa restriction by other countries toward US citizens could apply but not by the the US government stopping US citizens from travel any where aboard. Even travel to Canada has certain restrictions such as being work related.
Oh by the way there are some restriction by states restricting people from traveling from their state to others...Hawaiian agriculture restriction for example. In the past California had the same restriction but not sure if that is true any longer.
 
antiquity said:
I didn't know there were any place on this earth a US citizen couldn't travel...there are US government travel advisories but nothing can stop a US citizen traveling to those countries. Visa restriction by other countries toward US citizens could apply but not by the the US government stopping US citizens from travel any where aboard. Even travel to Canada has certain restrictions such as being work related.
Oh by the way there are some restriction by states restricting people from traveling from their state to others...Hawaiian agriculture restriction for example. In the past California had the same restriction but not sure if that is true any longer.
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Nowhere on Earth is there a place an American can travel to with the same barely-existent restrictions we as Americans enjoy when moving from state to state.
 
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jamesrage said:
If you care about your country's sovereignty then it is a bad thing. If you don't care about your country's sovereignty then it is a good thing. Because it seems to me the concept of global citizenship is that you don't put your country or your fellow countrymen above other countries and their citizens. Meaning if you are an elected official who sees himself or her self as a global citizen then that means you would enact policies that might benefit other countries at the expense of your country and constituents.
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So...if what you think good for your country is really bad for the world, one should still do what you think is good for the country? Last I recall, America is PART OF the world (and a rather small part of the world at that)...and so if something's bad for the world, then it is bad for America...and screwing the world for the sake of doing what one thinks is good for America...is the very definition of being short-sighted.

While I do hold my oaths to the Constitution quite seriously even though I've long retired from active duty, my duty to humanity as a whole is greater than my duty to America.
 
Most Americans would not be interested in saving the lives of people who live in poor nations, but Global Citizenship would help these people.
 
Gaea said:
Global citizenship might make sense in the future, if people colonize new planets. It doesn't make much sense right now.
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It would make sense in terms of helping disadvantaged people in poor nations.
 
X Factor said:
I'm not going to try to define the term/concept/idea of "global citizenship" but for those who have heard of it and have an opinon about it, do you think it's a good thing or a bad thing? Should people aspire to be good "global citizens"?
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I consider myself one.
Me and the missus travel to exotic places on foodie tours and discovering ne recipes and ingredients to use in my restaurants.
I'm in talks with a few Chinese investors about opening up a Creole restaurant in Peking.
 
Grand Mal said:
No way. Loyalty to tribe/clan/nation is paramount.
Be true to your school.
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That is one reason Soviet Jews could hardly be expected to be Soviet patriots. I can not speak for African Americans' and Native Americans' patriotism toward USA.
 
SCitizen said:
That is one reason Soviet Jews could hardly be expected to be Soviet patriots. I can not speak for African Americans' and Native Americans' patriotism toward USA.
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I'm Creole and I consider myself a patriotic American.
I make a lot of money,I donate to charity,I do volunteer work and I give back to my community.

Where else but America can a poor averge student lad from 1960's Bogalusa become a wealthy businessman?
 
Verthaine said:
I'm Creole and I consider myself a patriotic American.
I make a lot of money,I donate to charity,I do volunteer work and I give back to my community.

Where else but America can a poor averge student lad from 1960's Bogalusa become a wealthy businessman?
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To each his/her own -- every choice is valid. I was not a patriot of USSR and I am not a patriot of USA.

Not fitting into any society is part of my identity.

I am Jewish. I am Disabled -- Autism and Depression.
 
SCitizen said:
To each his/her own -- every choice is valid. I was not a patriot of USSR and I am not a patriot of USA.

Not fitting into any society is part of my identity.

I am Jewish. I am Disabled -- Autism and Depression.
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Hey,I'm a very individualistic person myself,but I am very thankful of the oppurtunities this country has given me.
I define myself by my achievements (husband,father,master chef,business owner,millionaire,respected member of my community) rather than my beliefs.
 
Verthaine said:
Hey,I'm a very individualistic person myself,but I am very thankful of the oppurtunities this country has given me.
I define myself by my achievements (husband,father,master chef,business owner,millionaire,respected member of my community) rather than my beliefs.
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That is great! I wish you best luck!

I define myself by Disability -- I do not have many achievements.
 
SCitizen said:
That is great! I wish you best luck!

I define myself by Disability -- I do not have many achievements.
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Why not?
Having a disability does not mean you cannot be a success.
Just look at Stephan Hawkings.
I was just a poor Creole kid in 1960's Louisiana and look at me 40 years later.
A successful businessman owning a growing company.
If I could do it,so can you.
All you have to do is believe in yourself and do what you have to do.
 
Verthaine said:
Why not?
Having a disability does not mean you cannot be a success.
Just look at Stephan Hawkings.
I was just a poor Creole kid in 1960's Louisiana and look at me 40 years later.
A successful businessman owning a growing company.
If I could do it,so can you.
All you have to do is believe in yourself and do what you have to do.
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Definitely a few very exceptional disabled people can achieve big success, but I could not. But it is OK.
 
SCitizen said:
Definitely a few very exceptional disabled people can achieve big success, but I could not. But it is OK.
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Success doesn't have to be int he business world.
If you are just doing what you love makes you a success.
I learned to eliminate the word "Can't" from my vocabulary.
 
Verthaine said:
I learned to eliminate the word "Can't" from my vocabulary.
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I learned not to set unattainable expectations for myself. In many ways such expectations can be very harmful.
 
SCitizen said:
I learned not to set unattainable expectations for myself. In many ways such expectations can be very harmful.
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My formula for success is
Hard work+saving money+getting a better education+ having attainable goals+networking+a willingness to take calculated and well thought out risks+a little luck
You just have to want it.
I went from making sandwiches at my momma's beat up old meals on wheels van to washing dishes after school as a teenager, to being a fry cook, to being a line cook, to being head chef to owning my first restaurant, to owning my own culinary management company.
Have faith in yourself.
 
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Verthaine said:
My formula for success is
Hard work+saving money+getting a better education+ having attainable goals+networking+a willingness to take calculated and well thought out risks+a little luck
You just have to want it.
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I wish you best luck -- it is your choice to expand extraordinary effort. But I have a different path in life.
 
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