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Who are Muslims?

Have you ever personally known a Muslim?

  • yes

    Votes: 38 95.0%

  • no

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • Total voters
    40
Re: Who are Muslim's?

NoMoreDems-Reps said:
we should not associate all Muslims with the Fundamentalist/terrorist type too.
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I agree wholeheartedly, but I think we get into a problem when we compare fundamentalist with terrorist. Think about it.

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You may stop reading at this point, if you don’t like long posts, as the rest is just additional fluff.

“Anyone who wants to crush Islamic fundamentalism. I'll be honest, I support that too. Not because I despise Islam, but because fundamentalists of all faiths are fanatics and followers of mumbo jumbo. Even that is not cause. What is cause is their own gleeful participation in murder and mayhem.” (A “liberal” Democrat who once admitted to have never voted for anyone but a Democrat)

“[60.8] Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.”

If the fundamentalist is bad, then it is either the individual is bad or the fundamentals of their holy book must be bad.

“Muslim if we keep the quotes from religious texts short in any other topic we won’t get in trouble with the Webmaster and will be able to get to the bottom of our misunderstandings, but since you have moved here we can stay here if you please. I myself can’t understand anyone, like some on this board, who are so insecure in their beliefs or lack there of as to be offended by others simple words…
…To understand whether the news I read is incorrect or whether I should think badly of the Taliban of Afghanistan I must have some idea as to how the Taliban thinks. I must in essence read the book that they base their actions on and then if there are a discrepancies between the news, the actions of the Taliban, and the Koran I can then determine if I should investigate further.” (posted August 30, 2001 10:35 PM)

If Al Quacka are conservative fundamentalists, the Koran is evil. {period} There is absolutely no reason to allow Muslims to get critical mass in this country if fundamentalists are to be associated with terrorists. Al Quacka is Islamifascist, they claim to be Muslims, they are fascists (I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders). If any Muslim is offended by the term Islamifascist, the average Moslem needs to explain their Black Stone Idolatry to me. And I could care less what a stinking “liberal” thinks about it.

If I appear abrasive at times with the black stone idolatry charge, it is just to thicken Muslim skins a little. Muslims on a message board I was on before 911, seemed to disappear before the attack and never came back to answer the questions after 9ll; when we needed answers the most, Muslims ran from the “rabid BS” with us staring at bloody mujahedeen links taking us to sites explaining that no compulsion in religion means we either accept the perfect math of the clear communications of the Koran or DIE. As if No Muslims have ever believed some Christians or Catholics (with all their recycled Roman idols) were exceeding the limits, and therefore transgressors, so I see no reason not to challenge Muslim Idolatry or Icon worship or to feel ashamed putting them to the question.

“hey there,
i am here in this forum from now on. we can post back and forth regarding religion. if you need any info in the real islam and not the media's version, then i will be glad to provide you with it. that is if i am capable. i will search for an online english version of the quraan and post the link here, if for some reason i dont come too often to this board, email me and provide a link for me to get back here lol i may have lost it!” (posted August 30, 2001 03:50 PM)

Real Islam and not the media’s version? Where Have I heard that before?

Once saved, always saved, a somewhat dangerous doctrine in any religion, but not quite as dangerous as predestination:

“[2.256] There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.”

1 Timothy 4 “The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.”
 
Re: Who are Muslim's?

Billo_Really said:
From all the Muslim's I have met through my work or incidently outside of work, I have to say that the over-whelming majority have been the most kind, thoughtful and compassionate people I have ever met in my life.
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That's because our Muslim population is the most moderate in the entire world , Muslims aren't the problem Islamists are the problem and they're ideology is spreading like wild fire and must be eliminated. Tell me are these "Muslims" the most "thoughtful and compassionate people you have met in your life":

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Re: Who are Muslim's?

EAGLE1 said:
Sorry mate, it was an amatuer effort to infiltrate the neo cons here, you know, get them to tell me where their secret base is then.....BOOM! Aerial bombardment from the liberal gunships! Mass arrests, torture, executions you know the usual liberal methods.
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You maybe being facetious but in the poll most people on this board think that neo-cons should be arrested not surprising because the new left is nothing if it isn't fascist.
 
Re: Who are Muslim's?

Trajan Octavian Titus said:
That's because our Muslim population is the most moderate in the entire world , Muslims aren't the problem Islamists are the problem and they're ideology is spreading like wild fire and must be eliminated.
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Ironically, since those that share your beliefs on the subject started trying to stamp out radical islam, it has spread at faster rates than ever before.
 
Bleeting Squeeler

"Bleeting Squeeler"
Khayembii Communique said:
The ones that believe that Muslims are normal people like anyone else actually know Muslims, or at least know what Islam is about. (The smart people)
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Great, more sectarian jabs by the proselytizing arab cultural peanut gallery at the - no doubt they are all atheist, pagan - dumb people.
Accept the good guys, the fastest growing religion; resistance is futile; so pound heads in flamboyant display while presenting anus.
Khayembii Communique said:
Those that think all Muslims are "Islamofascist" terrorists bent on imposing their beliefs on others at all costs understand Islam as it is portrayed in the media - as an other which is used to rally support in the "War on Terror". (The sheep)
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Come join us in our airport cabs but, forget: the liquor, the seeing eye dogs, the pork chop checkout girls, the special treatment, and all the european dissent; by the way put hajibs on those air traffic controllers and get us another runway.
Anyone read the halal procedure on sacrificing sheep?
 
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Enlightenment

"Enlightenment"
SouthernDemocrat said:
Ironically, since those that share your beliefs on the subject started trying to stamp out radical islam, it has spread at faster rates than ever before.
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Radical elements that develop are being identified and rectified under authority.
As it is arab cultural hegemony, its general mystique will wane as well.
 
Re: Enlightenment

Monk-Eye said:
"Enlightenment"
Radical elements that develop are being identified and rectified under authority.
As it is arab cultural hegemony, its general mystique will wane as well.
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The general mystique of Christianity sure did wane as the Roman Empire tried to stamp it out.

The general mystique of Islam sure did wane as the Church tried to stamp it out in the crusades.

The general mystique of Protestants sure did wane as the Catholic Church tried to stamp it out in the Inquisition.

The general mystique of the Charismatic Movement sure has waned as the Mainline Protestant and Catholic Church has tried to stamp it out.
 
I'm weary of all Muslims. Especially those who converted to Islam post 9/11. I actually have a genuine dislike for them(the post 9/11 converts). I guess I'm an a$$. But I'd never give 'em a hard time and I wouldn't allow my feelings to cause me to treat them with ill manners or disrespect. But if I'm gonna be honest then I'm weary of all Muslims.
 
talloulou said:
I'm weary of all Muslims. Especially those who converted to Islam post 9/11. I actually have a genuine dislike for them(the post 9/11 converts). I guess I'm an a$$. But I'd never give 'em a hard time and I wouldn't allow my feelings to cause me to treat them with ill manners or disrespect. But if I'm gonna be honest then I'm weary of all Muslims.
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Oh no you can't say that it's only acceptable to say that you don't like Christians.
 
Originally Posted by talloulou
I'm weary of all Muslims. Especially those who converted to Islam post 9/11. I actually have a genuine dislike for them(the post 9/11 converts). I guess I'm an a$$. But I'd never give 'em a hard time and I wouldn't allow my feelings to cause me to treat them with ill manners or disrespect. But if I'm gonna be honest then I'm weary of all Muslims.
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<<Did I miss something here?>>
Originally Posted by TOT
Oh no you can't say that it's only acceptable to say that you don't like Christians.
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Re: Who are Muslim's?

Trajan Octavian Titus said:
You maybe being facetious but in the poll most people on this board think that neo-cons should be arrested not surprising because the new left is nothing if it isn't fascist.
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No most on this board think they should be exposed for the stupidity and evil that they are. You say that the new left is fascist but it was the neo con project to create the lightning war on Iraq.
 
If anyone is genuinly interested in learning more about Muslims and Arabs in general, PM me and I'll give you a link to an Arab forum I belong to.Don't worry though it's in English. It's mostly people in their late teens and twenties and is a forum designed to bridge the gap our leaders try and force upon us. That's whats lovely about the internet, you can swim through all the bullsh1t you get fed and find out the truth about certain people. Not one of the people I talk to over there is nowhere near being a terrorist, they are super great people.
 
Devil In The Details

"Devil In The Details"
EAGLE1 said:
No most on this board think they should be exposed for the stupidity and evil that they are.
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To remain morally consistent with your elevated muslim endorsement and extreme humanistic validation through interpersonal skills, don't you mean to separate the behavior from the individual and the individual from the group, by stating that stupid and evil acts by certain christians should be exposed?

If muslims gain a political foothold, the pundits of civil liberty will be fighting for the political rights from multiple directions.
Aside from abortion and homosexuality, the christian political varacity has been filed, with exception might be charity and evangelizing.

Negative rights are equally protected.
Positive rights are not equally endowed.

An issue with muslims is that they do not show up for discussions of whether a god exits.
Such notions are written off literally as mortal dangers.
EAGLE1 said:
You say that the new left is fascist but it was the neo con project to create the lightning war on Iraq.
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Ignoring or pacifying militant islam is not going to secure a desireable future, it will not liberate anyone.
 
Originally posted Monk-Eye
To remain morally consistent with your elevated muslim endorsement and extreme humanistic validation through interpersonal skills, don't you mean to separate the behavior from the individual and the individual from the group, by stating that stupid and evil acts by certain christians should be exposed?

If muslims gain a political foothold, the pundits of civil liberty will be fighting for the political rights from multiple directions.
Aside from abortion and homosexuality, the christian political varacity has been filed, with exception might be charity and evangelizing.

Negative rights are equally protected.
Positive rights are not equally endowed.

An issue with muslims is that they do not show up for discussions of whether a god exits.
Such notions are written off literally as mortal dangers.
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Muslim's deserve an equal voice in our government just like anyone else. Maybe if they had a say so, we wouldn't be getting in all this trouble these bullshit Christian's are causing.
 
Fog Bound

"Fog Bound"
Billo_Really said:
Muslim's deserve an equal voice in our government just like anyone else. Maybe if they had a say so, we wouldn't be getting in all this trouble these bullshit Christian's are causing.
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That is the most insane thing a person such as yourself could assume.
You would be doubling the opposition and accepting a more rigid agenda.
 
Re: Devil In The Details

Monk-Eye said:
"Devil In The Details"
To remain morally consistent with your elevated muslim endorsement and extreme humanistic validation through interpersonal skills, don't you mean to separate the behavior from the individual and the individual from the group, by stating that stupid and evil acts by certain christians should be exposed?

If muslims gain a political foothold, the pundits of civil liberty will be fighting for the political rights from multiple directions.
Aside from abortion and homosexuality, the christian political varacity has been filed, with exception might be charity and evangelizing.

Negative rights are equally protected.
Positive rights are not equally endowed.

An issue with muslims is that they do not show up for discussions of whether a god exits.
Such notions are written off literally as mortal dangers.
Ignoring or pacifying militant islam is not going to secure a desireable future, it will not liberate anyone.
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"No smoke without fire"

Yes there are the principles of the group and the actions of individuals. The Neo con principles are evil, therefore by their own logic each individual neo con is a potential enabler of evil.

If Neo cons gain a political foothold we'll be mired in war for decades to come and will need to keep a close eye on whats being done to our liberties and judicial principles of fair treatment, for all we know they could end up endorsing torture methods like waterboarding...oh **** wait a minute....

Give a neo con, or a christian, or a muslim, enough rope and theyll hang us all with it. For example Christians may look nice, but underneath all that holier than thow, and quoting of sermons, lies a fanatic that wouldnt blink about making the West run along christian lines.
Remember,
Monk-Eye is neo con cultural hegemony
Monky-Eye is not for the functionally literate

Those muslims dont show up for the discussions on whether God exists? Your right that is an issue. Personally Im outraged at that. How dare they hold their views to themselves and not seek to evangelise their creed of fear and suspicion like you do Monk-Eye?!! I think a class action suit against all muslims is required here.

Moreover I agree, Ignoring or pacifying militant islam, neo cons and those christian subversives is not going to secure a desireable future, it will not liberate anyone.
 
I will go so far as to say that the members of the
PNAC are American Terrorists!
 
Originally Posted by Monk-Eye
That is the most insane thing a person such as yourself could assume.
You would be doubling the opposition and accepting a more rigid agenda.
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You don't believe Muslim American's have a right to equal representation?

Be careful how you answer...
 
Billo_Really said:
You don't believe Muslim American's have a right to equal representation?

Be careful how you answer...
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Be Careful how Monk-Eye answers? I have no doubt whatsoever that Monk-Eye saw your “liberal” idiocy in slightly more time than it took for light to travel from the monitor to the eye of a real liberal.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...ve-will-there-really-peace-22.html#post595805 That was another classic Billoism, not much unlike the fact that Billo_Really once claimed an authorization for use of force was illegal, like years after it was passed, before he had ever read it; Billo_Really is waiting to get five Muslim justices on the Supreme Court to tell we the people that our obviously “Christian” law is unconstitutional.

I bet that nine Monk-Eye's on the Supreme Court would be infinitely more desirable to the liberty of all of us, than one Muslim sitting on the court.

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Just for SouthernDemocrat, this could be a reason for the crusades:

009.029
YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
USC-MSA Compendium of Muslim Texts

Obviously, effeminate Greek Christians were carrying around their walls to fight a war of aggression against Islam; see my signature line.

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Billo_Really said: “Muslim's deserve an equal voice in our government just like anyone else. Maybe if they had a say so, we wouldn't be getting in all this trouble these bullshit Christian's are causing.”

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YUSUFALI: Fain would they extinguish Allah's light with their mouths, but Allah will not allow but that His light should be perfected, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).
PICKTHAL: Fain would they put out the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah disdaineth (aught) save that He shall perfect His light, however much the disbelievers are averse.
SHAKIR: They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse.
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YUSUFALI: It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).
PICKTHAL: He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse.
SHAKIR: He it is Who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions, though the polytheists may be averse.

If this was the Democratic Party verses the Islamic Republican Party, we could shut Billo_Really’s mouth up on a variety of issues.

That is what Muslims are, they are just like Billo_Really, they are those who say Muslim’s “deserve” to have Muslims in such a majority in this country as to have an “equal voice” to shut up anyone they disagree with.

Give a “liberal” enough rope and they will hang themselves.
 
Originally posted by DivineComedy
Billo_Really said: “Muslim's deserve an equal voice in our government just like anyone else. Maybe if they had a say so, we wouldn't be getting in all this trouble these bullshit Christian's are causing.”
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Correction: Billo said, "Muslim American's do..."
 
Legal Fees

"Legal Fees"
Billo_Really said:
You don't believe Muslim American's have a right to equal representation? Be careful how you answer...
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What is there to be careful about?
Each has the same constitutional entitlements as anyone else.
For bizarre inquiry, what is your implied meaning of equal representation?

Truthfully, the direction of the question is puzzling.
Daily, people of different origins socialize and interact, at least semi-cordially, semi-respectful of disposition.
Am I not one of them?
 
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