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Boycotting Target?

Are you Boycotting Target?

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roguenuke said:
Why should they have "stayed out of it" though? Just because you think they should? In the long run, it won't make any difference at all in Target's bottom line. I have no issue with them publicly announcing their policy so that people don't call the cops or have a cow when someone at my level (manager on duty) tells a customer their policy and the customer gets upset about it (such as the REI incident or Planet Fitness incident).
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Simple, because they are a store. They sell merchandise. They have stores in all kinds of markets. Many different demographics shop at Target. No matter what policy they decided to adopt they were going to offend someone. In many areas this isn't an issue. In others it is. When Target weighed in on the gun issue, there were some areas they saw a backlash. Political issues won't help a retailer, they only have a downside. There is no win in announcing a controversial policy. The grocery chain Publix is an example of one that steers far clear of political issues.
 
Redress said:
Target stock is doing the exact same thing Kroger and Walmart stock has been doing. Compare the graphs, they are almost identical.
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Kroger is down 4% from 4/19 to now.
Walmart is down 6% from 4/19 to now.
Target is down 10% from 4/19 to now.
 
Southern Dad said:
Kroger is down 4% from 4/19 to now.
Walmart is down 6% from 4/19 to now.
Target is down 10% from 4/19 to now.
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So what you are saying is they are all trending down. Target was significantly higher than Kroger or Walmart, which would in part explain why they are down more. You are kinda grasping at straws to justify your conclusion. While it is not impossible that stock prices are down to an extent because of the boycott, that would be impossible to prove(it is impossible to isolate the variable for something like that). And stock price fluctuations are not a big deal for a corporation.
 
Southern Dad said:
Simple, because they are a store. They sell merchandise. They have stores in all kinds of markets. Many different demographics shop at Target. No matter what policy they decided to adopt they were going to offend someone. In many areas this isn't an issue. In others it is. When Target weighed in on the gun issue, there were some areas they saw a backlash. Political issues won't help a retailer, they only have a downside. There is no win in announcing a controversial policy. The grocery chain Publix is an example of one that steers far clear of political issues.
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And plenty of stores post publicly their nondiscrimination policies. Hell, my store just recently put up a letter in every store in the chain which basically just says they follow the law when it comes to policies concerning military members who work at their stores. It is an effort to show they "support the troops", yet all they did was say "we allow them time off to perform military duties", something they are legally required to do anyway.
 
Orly? said:
One of the biggest things killing our economy..

Buy Made in USA - quit the cheap crap
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I know this was some time ago. I just now stopped laughing about it. Was this intended as irony from a trump supporter?
 
Southern Dad said:
It's just so confusing! It used to be that I could do a sensitive items inventory and know which restroom to use but now I have to think about how I feel today.
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Ah yes, some men shouldn't do their own thinking... that is probably the biggest reason they get married...

In all the decades I've been on this planet I've never had to think about which bathroom I should use... if you have to stop and think then perhaps Target's new policy is just what you need... :peace
 
Southern Dad said:
Simple, because they are a store. They sell merchandise. They have stores in all kinds of markets. Many different demographics shop at Target. No matter what policy they decided to adopt they were going to offend someone. In many areas this isn't an issue. In others it is. When Target weighed in on the gun issue, there were some areas they saw a backlash. Political issues won't help a retailer, they only have a downside. There is no win in announcing a controversial policy. The grocery chain Publix is an example of one that steers far clear of political issues.
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I find it a bit ironic a 'very conservative' male talks about it being better for a business to stay out of 'politics'. Do you remember Duck Dynasty or Chic-Fil-a, or perhaps Hobby Lobby...

Fact is all these companies are composed of people and they have opinions. I guess you just don't care for non conservative political statements.

Dunno about Target's public statements on 'guns', do know they allow open carry in the Lawton, Ok store. I've seen it several times and I'm pretty sure the revolver carrying Guy was no cop... ;)

Target has always embraced 'Pride' and every year celebrates that with posters and sales... I'm surprised you didn't see this before.

Lawton America isn't a liberal hotbed... :)

But the Target store was never protested, some calls but that it literally the least a 'righteous' person can do... :roll:

Just an FYI, last weekend Target was 7.3% over the sales same weekend last year. The store manager (STL) told me that.

I believe like Chic-fil-a customers could care less about bathrooms and far more about how well the business fills the niche it carves out for itself.

Target's issues are not political, but finding and filling the niche in a rather crowded field- Walmart has a super store, a regular store and a market all in a 84,000 person town. Kmart is here, a dozen dollar whatevers and online shopping... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
I find it a bit ironic a 'very conservative' male talks about it being better for a business to stay out of 'politics'. Do you remember Duck Dynasty or Chic-Fil-a, or perhaps Hobby Lobby...

Fact is all these companies are composed of people and they have opinions. I guess you just don't care for non conservative political statements.

Dunno about Target's public statements on 'guns', do know they allow open carry in the Lawton, Ok store. I've seen it several times and I'm pretty sure the revolver carrying Guy was no cop... ;)

Target has always embraced 'Pride' and every year celebrates that with posters and sales... I'm surprised you didn't see this before.

Lawton America isn't a liberal hotbed... :)

But the Target store was never protested, some calls but that it literally the least a 'righteous' person can do... :roll:

Just an FYI, last weekend Target was 7.3% over the sales same weekend last year. The store manager (STL) told me that.

I believe like Chic-fil-a customers could care less about bathrooms and far more about how well the business fills the niche it carves out for itself.

Target's issues are not political, but finding and filling the niche in a rather crowded field- Walmart has a super store, a regular store and a market all in a 84,000 person town. Kmart is here, a dozen dollar whatevers and online shopping... :peace
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Chick Fil A did not venture into politics. The President of the company was being personally interviewed and he made a pro-traditional marriage statement. The statement was something was an opinion and was not a corporate policy. As a result of that statement, they were picketed, and boycotted. In their case, it did cause an outpouring of support, as well. In addition, to this day there are government officials trying to block Chick Fil A from opening stores in certain major cities. Chick Fil A is not a good example to compare to because they are willing to sacrifice profits for their beliefs. This is seen by the fact that they remain closed on Sunday at all locations. This includes their Dwarf Houses which has a buffet. Think about what a buffet would do for them on Sunday. It also includes their mall locations and airport locations. No Sundays.

https://corporate.target.com/article/2014/07/target-addresses-firearms-in-stores
 
Southern Dad said:
Chick Fil A did not venture into politics. The President of the company was being personally interviewed and he made a pro-traditional marriage statement. The statement was something was an opinion and was not a corporate policy. As a result of that statement, they were picketed, and boycotted. In their case, it did cause an outpouring of support, as well. In addition, to this day there are government officials trying to block Chick Fil A from opening stores in certain major cities. Chick Fil A is not a good example to compare to because they are willing to sacrifice profits for their beliefs. This is seen by the fact that they remain closed on Sunday at all locations. This includes their Dwarf Houses which has a buffet. Think about what a buffet would do for them on Sunday. It also includes their mall locations and airport locations. No Sundays.
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He took a stand on a social hot button issue instead of passing by, same with the Duck guys. hobby lobby pushed further by taking the ACA to court instead of 'sticking to business'... did ya miss that one???

chic is a great comparable- Target is doing the same thing- 'sacrificing' profit for belief... but we both know neither will lose in the end...

now I see closing on Sundays as a publicity stunt more than 'concern' for workers being able to go to Church. All use part-time workers as the bulk of their workforce. Most are quite willing to work on Sunday- the CEO and his family can attend church knowing the chain is in good hands for a day.

I think if they were serious about their faith they would open on Sundays- there will be plenty of part time workers eager to make money to pay bills- and after expenses all profits going to the local United Way...

non controversial win-win for all the righteous CEOs. Course if hobby lobby was serious about their workers a customer wouldn't have to wander the entire store to find a worker bee... :peace
 
Southern Dad said:
https://corporate.target.com/article/2014/07/target-addresses-firearms-in-stores
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I forgot to address this...

Target says it will not ban firearms in stores. it asks on this website for people to not bring them in but please take a pic of the sign in a Target store asking this...

again making far too much of an obscure statement when the store actions and signage show zero resistance to open or concealed permitted carry...

or BTW did you figure out which bathroom you want to use when you visit Target... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
He took a stand on a social hot button issue instead of passing by, same with the Duck guys. hobby lobby pushed further by taking the ACA to court instead of 'sticking to business'... did ya miss that one???

chic is a great comparable- Target is doing the same thing- 'sacrificing' profit for belief... but we both know neither will lose in the end...

now I see closing on Sundays as a publicity stunt more than 'concern' for workers being able to go to Church. All use part-time workers as the bulk of their workforce. Most are quite willing to work on Sunday- the CEO and his family can attend church knowing the chain is in good hands for a day.

I think if they were serious about their faith they would open on Sundays- there will be plenty of part time workers eager to make money to pay bills- and after expenses all profits going to the local United Way...

non controversial win-win for all the righteous CEOs. Course if hobby lobby was serious about their workers a customer wouldn't have to wander the entire store to find a worker bee... :peace
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They are serious about their faith and do not open on Sundays or Christmas because they want their employees to have that day to spend with their families. I knew Truett Cathy and he believed that will all of his heart. There have been pitch after pitch about a franchise wanting to stay open on Sunday. It was never an option. Mall of Georgia requires all of the stores, restaurants, etc to be open certain hours by contract, seven days a week. Chick Fil A simply told them that wasn't an option. The mall relented. In this area, you don't have a mall without a CFA.

Here are his two simple statements that he made that caused all the ruckus. The first was on a radio show and the second was a magazine interview.

I think we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say, "We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage". I pray God's mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we have the audacity to define what marriage is about.
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"We are very much supportive of the family — the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that. ... We want to do anything we possibly can to strengthen families. We are very much committed to that," Cathy emphasized. "We intend to stay the course," he said. "We know that it might not be popular with everyone, but thank the Lord, we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles."
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Southern Dad said:
They are serious about their faith and do not open on Sundays or Christmas because they want their employees to have that day to spend with their families. I knew Truett Cathy and he believed that will all of his heart. There have been pitch after pitch about a franchise wanting to stay open on Sunday. It was never an option. Mall of Georgia requires all of the stores, restaurants, etc to be open certain hours by contract, seven days a week. Chick Fil A simply told them that wasn't an option. The mall relented. In this area, you don't have a mall without a CFA. Here are his two simple statements that he made that caused all the ruckus. The first was on a radio show and the second was a magazine interview.
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BS, a few employees may want to take Sundays off, but there is ZERO doubt many of the part time workers want to pay bills more than go to Church. Name the stores that have employees wishing they could have Sunday off to go to church and not recover from the Saturday night club scene- and don't get it.

This is all about a CEO wanting his idea of religious freedom and not the workers he claims to be soooo concerned about.... :roll:

Target has zero problem with employees not having Sunday availability. Rather than demand ALL workers hold the CEO's personal religious belief, why not allow freedom of religion and those how wish to work so they can pay their bills- I don't think Truett Cathy wondered how he was going to make rent by not working Sundays... ;)

No doubt Cathy thinks he is being a righteous man, but I don't agree. he honored himself before his workers. To claim otherwise is forgetting prayer doesn't pay your rent.

You didn't reply to the target posting about firearms on their website- you wish to make it an issue when it received NONE of the backlash the interviews did.
 
notquiteright said:
BS, a few employees may want to take Sundays off, but there is ZERO doubt many of the part time workers want to pay bills more than go to Church. Name the stores that have employees wishing they could have Sunday off to go to church and not recover from the Saturday night club scene- and don't get it.

This is all about a CEO wanting his idea of religious freedom and not the workers he claims to be soooo concerned about.... :roll:

Target has zero problem with employees not having Sunday availability. Rather than demand ALL workers hold the CEO's personal religious belief, why not allow freedom of religion and those how wish to work so they can pay their bills- I don't think Truett Cathy wondered how he was going to make rent by not working Sundays... ;)

No doubt Cathy thinks he is being a righteous man, but I don't agree. he honored himself before his workers. To claim otherwise is forgetting prayer doesn't pay your rent.

You didn't reply to the target posting about firearms on their website- you wish to make it an issue when it received NONE of the backlash the interviews did.
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The founder opted to never be open on Sunday. They lose a ton of revenue by not being open on Sunday. Truett Cathy started with one Dwarf House (CFA) in Hapeville. The employees of CFA are treated well. CFA does not require anyone working for the chain to be of any religion. They simply give Sundays off to spend with their families. The sign below is at every CFA on Sunday.

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Target's stock price continues its steep decline. On 4/19 Target was at $83.98 and now they are at $67.99, which is a 19% decline. For comparison Walmart was at $69.77 on that same day and is now at $63.14 which is a 7% decline. Kroger was at $36.23 on 4/19 and is now at $34.37 or a 5% decline. A stock losing nearly 20% of its value in a thirty day period is serious. Next argument is this happens every year this time of the year. No. No it doesn't On 4/19/2015 Target's stock price was $77.08 then on May 19, 2015 the stock price was $75.56 which is a 2% decline.

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Southern Dad said:
Target's stock price continues its steep decline. On 4/19 Target was at $83.98 and now they are at $67.99, which is a 19% decline. For comparison Walmart was at $69.77 on that same day and is now at $63.14 which is a 7% decline. Kroger was at $36.23 on 4/19 and is now at $34.37 or a 5% decline. A stock losing nearly 20% of its value in a thirty day period is serious. Next argument is this happens every year this time of the year. No. No it doesn't On 4/19/2015 Target's stock price was $77.08 then on May 19, 2015 the stock price was $75.56 which is a 2% decline.

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The only argument needed is that this is happening to similarly compared companies, including Walmart. Walmart started at a lower point than Target. The graph is in the other link. You have no evidence that this is from any boycott. You are still attempting correlation equals causation with no actual evidence.
 
Sorry, but I can't read this whole thread. I would like to say that I can't recall ever having looked around to check out the genitalia of other people when I've used a public bathroom, and I find it somewhat fascinating that super-Christians feel compelled to do so.

I don't want to seem insensitive, but all this transgender stuff is something I have no familiarity with. My thought is that if someone transitions, say, from a male to a female, they're gonna perhaps start wearing dresses. Under the Strict Rules of Bigotry these hypocrites want to enforce, that individual would be required to use the men's room. If I saw someone in a public bathroom wearing a dress, I might well say something like, "I don't mean to embarrass you, ma'am, but yer in the men's room."

For an old dog like me, transgender issues are something I never thought I'd be dealing with. But the world changes, in this case I suppose for the better. I just think it's sad that we need to weather a storm of hysterical protests from people obsessed with the sexuality of others. And I can't begin to figure out how this requirement that you use the bathroom of the gender on yer birth certificate can be enforced. Should I be required to carry around a copy of it to show the "package checker" guarding the restroom door that I was born a male?
 
roguenuke said:
The only argument needed is that this is happening to similarly compared companies, including Walmart. Walmart started at a lower point than Target. The graph is in the other link. You have no evidence that this is from any boycott. You are still attempting correlation equals causation with no actual evidence.
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$66.92 and still falling. Walmart rebounded. 4/19 WMT was $69.77 and now it is $68.83 which puts it higher than Target. So while Target is down 20%, Walmart is down 1.5% and that my friend, is a huge difference. Walmart is up over $5 per share today! Target has dropped another buck.
 
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Southern Dad said:
$66.92 and still falling. Walmart rebounded. 4/19 WMT was $69.77 and now it is $68.83 which puts it higher than Target. So while Target is down 20%, Walmart is down 1.5% and that my friend, is a huge difference. Walmart is up over $5 per share today! Target has dropped another buck.
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Because Walmart released their quarterly reports this morning. I've already posted that market analysts (those guys who actually have a clue about how the stock market works) have said that the rise in Walmart stock is not something that people should plan to keep going up.
 
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