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Willl the EU survive if England votes to leave?

Will the EU survive without England?

  • EU will survive

    Votes: 18 66.7%

  • EU will evenutally cease to exist

    Votes: 9 33.3%
  • Total voters
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shrubnose said:
My guess is that will not happen.
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It'll be part of the rejoining package. If as is likely Britain does so badly outside that it wants back in, then we'll do it on Europe's terms.

(assuming we go!) I take what comfort I can from the bookies suggesting it's 60/40 stay.
 
Manc Skipper said:
It'll be part of the rejoining package. If as is likely Britain does so badly outside that it wants back in, then we'll do it on Europe's terms.

(assuming we go!)
I take what comfort I can from the bookies suggesting it's 60/40 stay.
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There will be a lot of people besides the bookies voting on the 23rd and right now it looks like Great Britain will be leaving the EU.

I won't be shedding any tears when that happens.
 
Manc Skipper said:
It'll be part of the rejoining package. If as is likely Britain does so badly outside that it wants back in, then we'll do it on Europe's terms.

(assuming we go!) I take what comfort I can from the bookies suggesting it's 60/40 stay.
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I doubt joining the Euro would be a requirement, but the British rebate would definitely be out.
 
shrubnose said:
Yeah,and Northern Ireland would be like Kosovo.
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Do you think its (Ireland's) geopolitics would resemble Serbia's? Do you think we could see a political as well as military similarity emerge in the near future similar to the NATO intervention of Yugoslavia? (Assuming that dormant ethnic tensions between the countries could reemerge and boil to the surface with renewed border controls, Neo-IRA terrorist organizations, and a "Troubles Part 2" situation only more widespread and rampant.)
 
shrubnose said:
My guess is that will not happen.
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Abbazorkzog said:
Do you think its (Ireland's) geopolitics would resemble Serbia's? Do you think we could see a political as well as military similarity emerge in the near future similar to the NATO intervention of Yugoslavia? (Assuming that dormant ethnic tensions between the countries could reemerge and boil to the surface with renewed border controls, Neo-IRA terrorist organizations, and a "Troubles Part 2" situation only more widespread and rampant.)
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Eh......probably not.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Do you think its (Ireland's) geopolitics would resemble Serbia's?
Do you think we could see a political as well as military similarity emerge in the near future similar to the NATO intervention of Yugoslavia?
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(Assuming that dormant ethnic tensions between the countries could reemerge and boil to the surface with renewed border controls, Neo-IRA terrorist organizations, and a "Troubles Part 2" situation only more widespread and rampant.)
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I think that it's unlikely that NATO will be going to war against Ireland.
 
hazelnut said:
I know maybe (and maybe not) other countries would leave if England does. Maybe the EU would become smaller. But will it survive at all, or will it cease to exist eventually? Although of course not right away.
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The EU was a very bad idea from the beginning anyway.... unless their eventual intention was to have one big nation of united states, along the lines of the USA. otherwise, why give up so much soveriegnity. The brits will be better served to exit the EU.
 
shrubnose said:
How would the USA have won the Revolutionary War without France's help? Fill us in.
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That was well before the era of cheese eating surrender monkeys.
 
shrubnose said:
I think that it's unlikely that NATO will be going to war against Ireland.
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Well, like another poster said, the Balkanization of the UK wouldn't be complete until a good decade-or-so/better from now.
 
Yes the EU will survive without the UK. The UK is NOT the center of the universe, quite contrary to what most British think of themselves.
 
Dibbler said:
Yes the EU will survive without the UK. The UK is NOT the center of the universe, quite contrary to what most British think of themselves.
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That is not the mechanism that is considered likely, it is "hey if they can leave then so can we, and of course we should".
 
The EU will ultimately cease to exist if it does not federalize and become an American style supernation; common currency without common cause and a system of transfer payments to balance the region's economy is untenable in the long run.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Lets keep it to at least the last 100 years, shall we? The french gained their "cheese eating surrender monkey" reputation during WW2.
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That isn't even accurate, the term "cheese eating surrender monkeys" was originally used in the Simpsons by "Groundskeeper Willie" and then was used against the French in 2002 because they stood up against US policy in the 2nd invasion of Iraq. So, in light of all the crap that's happened because of that invasion of Iraq and the non-existence of WMD the fact small little France stood up to a global nuclear power and was actually right in her refusal to join in the invasion of Iraq - who was actually right?

And what words would you use then for the country that pushed so wrongly for the invasion of Iraq when the real problem still existed and was causing global problems to originate in Afghanistan?
 
Surrealistik said:
The EU will ultimately cease to exist if it does not federalize and become an American style supernation; common currency without common cause and a system of transfer payments to balance the region's economy is untenable in the long run.
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And given the long running bungling of the EU MAsters the chances that citizens of nations will agree to give up the sovereignty needed to do this are slim indeed. I figure that the next major recession/depression pulls the plug on this for good.

European Union....I believed in you once, for a lot of years actually, and I loved the 6 years I lived in Germany (Munich, Darmstadt). Watching you die is sad.
 
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ObamacareFail said:
Lets keep it to at least the last 100 years, shall we? The french gained their "cheese eating surrender monkey" reputation during WW2.
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Funny how that isn't said of the Poles, the Czechs, the Greeks, the Serbs, Benelux, Scandinavians in general and, if one likes, the lion's share of the Brit army scarpering at Dunkirk.

Etc.

Whassamatter, was a Paris waiter rude to you once?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
That is not the mechanism that is considered likely, it is "hey if they can leave then so can we, and of course we should".
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What is not realized though among the pipe dreamers in UK who believe everything can be negotiated back to normal for Britain after Brexit, is the understandable EU stance of "hey, if we don't stand firm on out is out, everybody else will start wanting to have their cake and eat it too."

There're plenty of reasons to bash the match in the way it's gone, leaving the pitch and taking the ball home with you but still wanting to play is not the most intelligent way though.
 
Chagos said:
What is not realized though among the pipe dreamers in UK who believe everything can be negotiated back to normal for Britain after Brexit, is the understandable EU stance of "hey, if we don't stand firm on out is out, everybody else will start wanting to have their cake and eat it too."

There're plenty of reasons to bash the match in the way it's gone, leaving the pitch and taking the ball home with you but still wanting to play is not the most intelligent way though.
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I dont know if the Brits are right or wrong that they would have the power to do advantageous deals with the EU, could be true. If it is true they might as well do it, the EU Masters lost the moral high ground in their dealings with Greece and Turkey to name just two of many places.

Oh wait, power is not supposed to matter anymore, I forgot, this is now a Barney World were good people do the right thing because it is the right thing. The elite tell me this all the time......as they lie and do the wrong thing so much of the time.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I dont know if the Brits are right or wrong that they would have the power to do advantageous deals with the EU, could be true.
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It isn't.
If it is true they might as well do it, the EU Masters lost the moral high ground in their dealings with Greece and Turkey to name just two of many places.
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You appear unable to understand what I said. Offering UK all the previous benefits but without membership is a "no-no" on account of strictures that have nothing to do with any moral high or low ground. Conflating these issues demonstrates incomprehension of reality.
Oh wait, power is not supposed to matter anymore, I forgot, this is now a Barney World were good people do the right thing because it is the right thing. The elite tell me this all the time......as they lie and do the wrong thing so much of the time.
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I'm sure you wanted to convey something there so maybe give it another try.
 
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