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Do Thug Lives Matter?

Do Thug Lives Matter?

  • Thug Lives Matter

    Votes: 11 34.4%
  • Thug Lives Don't Matter

    Votes: 18 56.3%
  • I Don't Know

    Votes: 3 9.4%

  • Total voters
    32

Vox

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BlackLivesMatter has initiated a disingenuous debate.

We all know that black lives matter, but that paradigm cannot be universally applied to the current cases where cold blooded killers are glorified as martyrs (as in the case of those who try to grab the cop's gun).

Is there a separate category for super predators?
 
You left too few choices, Vox.

It's not that simple.

To say that one life matters less than another, simply because of a profoundly-low IQ, a propensity for drug-use and violence, sagging trousers, and a limited vocabulary, is simply the political football du jour.

All lives matter.
Some lives belong behind prison walls is all.
;)
 
BlackLivesMatter has initiated a disingenuous debate.

We all know that black lives matter, but that paradigm cannot be universally applied to the current cases where cold blooded killers are glorified as martyrs (as in the case of those who try to grab the cop's gun).

Is there a separate category for super predators?

#NoLivesMatter
 
You left too few choices, Vox.

It's not that simple.

To say that one life matters less than another, simply because of a profoundly-low IQ, a propensity for drug-use and violence, sagging trousers, and a limited vocabulary, is simply the political football du jour.

All lives matter.
Some lives belong behind prison walls is all.
;)

How much does the life of someone weigh, if he's trying to kill your family
 
BlackLivesMatter has initiated a disingenuous debate.

We all know that black lives matter, but that paradigm cannot be universally applied to the current cases where cold blooded killers are glorified as martyrs (as in the case of those who try to grab the cop's gun).

Is there a separate category for super predators?

This is about one of the most despicable threads I've yet to see. Y'all look at the relative very few who do something very wrong, and somehow impute that upon the whole - a grand case of the broad-brush logical fallacy.

It's just like with Maine Gov. LePage - he's so eager to show a binder full of black drug dealers...but he apparently hasn't realized that not only do blacks comprise only 14% of those arrested in Maine for drug-dealing, but also that blacks are generally LESS likely to deal drugs than whites. But little things like facts and reality don't matter - all that seems to matter is perpetuating the racism in order to keep the nonwhites down.
 
How much does the life of someone weigh, if he's trying to kill your family

Is that what it means to be a thug? To be in the act of attempting to murder your family?
 
How much does the life of someone weigh, if he's trying to kill your family

Oh, don't mistake my meaning joG.

If a thug tries to kill my family, I will shoot him dead in three seconds flat.
He and any of his accomplices that might be in the vicinity.
(I carry conceal, you see.)

And then I would sleep like a baby afterwards.

My point was that all lives do matter.
A life that shows promise for giving back to society (say a brain surgeon, or Army aviator) has more discernible value than that of an ignorant thug, this much is true.
Comparative value, however, does not equate to a judgement that one life matters more than another.

Value, as in demonstrated (or potential) benefits to society, is an objective metric that you can measure.
Matter, on the other hand, is more subjective and harder to define.

:)
 
You left too few choices, Vox.

It's not that simple.

To say that one life matters less than another, simply because of a profoundly-low IQ, a propensity for drug-use and violence, sagging trousers, and a limited vocabulary, is simply the political football du jour.

All lives matter.
Some lives belong behind prison walls is all.
;)

Actually the idea that one life matters more of less than another is a form of royalty. The concept of royalty runs counter to our nation's founding principles.
 
Is that what it means to be a thug? To be in the act of attempting to murder your family?

thug
noun
1.
a violent person, especially a criminal.
synonyms: ruffian, hooligan, vandal, hoodlum, gangster, villain, criminal.

Is a thug more likely to try and murder your family than, say, a brain surgeon?

It depends upon how good your health insurance is, I suppose.
:doh
 
Any sympathy I might have for thugs would disappear if Democrat cities quite manufacturing them.
 
This is about one of the most despicable threads I've yet to see. Y'all look at the relative very few who do something very wrong, and somehow impute that upon the whole - a grand case of the broad-brush logical fallacy.

It's just like with Maine Gov. LePage - he's so eager to show a binder full of black drug dealers...but he apparently hasn't realized that not only do blacks comprise only 14% of those arrested in Maine for drug-dealing, but also that blacks are generally LESS likely to deal drugs than whites. But little things like facts and reality don't matter - all that seems to matter is perpetuating the racism in order to keep the nonwhites down.

Lets see, all liberals say is that ALL Republicans are racist.

Also I didn't know but just a few blacks even lived in Maine. I would bet that the number of blacks living in Maine is far less than 14%, in fact the black population of Maine is just 1% and yet you say they represent 14% of those arrested. Should that % of blacks be at 1% instead of a whopping 14%

Population By Races in Maine

Race Population % of Total
Total Population 1,328,361 100
White 1,264,971 95
Two or More Races 20,941 1
Hispanic or Latino 16,935 1
Black or African American 15,707 1
Asian 13,571 1
American Indian 8,568 Below 1%
Some Other Race 4,261 Below 1%
Three or more races 1,207 Below 1%
Native Hawaiian Pacific Islander 342 Below 1%
Native Hawaiian 115 Below 1%

https://suburbanstats.org/population/how-many-people-live-in-maine

What am I missing here?
 
Lets see, all liberals say is that ALL Republicans are racist.

What am I missing here?

First off, you started your post with a flatly-false (and easily proven-false) accusation. Try again - and this time, try to keep from using the basic logical fallacy of the broad-brush accusation.
 
This is about one of the most despicable threads I've yet to see. Y'all look at the relative very few who do something very wrong, and somehow impute that upon the whole - a grand case of the broad-brush logical fallacy.

That would be true if I had said blacks instead of thugs......but I didn't.

I said THUGS.

What thread are you reading?
 
It's just like with Maine Gov. LePage - he's so eager to show a binder full of black drug dealers...but he apparently hasn't realized that not only do blacks comprise only 14% of those arrested in Maine for drug-dealing, but also that blacks are generally LESS likely to deal drugs than whites. But little things like facts and reality don't matter - all that seems to matter is perpetuating the racism in order to keep the nonwhites down.

You're already pushing a lie here. LePage didn't say black.

LePage said 90% are black and Hispanic and you say 14% are black.

Trying to confuse the issue to escape the reality? Typical Liberal tactic.

The governor obviously knows what's going on in his own state.

You obviously don't.
 
People who embrace the ignorance, misogyny, violence, and uselessness of the drug-fueled thug life know no specific color or ethnicity.

Sadly, this is true.

But remember that the hallmark is ignorance, first and foremost.
:(
white thugs.jpg
 
People who embrace the ignorance, misogyny, violence, and uselessness of the drug-fueled thug life know no specific color or ethnicity.

Nice theory, but what about the fact that over 90% of drug dealers arrested in Maine are black and Hispanic??

Profiling?

:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:
 
How much does the life of someone weigh, if he's trying to kill your family

Are you really wondering how much they weigh when they are trying to kill you?
 
Oh, don't mistake my meaning joG.

If a thug tries to kill my family, I will shoot him dead in three seconds flat.
He and any of his accomplices that might be in the vicinity.
(I carry conceal, you see.)

And then I would sleep like a baby afterwards.

My point was that all lives do matter.
A life that shows promise for giving back to society (say a brain surgeon, or Army aviator) has more discernible value than that of an ignorant thug, this much is true.
Comparative value, however, does not equate to a judgement that one life matters more than another.

Value, as in demonstrated (or potential) benefits to society, is an objective metric that you can measure.
Matter, on the other hand, is more subjective and harder to define.

:)

Why wait three seconds? That could get your family killed...
 
Any sympathy I might have for thugs would disappear if Democrat cities quite manufacturing them.

Not quite sure this makes sense... althougb i do get the partisan attack.
 
thug
noun
1.
a violent person, especially a criminal.
synonyms: ruffian, hooligan, vandal, hoodlum, gangster, villain, criminal.

Is a thug more likely to try and murder your family than, say, a brain surgeon?

It depends upon how good your health insurance is, I suppose.
:doh

We need to start using the word "ruffian" more. :)
 
Lets see, all liberals say is that ALL Republicans are racist.

Also I didn't know but just a few blacks even lived in Maine. I would bet that the number of blacks living in Maine is far less than 14%, in fact the black population of Maine is just 1% and yet you say they represent 14% of those arrested. Should that % of blacks be at 1% instead of a whopping 14%

Population By Races in Maine

Race Population % of Total
Total Population 1,328,361 100
White 1,264,971 95
Two or More Races 20,941 1
Hispanic or Latino 16,935 1
Black or African American 15,707 1
Asian 13,571 1
American Indian 8,568 Below 1%
Some Other Race 4,261 Below 1%
Three or more races 1,207 Below 1%
Native Hawaiian Pacific Islander 342 Below 1%
Native Hawaiian 115 Below 1%

https://suburbanstats.org/population/how-many-people-live-in-maine

What am I missing here?

That all liberals do not think that all republicans are racist?
 
You're already pushing a lie here. LePage didn't say black.

LePage said 90% are black and Hispanic and you say 14% are black.

Trying to confuse the issue to escape the reality? Typical Liberal tactic.

The governor obviously knows what's going on in his own state.

You obviously don't.

Really? From the Portland (Maine) Press Herald:

LePage returned to the theme of race Wednesday night at a town hall meeting in North Berwick, where he said that he has compiled a three-ring binder of photos of drug dealers arrested since January, and that more than 90 percent are black or Hispanic.

“There are a whole lot of white girls, too, a whole lot of white girls,” LePage said. “In fact, in almost every single picture is a white Maine girl in the picture.”

The ACLU of Maine said this week that statistics show white people are more likely to sell drugs than black people.

“According to the governor, Maine police are nine times more likely to arrest people of color for selling drugs than white people, even though we know white people are just as likely to commit drug offenses. This alarming disparity in arrests raises significant concerns that Maine law enforcement is participating in unconstitutional racial profiling,” said the ACLU’s Maine executive director, Alison Beyea, said in a prepared statement.

According to the FBI’s Criminal Justice Information Service, 1,211 people in Maine were arrested on charges of drug sales or manufacturing in 2014. Of them, 170 – 14.1 percent – were black, and almost all the rest were white, the service said.


So why is it that the freaking FBI says it's 14.1%...but LePage says it's 90%? I suppose you're going to say that the governor knows better than the FBI too, hm? Or are you going to claim that the percentage miraculously jumped from 14.1% to 90% in less than 18 months?

Or maybe, just maybe we should pay attention to the fact that he's pointing out white girls, which was an apparent reference to what he said earlier this year:

Earlier this year, LePage said that drug dealers with nicknames like "D-Money, Smoothie, and Shifty" come to Maine to sell drugs and "half the time they impregnate a young, white girl before they leave."

The guy's racist. He doesn't care about actual statistics - he only wants to believe what he wants to believe. And if you're going to take his word over the FBI's, then apparently you want to ignore the hard-and-fast numbers, too.
 
That would be true if I had said blacks instead of thugs......but I didn't.

I said THUGS.

What thread are you reading?

Y'know, I was a racist for most of my early life - I know racist dog-whistles when I hear them, for I've used them way too many times myself. What you're doing is the "Bart Simpson" excuse: "I didn't do it, nobody saw me, nobody can prove anything"...when we all know doggone well that he did do it.

The sad part is a whole lot of people out there use the same excuse you just did, knowing doggone well that they did mean blacks, but have somehow convinced themselves that either only like-minded people would really know what they're saying, or that those on the other side are somehow too ignorant to know the dog-whistle for what it is...or both.

Save your excuses for someone stupid enough to believe them...say, perhaps, those individuals who think that such dog-whistles aren't even a little bit racist.
 
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