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Which is more anti-American?

Which is more anti-American?


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Pollute or needlessly damage. Say for example you burn an old growth forest just to do it or throw your old used oil out where it can be washed into streams. That kind of thing.

Pollution is just bad, ignorant and horrific. I don't intentionally not pollute because I'm American. I don't do it because I care too much about animal habitats. I don't desecrate flags because I'm American. I don't do it because I think it's disrespectful to the memories of the men and women who died so I could live in such a great country.

I don't see either one as being "anti-American".
 
Just because someone is theoretically "free" to do something, doesn't make them any less of an asshole for actually doing it. No one ever said that flag burning should necessarily be illegal, per se, just that it is often "anti-American."

But we have the right, as Americans, to be assholes if we want. That doesn't mean you have to admire the person, it doesn't mean you have to like the person, it just means that you can't stop the person from acting on the freedom that they have as Americans. It amazes me how many "rah rah" hyper-American right-wingers don't seem to understand that everything that makes America great not only allows, but encourages this kind of behavior and anyone who dislikes it also dislikes what America stands for.
 
How is going to Walmart and buying a flag with one's own money and setting that private property on fire, anti-American?

I can go to Walmart, buy a flag, make it into beach shorts, a table cloth, window curtains, my dog's bed liner, a kite and no one would say..."what are you doing?"

If I threw a wadded up Jack in the Box bag on the ground in front of a group of people...someone is likely to say something. I know if I were to do that in front of a police officer, I would surely hear about it.

Desecrating the land, in any form, is not looked upon positively by the American people. Desecration the land is unlawful in many cases...and just plain un-American.
 


Again, no one here is defending, or putting forward the idea, that companies should simply go around dumping pollutants wherever they feel like it, free of consequence. That is both illegal, and immoral, in that it very often compromises the health and welfare of people living nearby.

Some of us would, however, agree that some amount of pollution is the inevitable result of, and a fair price to pay for, simple material progress. That progress ultimately makes life better for everyone by creating more wealth and opportunity for the population in general to enjoy. The amount of the former we are willing to tolerate in pursuit of the latter simply happens to exist as a matter of degree, on a spectrum of sorts.

In other words, no, I don't think simply exploiting land and resources for industry counts as "desecration." I do, however, think that dangerous and irresponsible forms of dumping should be illegal. I also think burning a flag which represents the American people and the American way of life is a rather major dick move, and that the people who do so are morons.


I don't "defend" methamphetamine use, but I am vociferously against laws throwing meth heads in prison. Likewise, no Conservative defends polluting, but they are vociferously against laws regulating businesses in how they dispose of pollutants. One political side tends to suggest that the EPA should be disbanded, and that side ain't us.

Ask locals who are now facing the health ramifications of loose environmental laws whether they are more offended by a flag burning or the factory's solvent dumping and the answer won't be very ambiguous.
 
Neither, desecrating the land is the thing that is worse but it isn't un-American (and burning the flag isn't either).
 
Since the private ownership of land is how we do things here in America, what you do to your land is your business. The same goes for a flag--if its yours, do what you want with it. That said, intentionally desecrating an American flag is a sign of disrespect and hatred for the country. In that sense, to hate America is rather un-American

No, desecrating the flag is NOT necessarily a sign of disrespect and hatred.

Since you do not know what is in the hearts and minds of everyone who does it, then you cannot possibly know what their intentions were.

The flag means NOTHING to me...it is just a piece of cloth. So if I desecrate it, it does not not mean disrespect and hatred, it just means I don't give a **** about the flag...or ANY flag.

No offense, but I think it is mind numbingly ridiculous to look upon a flag as anything but a piece of cloth.
 
BOTH

I see you conveniently did not make that option.

See how easily POLL RESULTS can be manipulated?
 
The flag ultimately represents the land. Just like the picture represents your mother. Would you rather them burn your mother's picture, or your mother?

You have to ask yourself this...

What kind of mindset would people have to want to do either one!

What does their desire to do either one say about them.

It is the poisoned mind that makes them want to do either one is why I fight them tooth and nail.
 
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You have to ask yourself this...

What kind of mindset would people have to have to do either one!

What does their desire to do either one say about them.

It is the poisoned mind that makes them want to do either one is why I fight them tooth and nail.

I don't see any conceivable way that burning a person or burning a picture of them are equivalent.
 
I don't see any conceivable way that burning a person or burning a picture of them are equivalent.
when I burn pictures I burn pictures of people burning pictures
 
I don't see any conceivable way that burning a person or burning a picture of them are equivalent.

The MINDEST is what I was talking about in my post.

read it again.

I was talking about the mindest of someone who would want to do either one.

What kind of special dick would someone have to be to take the pic of someone's mother and burn it. What kind of MINDSET would they have to do such a thing.

I will tell you, That kind of mindset would also burn people with no problem.

A little bit more obtuse is the fact the FBI is now keeping tract of animal abusers, because someone who would do that also has it in them to do that to people.

The MINDSET.

but because you say you are NEVER wrong, you will not acknowledge this.
 
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Of these two, which do you think is more anti-American / unpatriotic?

1. Desecrating our flag.

2. Desecrating our land.

I'm not even sure how one would "desecrate" the land

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but because you say you are NEVER wrong, you will not acknowledge this.

wait what

When did I say that? Quote the post, please.

That notwithstanding, no, there is no comparison between the "mindset" of someone burning a picture and burning a person. None whatsoever. Animal abuse (which is sometimes a precursor to serial killing, FYI) doesn't enter into the equation at all. Total red herring there, RNS.

when I burn pictures I burn pictures of people burning pictures

you just blew my mind
 
What's really anti-American is trying to force others to adopt your ideas.

Think about it.
 
I'm not even sure how one would "desecrate" the land

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By polluting the crap out of it, is what I believe the OP was aiming at, but I could be mistaken.
 
No that is not what I mean at all. I mean those that purposely start forest fires, go offroading in sensative areas and rut them up just to do it, dump their trash on the side of the road, or dump their used oil out where it can wash into rivers and steams.

People do that sort of thing all the time.

Those that break the law are criminals. I suppose one could argue that if one breaks the law it is anti American laws or whatever, but that is different than attacking a symbol of the Union.
 
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