• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Which Would You Rather?

If you were concieved in a womb that was going to abort you would you rather:

  • Get it done right away?

    Votes: 6 85.7%
  • Cling to life and be a late term abortion?

    Votes: 1 14.3%

  • Total voters
    7
The "I AM" tells us that the fetus is connected to it's "I AM" Presence through the mother's light pole.

The mother's what?



I've remembered my conception.

No, you don't.

I take it you mean to assert the new age nonsense about "regression therapy" to access supposedly buried memories from infancy. That is psychological snake oil that can plant false memories in gullible persons. Do not believe it.
 
Seeing that we're all in this together and share responsibility it is unlikely that any of us will get through it without this happening to us at least a couple of times.


Can anyone here decipher what this string of words is supposed to mean?

Get through what without what happening a couple of times?
 
That's ridiculous.

So the second a child is born, he/she is sentient...but the second before they're born, he/she is not?

Of course not.

That was probably the wrong word to use in this instance. The OP asked what a fetus (or the reader as a fetus) would prefer. Fetuses have no capacity to prefer anything, they have no capacity for rational thought or decision making. That's what I intended.
 
That's ridiculous.

So the second a child is born, he/she is sentient...but the second before they're born, he/she is not?

Of course not.

When do you think "sentience" begins?

Do you think a fetus prior to the 12th week is sentient?
 
If you were conceived in a womb that was going to abort you would you rather it be done right away or would you rather cling to life a few more months and be a late term abortion?

Seeing that we're all in this together and share responsibility it is unlikely that any of us will get through it without this happening to us at least a couple of times.

I'm wondering what the value of a ban on late term abortions?

Eh. Probably irrelevant, from the perspective of myself. Pretty much no fetus that might possibly be aborted has any useful brain function, so I wouldn't know the difference. Once you start getting to the viability line, they'll do a C-section or a labor before they'll do an abortion.

There's no meaningful brain function until about 24 weeks (none whatsoever before 21 or so), and even that is very irregular and incapable of conveying any sense of experience to the fetus. That's one of the challenges for super premies actually: they can't get any proper rest to help them recover, because their brain doesn't even know how to sleep (or breathe, or swallow...). Full brain function isn't there until about 35 weeks. They'll be doing a C-section for that kind of gestational age, in some cases even if the fetus isn't viable -- as an emergency procedure, a C-section is safer for the woman, once the fetus is that large.

So if I was said fetus, it makes no difference from my end. But for the sake of the woman, earlier is better. Less strain on the body, less risk of complication.

The value of the ban? None. All it does is put red tape in front of women having medical crises, making it more likely that they'll die while they're waiting for some stuffed shirt to sign the paperwork.

Women don't wait 7 months to abort a pregnancy they never wanted. They're usually forced to by medical circumstance. Or sometimes, they choose it as a more merciful course of action for a devastatingly or mortally disfigured fetus. America has just as many late-term abortions as Canada, where this is no restriction, and that is the reason why. Late-term abortions aren't something women get for fun.

Making them ridiculously hard to get just puts women's lives at risk.
 
Last edited:
When do you think "sentience" begins?

Do you think a fetus prior to the 12th week is sentient?

I don't know.

I DEFINITELY do NOT think it begins before brain activity.

And I DEFINITELY think it begins before birth.

But where it begins in between those two points? I do not know.

My guess is closer to the former then the latter.
 
How many of these types of thread do we have to endure :roll:
 
no vote
once man learns to respect woman .. and himself ..there will be no abortions ..
Right now, do it ASAP !
 
The mother's what?

Light pole, the ray of light connecting your pituitary gland to the "I AM" Presence and it's first Throne Room about fifty feet above you.

At conception the fetus is connected through it's mothers pole taking on her astrological characteristics.

When the umbilical cord is cut the child's Mighty "I AM" Presence sends it's own ray of light from the heart center of creation (that exists all around the sphere) directly above entering through the constellations and solar system taking on it's own astrological characteristics.

Can anyone here decipher what this string of words is supposed to mean?

Get through what without what happening a couple of times?

Get through life, your long path of material existence without being aborted a few times.

Full brain function isn't there until about 35 weeks.

What? One week before birth? Surely there is brain activity sooner than this. What do you mean by, "full brain function?" This is just more excuse for your side of the debate.

How many of these types of thread do we have to endure :roll:

All of them.
 
Light pole, the ray of light connecting your pituitary gland to the "I AM" Presence and it's first Throne Room about fifty feet above you.

At conception the fetus is connected through it's mothers pole taking on her astrological characteristics.

When the umbilical cord is cut the child's Mighty "I AM" Presence sends it's own ray of light from the heart center of creation (that exists all around the sphere) directly above entering through the constellations and solar system taking on it's own astrological characteristics.

Get through life, your long path of material existence without being aborted a few times.

What? One week before birth? Surely there is brain activity sooner than this. What do you mean by, "full brain function?" This is just more excuse for your side of the debate.

All of them.


:shock:


Um. Well, so.... you see.... actually... that's kind of....

:cuckoo:
 
Last edited:
What? One week before birth? Surely there is brain activity sooner than this. What do you mean by, "full brain function?" This is just more excuse for your side of the debate.

Birth is 40 weeks, actually. What I mean by "full brain function" is that all the systems required for sustained life are working in a fully consistent fashion without technological intervention. Babies born below this point may still survive, and have a pretty decent prognosis with medical care if they were older than 28 weeks, but they will require a fair bit of help.

Yes, there's lots of brain activity before that (as I said, the first signs of brain activity begin around 21 weeks, though they are nowhere near viable at that point), but it isn't fully mature until about 35 weeks. A baby born before then will have hard time coordinating their breathing.

There's a reason babies are supposed to be born around 40 weeks. That is when they are ready. If they could be born sooner without any deficit in function, they would be. Even moderately premature infants have some significant hurdles, usually having to do with deficits in lung and brain function.

Sorry. That's just biology for ya.
 
Last edited:
Sorry. That's just biology for ya.

Like I say, we are more than just these bodies.

The Soul is experiencing all this.

What it cares to record in brain memory may vary.

Even right now you are doing many things you are unaware of or could become aware of but we've become so enmeshed in these bodies that we no longer remember the other functions of our soul.
 
Like I say, we are more than just these bodies.

The Soul is experiencing all this.

What it cares to record in brain memory may vary.

Even right now you are doing many things you are unaware of or could become aware of but we've become so enmeshed in these bodies that we no longer remember the other functions of our soul.

Well if you're going to bring a bunch of mythological nonsense into the equation, then how is anyone to answer this question? I can just as easily say there's no such thing and thus the "soul" factor is irrelevant, and my argument is just as good, if not better.

It can't record anything if there is no brain, dude.
 
Well if you're going to bring a bunch of mythological nonsense into the equation, then how is anyone to answer this question? I can just as easily say there's no such thing and thus the "soul" factor is irrelevant, and my argument is just as good, if not better.

It can't record anything if there is no brain, dude.

Answer this question?

You seem to think the answer must be that fetus is not sentient.

You can record on the electrons of the DNA and although this record is more difficult to retrieve than other forms of storage it still exists.

Without the Science of the Soul we are all just dead matter bobbing around with no moral purpose and this whole conversation is meaningless.

Without the Supreme Person to enjoy our revere here, what are we doing?

See, there is an existential problem with disregarding the Spiritual perspective.

Problem is that people don't have enough Spiritual input to get the whole picture so they try to defend their point of view from the texts of one or another ism. One religion argues with another and another rejects science. All must be balanced to achieve a proper perspective.

Nothing wrong with a purely material perspective though. No more so than a bigoted Religious perspective.
 
Answer this question?

You seem to think the answer must be that fetus is not sentient.

You can record on the electrons of the DNA and although this record is more difficult to retrieve than other forms of storage it still exists.

Without the Science of the Soul we are all just dead matter bobbing around with no moral purpose and this whole conversation is meaningless.

Without the Supreme Person to enjoy our revere here, what are we doing?

See, there is an existential problem with disregarding the Spiritual perspective.

Problem is that people don't have enough Spiritual input to get the whole picture so they try to defend their point of view from the texts of one or another ism. One religion argues with another and another rejects science. All must be balanced to achieve a proper perspective.

Nothing wrong with a purely material perspective though. No more so than a bigoted Religious perspective.

Well, it isn't. At the age when abortions occur, it has no brain. Sentience comes from the brain.

...I think you're talking about epigenetics? Hard to tell, since your grasp of it is so poor. But epigenetics are not memories. They are soft-wired mutations on genes.

We don't have any moral purpose to the larger cosmos as far as we can tell. It doesn't seem to care that we're here. Even the earth itself seems ambivalent. However, we are a social species. Us being moral to each other, in the way we think of morality, makes perfectly good sense, regardless of whether the universe cares or not. We care.

What are we doing? Whatever we want. Why do you need to think you're important to the entire universe for your life to be worth living? Why can't you simply appreciate that you're doing it?

I, personally, am not so insecure.

...Also, this is little rant about religion rejecting science is ironic from the guy who's rejecting science in favor of a security blanket mythology narrative. Science says things without brains are not sentient.
 
no vote
once man learns to respect woman .. and himself ..there will be no abortions ..
Right now, do it ASAP !

Notice you didn't say anything about women respecting men or themselves. You put it all on men. :roll:
 
If you were conceived in a womb that was going to abort you would you rather it be done right away or would you rather cling to life a few more months and be a late term abortion?

Seeing that we're all in this together and share responsibility it is unlikely that any of us will get through it without this happening to us at least a couple of times.

I'm wondering what the value of a ban on late term abortions?

This has got to be one of the stupidest polls I've seen in my time here.

BTW, nothing is 'conceived in a womb'. Do learn some biology.
 
If you were conceived in a womb that was going to abort you would you rather it be done right away or would you rather cling to life a few more months and be a late term abortion?

Seeing that we're all in this together and share responsibility it is unlikely that any of us will get through it without this happening to us at least a couple of times.

I'm wondering what the value of a ban on late term abortions?

First, I would think scientists would be amazed that a fetus had the brain development to weigh such options.
 
I can't vote in this poll because the premise is faulty. A foetus can not even contemplate it's own existence never mind think about it's own demise. It's no more self aware than are the cells which make up my fingernails.
 
Back
Top Bottom