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Brexit- Not happening?

Brexit Artcle 50

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Cardinal said:
Why?

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Regardless, I do not see Brexit occurring. Many voted based upon stopping migration, or having significant controls.
Well the EU will not make an easy deal with the UK.
As noted in this link, free migration is a cornerstone for the EU.

EU tells UK single market access requires full free movement | Reuters

But free movement of workers is one of "four freedoms" -- along with movement of capital, goods and services -- that the EU says must be maintained by any country that wants access to its common market. The 27 leaders added a line to their summit statement at the last minute emphasizing that principle.

"A crucial task is to identify the maximum level of EU market access, consistent with the need for some control on migration," he said in a statement on behalf of the influential Treasury Select Committee.
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JANFU said:
Regardless, I do not see Brexit occurring. Many voted based upon stopping migration, or having significant controls.
Well the EU will not make an easy deal with the UK.
As noted in this link, free migration is a cornerstone for the EU.

EU tells UK single market access requires full free movement | Reuters
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Just more empty threats because the EU nations know how boned they are if the UK leaves. Give them a few more weeks as they watch their markets fall and the UK market rise back to norm and they'll resort to begging.
 
clownboy said:
Just more empty threats because the EU nations know how boned they are if the UK leaves. Give them a few more weeks as they watch their markets fall and the UK market rise back to norm and they'll resort to begging.
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And if Scotland and Northern Ireland vote to leave the UK?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
And if Scotland and Northern Ireland vote to leave the UK?
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And if I win the lottery...
And if pigs fly...

Again, it cannot be disputed that Scotland in the UK is part of the fifth largest economy and Scotland without the UK in the EU is 42cd. They can sit next to Greece and commiserate.
 
No one seriously thought that Brexit would pass. Not even the political public faces of Brexit ... Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, and Michael Groves.

Now? They have no working idea of what to do with this unexpected albatross, or how to negotiate the massive and complex divorce from the EU.

The supposed Brexit enticements are quickly crumbling into the political deceptions they always were.


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clownboy said:
And if I win the lottery...
And if pigs fly...

Again, it cannot be disputed that Scotland in the UK is part of the fifth largest economy and Scotland without the UK in the EU is 42cd. They can sit next to Greece and commiserate.
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Yeah, they're not going to be the fifth largest economy if they leave the EU.
 
JANFU said:
Regardless, I do not see Brexit occurring. Many voted based upon stopping migration, or having significant controls.
Well the EU will not make an easy deal with the UK.
As noted in this link, free migration is a cornerstone for the EU.

EU tells UK single market access requires full free movement | Reuters
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I honestly can't get a read on whether it'll go through or not. There's no doubt that the architects of Brexit are absolutely crapping their pants, though.
 
Cardinal said:
Yeah, they're not going to be the fifth largest economy if they leave the EU.
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Everything the Leave campaigned on, Migrants, EU laws, are all part of any deal, if they choose to go down that road.
Then the people find out it it ain't happening, that the EU will not be sending Euros to the poor areas are heavily dependent upon.
That the so called 350 M pounds will not be invested in health care.
BJ and UKIP backing away.
And the referendum is non binding.
Could be a 2nd one where the costs -repercussions are all laid out.
 
Cardinal said:
I honestly can't get a read on whether it'll go through or not. There's no doubt that the architects of Brexit are absolutely crapping their pants, though.
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They pop up every now and again, much like a rodent does.
And Farage, his mouth never stops.
 
JANFU said:
They pop up every now and again, much like a rodent does.
And Farage, his mouth never stops.
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True, Farage's behavior is not what I would call "conciliatory." I'm curious about the petition, though. That isn't in the news anymore for some reason.
 
Cardinal said:
True, Farage's behavior is not what I would call "conciliatory." I'm curious about the petition, though. That isn't in the news anymore for some reason.
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That was originally started by a Leave person, then it was hijacked, bogus signatures.
 
Triggering Article 50 “is clearly what our partners want us to do, although not all of them believe that we have to do it immediately,” the prime minister said. “That is why I think we have some time to examine the right model we want to negotiate for and then pull that trigger.”

“We need to determine what kind of relationship we want with the EU, and that is rightly something for the next prime minister and their cabinet to decide,” said Cameron. “This is our sovereign decision and it will be for Britain, and Britain alone, to decide.”

He added: “I think it’s right not to trigger Article 50 because that starts a process that within two years has to result in an exit and it might be an unmanaged exit if it started too soon.”

David Cameron: We won’t trigger Article 50 now – POLITICO
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Cameron fears that triggering Article 50 straight away will result in an unmanaged exit and he wants to start with informal talks with Brussels before the formal process to break away from the EU. South Korea is an Asian country but it signed a free trade deal with the EU in 2011 without the free movement of persons and Britain should be able to sign another FTA with the EU, too.

On 1 July 2011, the EU-Korea Free Trade Agreement (FTA) entered into force, marking the beginning of a new era in EU-Korea trade relations. This brought to an end a process that began five years ago with the Commission’s Communication on ‘Global Europe in a Competing World’ which called for the EU to renew its engagement in Asia. The EU-Korea FTA is only the first agreement in a series we are negotiating with Asian partner countries, but it is an example of how two partners can work together to achieve a deal that brings significant benefits to the economies of both sides. The EU-Korea FTA is the most ambitious trade agreement ever negotiated by the EU; it is also the EU’s first trade deal with an Asian country. The Agreement is expected not only to boost bilateral trade and economic growth in both the EU and Korea, but also to have a wider impact in Asia and elsewhere by signalling the EU’s openness to doing business with third countries and its commitment to free trade.
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JANFU said:
That was originally started by a Leave person, then it was hijacked, bogus signatures.
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Ah. That explains why all the talking heads in England have dismissed it so completely.
 
Cardinal said:
Ah. That explains why all the talking heads in England have dismissed it so completely.
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Fumy that it was hijacked and started by a Leave person.
 
ThirdTerm said:
Cameron fears that triggering Article 50 straight away will result in an unmanaged exit and he wants to start with informal talks with Brussels before the formal process to break away from the EU. South Korea is an Asian country but it signed a free trade deal with the EU in 2011 without the free movement of persons and Britain should be able to sign another FTA with the EU, too.
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The FTA and membership in the EU are 2 different cats.
Where do you see linkage?
 
Brexit leader Boris Johnson apparently isn't happening and announced he won't seek to succeed David Cameron as Prime Minister.
 
it's all a bit of a mess and who knows in the end. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the UK found a way to remain in the EU. but if they do leave, I also don't think it's going to be quite the huge doom and gloom some think it will be.
 
Simpleχity;1066021788 said:
Brexit leader Boris Johnson apparently isn't happening and announced he won't seek to succeed David Cameron as Prime Minister.
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Interesting piece on Brexit
Can the law stop Brexit? - BBC News

Article 50 says any EU member state can leave "in accordance with its own constitutional requirements".

That phrase has given lawyers pause for thought as to what is lawful under our constitution.

In a piece co-authored by three legal experts, for the UK Constitutional Law Association, it is argued that under our constitutional settlement, the prime minister cannot issue a notification under Article 50 without being given authority to do so by an act of Parliament.
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With both major Parties, Cons & Labor MP's generally against Brexit, does it come down to a free vote, or a whipped vote in Parliament?
 
Carjosse said:
I think that Parliament should and could overrule the referendum in the best interests of the UK. It can already be seen that leaving the EU will damage the country and maybe even bring an end the United Kingdom.
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In other words, Parliament should ignore the vote, and will of the people. Got it. Is that how democracy works? They might as well return to a monarchy. :roll:
 
countryboy said:
In other words, Parliament should ignore the vote, and will of the people. Got it. Is that how democracy works? They might as well return to a monarchy. :roll:
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Funny how that works, isn't it? If the vote had gone the other way, and the Brexit people wanted a new vote, I suspect there would not be much sympathy. Furthermore, I also suspect that the "non binding" resolution argument wouldn't be very persuasive if the Bremain camp had won but parliament voted to leave anyway.
 
countryboy said:
In other words, Parliament should ignore the vote, and will of the people. Got it. Is that how democracy works? They might as well return to a monarchy. :roll:
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There is a certain (though small) amount of sympathy that can be give to the Leave voters. A number of them didn't believe anything would actually happen, that they were in fact casting protest votes. There is something inherently unfair in saying that a referendum is non-legally binding, but oh, sorry, your vote is going to break the country anyway because wakka wakka!
 
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Cardinal said:
There is a certain (though small) amount of sympathy that can be give to the Leave voters. A number of them didn't believe anything would actually happen, that they were in fact casting protest votes. There is something inherently unfair in saying that that a referendum is non-legally binding, but oh, sorry, your vote is going to break the country anyway because wakka wakka!
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The referendum is the voice of the people that are worried about the future of their children, unemployment, factory closure, wealth disparity, and the general health of their wallets. Pundits, paid political broadcasters, bankers are not in those wallets ergo control slips to the allegedly uneducated masses who can feel the effects of the Elitist's policies at a personal level and protest the only way they know how. Will their protests cause additional grief? Perhaps, but it will also grieve the Elitists equally, unlike policies that create wealth disparity. That would be democracy. The 99% have spoken and if action does not follow it is likely bloodshed will. "Angry electorate."
 
DaveFagan said:
The referendum is the voice of the people that are worried about the future of their children, unemployment, factory closure, wealth disparity, and the general health of their wallets. Pundits, paid political broadcasters, bankers are not in those wallets ergo control slips to the allegedly uneducated masses who can feel the effects of the Elitist's policies at a personal level and protest the only way they know how. Will their protests cause additional grief? Perhaps, but it will also grieve the Elitists equally, unlike policies that create wealth disparity. That would be democracy. The 99% have spoken and if action does not follow it is likely bloodshed will. "Angry electorate."
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They measurably and objectively harmed their own interests. And I'm not talking about the 1%. And it wasn't the 99% who spoke, it was the 52% who didn't even know what they were voting for.
 
countryboy said:
In other words, Parliament should ignore the vote, and will of the people. Got it. Is that how democracy works? They might as well return to a monarchy. :roll:
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They have a duty to act in the best interests of the citizens and the country.
 
Carjosse said:
They have a duty to act in the best interests of the citizens and the country.
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Then why not simply abolish voting altogether? Don't be ridiculous.
 
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