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Photo ID to Vote - Yes or No

Photo ID to Vote - Yes or No

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Dragonfly said:
It's not charging people money to vote. It's charging them money to have a valid and legal photo ID.

I have to pay for gas in my car, and my car, and my insurance in order to drive myself to polling place. Isn't that "paying to vote"?

Having to take public transportation to get to polling place is requiring people to "pay".

The cost of your shoes and clothing?

I believe it's very IMPORTANT to require people to verify who they are when voting.
Is there a better way than a certified photo ID?
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And please note, the Democrat Party effort isn't to get free IDs for voters. Hell, no, that would handicap election fraud. The Democrat's sole effort is to maintain election fraud.
 
Jesse Booth said:
A current paycheck or government document will also suffice. Nobody has to pay to receive their paychecks, and some government documents do not cost money to get your hands on. If there are options for state-issued IDs, then it's perfectly acceptable for there to be options that do cost money.
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Greetings, Jesse Booth. :2wave:

Most paychecks, utility bills, etc, do not have a photo on them, so that would not work in most States! For those that truly do not have the money to pay for a photo ID, there are places like the Board of Elections that will take a photo for free when you register to vote.
 
Dragonfly said:
It's not charging people money to vote. It's charging them money to have a valid and legal photo ID.

I have to pay for gas in my car, and my car, and my insurance in order to drive myself to polling place. Isn't that "paying to vote"?

Having to take public transportation to get to polling place is requiring people to "pay".

The cost of your shoes and clothing?

I believe it's very IMPORTANT to require people to verify who they are when voting.
Is there a better way than a certified photo ID?
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This may be tough, but imagine that 20$ is the difference between eating for a few days or going hungry. Not everyone has the ability to eat small costs. Not everyone has the ability to go to a government location to pick up an ID during the workday. Not everyone has the ability to go online and figure out where they should even go to get an ID.

But those less fortunate have a right to vote that's every bit as valid as your's and mine. They should not have to sacrifice significantly more than we do to exercise the same constitutional rights. Furthermore, the impact of in person voter fraud is something on the order of tens of people per many millions of voters. Even in the Florida recounts, in person voter fraud would not have made the slightest difference. The impact of of voter ID's is more on the order of 1-3%. That's easily enough to swing a close election.

As this election unfolds, conservatives are starting to come around to the idea that the center of the modern GOP is white nationalism. As this idea is further cemented, policies like voter ID which are designed to disenfranchise minorities with almost surgical precision are no longer going to be excused as mere partisan electioneering. It's all going to be lumped into the hate and bigotry of white nationalism. IMO, even if your beliefs are altruistic, the racist stigma attached to voter ID laws just aren't worth preventing a level of voter fraud that you can count with your fingers. Especially when you consider that voter fraud with absentee ballots is far more prevalent, and is largely associated with white middle class families taking care of aging parents.
 
Mithros said:
This may be tough, but imagine that 20$ is the difference between eating for a few days or going hungry. Not everyone has the ability to eat small costs. Not everyone has the ability to go to a government location to pick up an ID during the workday. Not everyone has the ability to go online and figure out where they should even go to get an ID.

But those less fortunate have a right to vote that's every bit as valid as your's and mine. They should not have to sacrifice significantly more than we do to exercise the same constitutional rights. Furthermore, the impact of in person voter fraud is something on the order of tens of people per many millions of voters. Even in the Florida recounts, in person voter fraud would not have made the slightest difference. The impact of of voter ID's is more on the order of 1-3%. That's easily enough to swing a close election.

As this election unfolds, conservatives are starting to come around to the idea that the center of the modern GOP is white nationalism. As this idea is further cemented, policies like voter ID which are designed to disenfranchise minorities with almost surgical precision are no longer going to be excused as mere partisan electioneering. It's all going to be lumped into the hate and bigotry of white nationalism. IMO, even if your beliefs are altruistic, the racist stigma attached to voter ID laws just aren't worth preventing a level of voter fraud that you can count with your fingers. Especially when you consider that voter fraud with absentee ballots is far more prevalent, and is largely associated with white middle class families taking care of aging parents.
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The problem with that is many states do require photo ID for healthcare. I needed one to sign up under the ACA exchange here. The insurer demanded it. If the US ever implemented a national or single payer healthcare system we would all have national ID cards like they do in Europe.
 
Patrickt said:
When my father was in a nursing home the Democrat Party thugs would show up with already filled in absentee ballots and they would try to coerce the elderly patients into signing the ballots. And, the thugs are proud of what they do.
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If this was actually the case, it should have immediately been reported. That said, this is the predominant form of voter fraud in the US.

Voter ID laws do nothing to combat it.
 
jamesrage said:
So you if show up the polling place they just have to take your word that you are who you say you are




It sounds like Oregon is just opening the door for voter fraud.Although I suppose they will do something about it when it doesn't work in their favor.
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Every 'incumbent' Iowa voter is in this black book.

A prospective voter states their name and are asked, "What is your current address?" (I actually had someone who wanted to give me two addresses. I then asked which of the two addresses they lived at most of the time). Poll workers verify that the name and address are the same as in the black book. If yes, the voter is green-lighted to vote. If the name is correct but not the current address, the poll worker has to call the county election office to see if the voter is registered to vote in the state. If yes, the voter has to officially change their address - to vote in the correct county. Mandatorily, the voter will make these official changes while in the correct precinct.

If their name isn't in the black book, the poll worker has to call the county election office to see if the person has registered to vote in the state of Iowa. If yes meaning the voter has registered to vote in another county of Iowa, the voter has to officially register in the correct county.

If the person has changed their name due to marriage, etc,, the voter has to officially change their name.

Any changes or additions to the official voting state record require proper identification. A picture ID and an ID that verifies their current address. A driver's license does both.


I'm not aware of the procedures Oregon uses to conduct its online voting. I have a poll worker working with me and she said her daughter votes in Oregon and it's online.
 
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Dragonfly said:
Forget all the other crap that's typically rolled into such laws.
Boil this down to it's most simplistic, and verbatim question.

Should each person who votes, in any national and/or regional election, be required to verify their identity through a state approved photo ID card?

Nothing else is being asked or inferred here. A photo ID is all I'm asking about.

Yes or no?
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By your questions and the way they are framed you are implying (or outright stating) a political stance. In fact, none is required or implied in answering yes or no.
 
pilot16 said:
The problem with that is many states do require photo ID for healthcare. I needed one to sign up under the ACA exchange here. The insurer demanded it. If the US ever implemented a national or single payer healthcare system we would all have national ID cards like they do in Europe.
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How is that relevant?

And there's nothing wrong with requiring ID's when everyone has them. The problem isn't the ID, it's that it's far more work for some people to get IDs than others. That's the entire purpose of requiring voter IDs. It's partisan electioneering (if you're being nice) and blatant racial discrimination (if you're not). If the goal was to crack down on voter fraud, you'd look at ways of controlling the absentee ballot process. But this kind of fraud is most commonly associated with the white middle class.
 
YES and nothing to do with voter fraud.
Voter ID should be able to allow for much faster voting and eliminate the lines .. If not , something is still wrong .
But, before we go for ID, lets improve the education .. of both the voter and the ones ''running the show'' .. some of these are really nasty !
 
Jesse Booth said:
The cost is beside the point, charging money for people to be able to vote is still an unconstitutional poll tax.
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Allowing people to vote who have no right to do so is also not constitutional.
 
Mithros said:
Are you required to notarize an absentee ballot? Are you required to provide an ID when you mail it in?
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No, but you have to provide proof of eligibility when you apply for it. And pay the postage when you mail it in. Would you call that postage a poll tax?
 
As a sidenote to this, the regulations and requirements to vote in pre-elections called absent tee ballot elections in Iowa aren't nearly as stringent. This greatly disturbs me. Lawyers have surmised, since the election isn't a same-day election, the same rules need not apply in Iowa. I repeat. This greatly disturbs me.
 
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Jesse Booth said:
That is true. Does that somehow make a poll tax less unconstitutional?
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I guess some can use the same identification that's needed to qualify for government assistance. Doesn't that need a picture and address verification?
 
I say you have to show photo ID before you can vote in this photo ID poll.
 
TheGoverness said:
Because it would probably be akin to a poll tax.
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That is just playing semantics. If having a photo ID is required for some other action than providing it to vote causes no hardship. You know, like providing ID to cash a check.
 
Arjay81 said:
By your questions and the way they are framed you are implying (or outright stating) a political stance. In fact, none is required or implied in answering yes or no.
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What? :thinking
 
Dragonfly said:
Forget all the other crap that's typically rolled into such laws.
Boil this down to it's most simplistic, and verbatim question.

Should each person who votes, in any national and/or regional election, be required to verify their identity through a state approved photo ID card?

Nothing else is being asked or inferred here. A photo ID is all I'm asking about.

Yes or no?
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Republicans can play this little game of "we're doing it to reduce election fraud" all they like. Everybody, they included, know that it's to reduce the access to voting of demographics known to vote Democrat.
 
There is this Democrat mime that goes around that the MSM keeps letting Democrats get away with:

Black people have nothing, want nothing, and buy nothing and so the reality of needing identification has bypassed them.

The MSM refuses to call them on it for only one reason: they agree.
 
Jesse Booth said:
That is true. Does that somehow make a poll tax less unconstitutional?
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Calling it a poll tax does not make it one. Charging for a valid ID that is useful in multiple areas and for multiple uses does not constitute a poll tax. If it were to be used exclusively for voting and allowed for no other use it would indeed be a form of poll tax. That is not the case.
 
Cardinal said:
Republicans can play this little game of "we're doing it to reduce election fraud" all they like. Everybody, they included, know that it's to reduce the access to voting of demographics known to vote Democrat.
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You mean the demographics of voter fraud?
 
Dragonfly said:
Forget all the other crap that's typically rolled into such laws.
Boil this down to it's most simplistic, and verbatim question.

Should each person who votes, in any national and/or regional election, be required to verify their identity through a state approved photo ID card?

Nothing else is being asked or inferred here. A photo ID is all I'm asking about.

Yes or no?
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Yes,

How else will you know if someone is a true citizen or an illegal alien?

Sorry illegals don't have the right to vote in this country.
 
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