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Sexist Double Standard

Is the double standard acceptable?

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I wish I had something profound & intellectually insightful to add - I don't.

But, after a little YouTubing, I found I like the commercials!



This next one is particularly good, I believe:

 
Bodhisattva said:
If in a commercial a man grabbed a woman and pulled her face pressing into his crotch against his will there would be cries of oppression, rape, violence, etc. the world over, you would be screaming about it and you freaking well know it too... :roll:
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You don't know me!!! Stop harassing me!
 
Bodhisattva said:
Sure. There are intellectual cowards that fail to address the point at times... I see you are not addressing the point in this thread.

Do so...
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Intellectual coward is your motis operendi. I didn't see you respond to my posts addressing the point, either.

Do so...


Moot said:
You said it was a commercial but failed to mention what product or message they were trying to sell. New Zealand's headlines are splashed with sexual harassment charges against it's Prime Minister and other government officials. Could it have anything to do with that? Or did you expect everyone to judge a commercial they've never seen simply based on your dubious interpretation of it?
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Moot said:
Why did the woman, Denise make her hair look like Dennis, the male trainer and then act like a man coming onto a woman? Is there something you're not telling us?
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Moot said:
I looked but couldn't find anything. But in my search I did see that New Zealand is having a sexual harassment scandal involving their prime minister and a few other high up officials. So the issue is probably a hot topic there right now.

I can't help but wonder what kind of message Bodi is giving his daughters by blaming women for sexual harassment: "Look girls, women do it, too so never mind when men cop a feel making your job uncomfortable.....just enjoy it girls, or it'll look like you have double standards."
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SmokeAndMirrors said:
And also that women are infantilized. The reason why women get alimony even though most of them work, and also get away with things like this, are exactly the same reason. They are deemed too stupid to be responsible for their own actions and lives.
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I just wanted to address this part. Men and women get alimony and it has nothing to do with women being "too stupid to be responsible for their own actions" and everything to do with the fact that being in a marriage where you stay home, don't work, puts you at a disadvantage if that marriage dissolves, particularly if it is due to something you had no control over. Sure, there are people who are gold diggers and take advantage of this, but it doesn't normally go to women or men who work unless they have a completely crappy job, and their spouse such an awesome one that they have a vast gap between their incomes (not a very common situation even among those who get alimony).
 
roguenuke said:
I just wanted to address this part. Men and women get alimony and it has nothing to do with women being "too stupid to be responsible for their own actions" and everything to do with the fact that being in a marriage where you stay home, don't work, puts you at a disadvantage if that marriage dissolves, particularly if it is due to something you had no control over. Sure, there are people who are gold diggers and take advantage of this, but it doesn't normally go to women or men who work unless they have a completely crappy job, and their spouse such an awesome one that they have a vast gap between their incomes (not a very common situation even among those who get alimony).
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That should be your responsbility if you want to seperate from a partnership. Your former partner doesn't have anything to do with whatever financial situation you put yourself in.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
That should be your responsbility if you want to seperate from a partnership. Your former partner doesn't have anything to do with whatever financial situation you put yourself in.
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Who said the person getting alimony is the one choosing to end the relationship? Plus there is a good deal of precedence in using the fact that a person makes all or most of the money using that against the other spouse to control them. Reality is that some people provide something(s) other than money in a relationship, getting little to no job experience putting them at a severe disadvantage if the relationship ends or becomes abusive.
 
roguenuke said:
Who said the person getting alimony is the one choosing to end the relationship? Plus there is a good deal of precedence in using the fact that a person makes all or most of the money using that against the other spouse to control them. Reality is that some people provide something(s) other than money in a relationship, getting little to no job experience putting them at a severe disadvantage if the relationship ends or becomes abusive.
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It is usually women initiating divorces, and usually women receiving alimony. So in most cases, it is.

Abusive and coercive situations are a matter of criminal law.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
It is usually women initiating divorces, and usually women receiving alimony. So in most cases, it is.

Abusive and coercive situations are a matter of criminal law.
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More and more men are receiving alimony. Because more and more women are going to work and making more than their spouse.

Alimony: Women Increasingly Paying Alimony To Their Ex Husbands

Alimony is rare to begin with.

Alimony Figures

On the highest side, what I can find is about 1-2% of people are currently receiving spousal support (not to be confused with child support). That is a very small percentage of the population. Especially since there are still some who are still entitled to lifetime support due to their arrangements being made prior to the new laws that changed most alimony to being temporary for most spouses, to get them back on their feet (as it absolutely should be).

Spousal support considerations for California

Spousal/Partner Support - divorce_or_separation_selfhelp
 
roguenuke said:
More and more men are receiving alimony. Because more and more women are going to work and making more than their spouse.

Alimony: Women Increasingly Paying Alimony To Their Ex Husbands

Alimony is rare to begin with.

Alimony Figures

On the highest side, what I can find is about 1-2% of people are currently receiving spousal support (not to be confused with child support). That is a very small percentage of the population. Especially since there are still some who are still entitled to lifetime support due to their arrangements being made prior to the new laws that changed most alimony to being temporary for most spouses, to get them back on their feet (as it absolutely should be).

Spousal support considerations for California

Spousal/Partner Support - divorce_or_separation_selfhelp
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They shouldn't either. :shrug:

That's good, I suppose.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I was watching this commercial with my daughters this morning where this new worker (woman) gets a job and is obsessed with the male trainer. His name is Dennis and she claims her name is Denise. She makes her hair the same and then sits really close claiming (touching distance) where she then proceeds to touch his torso against his will as he looks nervous and runs away while she has a creepy look and smile following him down the hall. In another commercial she is on a ladder and asks for help balancing and she pulls his face into her ass... literally.

What the ****? I think it is funny but it is clear cut sexism that it is OK, AND FUNNY, to sexually harass a man.

Imagine if the roles where reversed and a man did that to a woman in a commercial? Firings... suing... protests.

So, why is a double standard acceptable and this Poll is primarily directed to women. Do you think it is acceptable and if so... why?
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I think it is unacceptable for any gender to behave like that. Likewise I find it unacceptable to show such things on television where young viewers grow up with the impression that "everyone behaves like that".

I get harassed by customers all the time, coworkers too, male or female, it is disgusting. There is such a double standard in this country to begin with.

In my opinion one can not discuss issues with another in this country without being seen as a gender specific individual. What do I mean?

Why can someone in America not give someone from the other gender a compliment, without that other one having gross and fantasy like imaginations going on at the same time? Don't know.
Why can someone in America not give someone from the same gender a compliment without being seen as having a personal interest in that person: which is total bogus?

Why do people always describe sexual relations in America with preset descriptions that clearly illustrate what is going on, without ever being clear that such things are not the same thing as caring about another person, never will be.

Why do people in America shy away from factual discussions about relations because they always see themselves within that description or someone other that is not in fact a part of that factual description?

Let me clarify: There is a reason that our brain is in our head and that those organs and parts are far away from our sexual organs. Gee, maybe that is not clear enough.

I am disgusted by sexual depictions and I am disgusted by people who claim it is funny to describe sexual relations with the proper descriptions.

When someone cares about that then they do not care about the person that they have those detailed sexual relations with.

What I find most disgusting in this country is the fact that people constantly try to use sex as a distraction from the real thing. My mouth stays where it is, thank you very much, not sure it was intended to do the many things that some disturbed mind would think about. And I sure do understand why certain organs are located exactly where they are, because there really is a plan in there how we are constructed.

I know that this post is a waste of my effort, but yet I try and try.
 
opendebate said:
First of all it's difficult for me to imagine a man that is opposed to the sexual advances of a woman but if he is it's really more a power issue to me. I don't consider the advances of a man to be harassment (or threatening) unless he can physically overpower me (and I think he might try for some reason) or is in a position of authority (say a boss) and because of that I am unable (without high cost to myself) make him stop. So uninvited advances IMO do not constitute harassment.
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In the policing world.....

One of several nightmare scenarios that can happen is to have a woman making sexual advances on you and you have to rebuke their actions without having witnesses.

In many situations.... physical power isn't the only power one has to take into consideration. The power of false allegations because of rejection is also quite strong.
 
Bodhisattva said:
It is like domestic violence. Women commit something lie 40% of the domestic abuse but all we hear about is how abusive men are. I am pointing out a societal problem.
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In some areas.... women are even higher than 40%.

I worked in a wealthy part of the city as a cop and I would have to say I more often had to arrest women than men for Domestic Violence assaults. These men were executives that knew what kind of career ruination could occur if they were to strike a women, plus with the added effect of the same theory that men are always going to be suspect, they often weren't the ones who called either.

Had one dude have his arm sliced open from elbow to wrist by a broken wine class.... he didn't call.... didn't want her arrested.... and didn't enter the court room when the case came to trial/refused to testify.


Some stereotypes are hard to break though........and OVERALL women are more often abused than men in REPORTED crimes. Most men don't report it.
 
Many women ard emotionally violent and sexually aggressive. These people should be held responsible for their actions.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
That is simply not true. I know many men who have felt sexually used, or had unwanted advances -- and no, not just from "unattractive" women. They often have an even harder time saying no than women do -- despite the general lack of physical risk, they do experience a very real social one.
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Unicron said:
Many women ard emotionally violent and sexually aggressive. These people should be held responsible for their actions.
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Good post. Almost 40% of domestic abuse is caused by women... my ex-wife was like that too.
 
Caine said:
In some areas.... women are even higher than 40%.

I worked in a wealthy part of the city as a cop and I would have to say I more often had to arrest women than men for Domestic Violence assaults. These men were executives that knew what kind of career ruination could occur if they were to strike a women, plus with the added effect of the same theory that men are always going to be suspect, they often weren't the ones who called either.

Had one dude have his arm sliced open from elbow to wrist by a broken wine class.... he didn't call.... didn't want her arrested.... and didn't enter the court room when the case came to trial/refused to testify.
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Like.

Agreed... in my case my-ex attacked me with her Judo and I called the cops as she was doing it because it was in front of my kids and she wouldn't stop. They showed up and I did not want her arrested and they said they probably wouldn't anyway but if it had been reversed I would be in jail.

Some stereotypes are hard to break though........and OVERALL women are more often abused than men in REPORTED crimes. Most men don't report it
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Great point. The stats are not accurate and the percentage could be well higher if reporting was done all the time.
 
Moot said:
Why did the woman, Denise make her hair look like Dennis, the male trainer and then act like a man coming onto a woman? Is there something you're not telling us?
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I have no idea what you are implying here...
 
Zinthaniel said:
It's harassment either way, technically.
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This is all that needs to be stated... the below just justifies harassment.

However, it's dishonest to ignore the historical and consistent precedence in different reactions to said situation between genders.

Women by and large do not enjoy men touching and groping them.

Men typically do not mind women touching them or groping them - unless the women is unattractive.

That's a reality in gender differences and it immortalized in cultures across the globe so that women will typically not think twice about putting her breast in man's face or her ass or cooch for ****s and giggles and rarely receive backlash because, by and large, that man will enjoy the experience.

I would go as far as saying that if there was ever any real push to stop women, especially beautiful women, from groping men most heterosexual men would fight against it.
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Moot said:
Intellectual coward is your motis operendi. I didn't see you respond to my posts addressing the point, either.

Do so...
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:lol:

1 - You said it was a commercial but failed to mention what product or message they were trying to sell. New Zealand's headlines are splashed with sexual harassment charges against it's Prime Minister and other government officials. Could it have anything to do with that? Or did you expect everyone to judge a commercial they've never seen simply based on your dubious interpretation of it?
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2 - Why did the woman, Denise make her hair look like Dennis, the male trainer and then act like a man coming onto a woman? Is there something you're not telling us?
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3 - I looked but couldn't find anything. But in my search I did see that New Zealand is having a sexual harassment scandal involving their prime minister and a few other high up officials. So the issue is probably a hot topic there right now.
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1 - I did. Post #24

2 - Missed it but just addressed it...

3 - Not even addressed to me... :lol: Chomsky. Post #43
3 - The issue is not a hot topic here in the slightest, in fact.
 
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