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Sexist Double Standard

Is the double standard acceptable?


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Bodi

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I was watching this commercial with my daughters this morning where this new worker (woman) gets a job and is obsessed with the male trainer. His name is Dennis and she claims her name is Denise. She makes her hair the same and then sits really close claiming (touching distance) where she then proceeds to touch his torso against his will as he looks nervous and runs away while she has a creepy look and smile following him down the hall. In another commercial she is on a ladder and asks for help balancing and she pulls his face into her ass... literally.

What the ****? I think it is funny but it is clear cut sexism that it is OK, AND FUNNY, to sexually harass a man.

Imagine if the roles where reversed and a man did that to a woman in a commercial? Firings... suing... protests.

So, why is a double standard acceptable and this Poll is primarily directed to women. Do you think it is acceptable and if so... why?
 
Women definitely need to stop harassing men, in every way imaginable. Buncha bitches. :lol: I love them anyhow. Now get me a beer!
 
I was watching this commercial with my daughters this morning where this new worker (woman) gets a job and is obsessed with the male trainer. His name is Dennis and she claims her name is Denise. She makes her hair the same and then sits really close claiming (touching distance) where she then proceeds to touch his torso against his will as he looks nervous and runs away while she has a creepy look and smile following him down the hall. In another commercial she is on a ladder and asks for help balancing and she pulls his face into her ass... literally.

What the ****? I think it is funny but it is clear cut sexism that it is OK, AND FUNNY, to sexually harass a man.

Imagine if the roles where reversed and a man did that to a woman in a commercial? Firings... suing... protests.

So, why is a double standard acceptable and this Poll is primarily directed to women. Do you think it is acceptable and if so... why?

Of course it's not ok. Bullying is bullying.
 
I was watching this commercial with my daughters this morning where this new worker (woman) gets a job and is obsessed with the male trainer. His name is Dennis and she claims her name is Denise. She makes her hair the same and then sits really close claiming (touching distance) where she then proceeds to touch his torso against his will as he looks nervous and runs away while she has a creepy look and smile following him down the hall. In another commercial she is on a ladder and asks for help balancing and she pulls his face into her ass... literally.

What the ****? I think it is funny but it is clear cut sexism that it is OK, AND FUNNY, to sexually harass a man.

Imagine if the roles where reversed and a man did that to a woman in a commercial? Firings... suing... protests.

So, why is a double standard acceptable and this Poll is primarily directed to women. Do you think it is acceptable and if so... why?

Ew... The "pulls his face into her ass" bit made me pull a bit of a face.

It's acceptable largely because men aren't allowed to say they feel grossed out by such behavior, and women are infantilized to the point where they can do pretty much whatever they want sexually without getting the same kind of blow-back men do.

It's a weird combination of things. It is not one sex or the other being insulted. It's both. Men are insulted by being called "sissies" or "faggots" about bringing up unwanted female attention or touch, and this comes from virtually avenues of society. Men's feelings are deligitimized, because men are reduced to their conquests. And also that women are infantilized. The reason why women get alimony even though most of them work, and also get away with things like this, are exactly the same reason. They are deemed too stupid to be responsible for their own actions and lives.
 
I was watching this commercial with my daughters this morning where this new worker (woman) gets a job and is obsessed with the male trainer. His name is Dennis and she claims her name is Denise. She makes her hair the same and then sits really close claiming (touching distance) where she then proceeds to touch his torso against his will as he looks nervous and runs away while she has a creepy look and smile following him down the hall. In another commercial she is on a ladder and asks for help balancing and she pulls his face into her ass... literally.

What the ****? I think it is funny but it is clear cut sexism that it is OK, AND FUNNY, to sexually harass a man.

Imagine if the roles where reversed and a man did that to a woman in a commercial? Firings... suing... protests.

So, why is a double standard acceptable and this Poll is primarily directed to women. Do you think it is acceptable and if so... why?

First of all it's difficult for me to imagine a man that is opposed to the sexual advances of a woman but if he is it's really more a power issue to me. I don't consider the advances of a man to be harassment (or threatening) unless he can physically overpower me (and I think he might try for some reason) or is in a position of authority (say a boss) and because of that I am unable (without high cost to myself) make him stop. So uninvited advances IMO do not constitute harassment.
 
Imagine if the roles where reversed and a man did that to a woman in a commercial? Firings... suing... protests.
There are plenty of commercials, television shows and movies where the roles are reversed and there are no firings, lawsuits or protests. What are you talking about? Hell, even in "real life", women who are sexually harassed by men are often blamed for it by critics who say they dress "too provocatively". You're seeing a double standard where there isn't one.
Your entire post is based on a false premise.
 
Ew... The "pulls his face into her ass" bit made me pull a bit of a face.

It's acceptable largely because men aren't allowed to say they feel grossed out by such behavior, and women are infantilized to the point where they can do pretty much whatever they want sexually without getting the same kind of blow-back men do.

It's a weird combination of things. It is not one sex or the other being insulted. It's both. Men are insulted by being called "sissies" or "faggots" about bringing up unwanted female attention or touch, and this comes from virtually avenues of society. Men's feelings are deligitimized, because men are reduced to their conquests. And also that women are infantilized. The reason why women get alimony even though most of them work, and also get away with things like this, are exactly the same reason. They are deemed too stupid to be responsible for their own actions and lives.

I had this female co-worker want to give me a hug. She was standing in front of the door as I was trying to leave with her arms open, blocking me. I said that I don't do hugs. She said she wanted one. I said I don't like touching people and she says, "but touching leads to sex". I told her to get out of my way and a couple of men heard our interaction. It was brought up to management who shrugged and said that she is nuts. I can only imagine I would be looking for a new job if the roles had been reversed.
 
There are plenty of commercials, television shows and movies where the roles are reversed and there are no firings, lawsuits or protests. What are you talking about? Hell, even in "real life", women who are sexually harassed by men are often blamed for it by critics who say they dress "too provocatively". You're seeing a double standard where there isn't one.
Your entire post is based on a false premise.

What are some of the commercials where men are sexually inappropriate to women in a creepy manner touching them and following them as they try to get away... I will wait all year for your example.
 
There are innate differences in the sexes. Thus different standards. I'm not saying it's right, but it is what it is.
 
I was watching this commercial with my daughters this morning where this new worker (woman) gets a job and is obsessed with the male trainer. His name is Dennis and she claims her name is Denise. She makes her hair the same and then sits really close claiming (touching distance) where she then proceeds to touch his torso against his will as he looks nervous and runs away while she has a creepy look and smile following him down the hall. In another commercial she is on a ladder and asks for help balancing and she pulls his face into her ass... literally.

What the ****? I think it is funny but it is clear cut sexism that it is OK, AND FUNNY, to sexually harass a man.

Imagine if the roles where reversed and a man did that to a woman in a commercial? Firings... suing... protests.

So, why is a double standard acceptable and this Poll is primarily directed to women. Do you think it is acceptable and if so... why?

I think your poll is a double standard. Why aren't you letting the men equal polling? :)
 
I think your poll is a double standard. Why aren't you letting the men equal polling? :)

Men can vote...

MEN! VOTE!

I am interested in female opinions more than men's though. ;)
 
There are innate differences in the sexes. Thus different standards. I'm not saying it's right, but it is what it is.

It is like domestic violence. Women commit something lie 40% of the domestic abuse but all we hear about is how abusive men are. I am pointing out a societal problem.
 
Men can vote...

MEN! VOTE!

I am interested in female opinions more than men's though. ;)

I said equal voting though ;)






just kidding though. That last part in your OP stood out and made me laugh.
 
Was this an USA commercial or somewhere else? Just curious.
 
Was this an USA commercial or somewhere else? Just curious.

Good question. New Zealand. But I see these in the States too.
 
What are some of the commercials where men are sexually inappropriate to women in a creepy manner touching them and following them as they try to get away... I will wait all year for your example.
Do you really think that I'm going to spend my time looking for a commercial? Really? If you don't believe me, then don't believe me, but I'm not spending my Sunday night on this ****.
 
Good question. New Zealand. But I see these in the States too.

I thought so. I remember years ago seeing German commercials and noticed how much different ours were compared to overseas, print and TV.
 
Do you really think that I'm going to spend my time looking for a commercial? Really? If you don't believe me, then don't believe me, but I'm not spending my Sunday night on this ****.

40 years of watching TV unfortunately and I don't remember ever seeing anything comparable.
 
First of all it's difficult for me to imagine a man that is opposed to the sexual advances of a woman but if he is it's really more a power issue to me. I don't consider the advances of a man to be harassment (or threatening) unless he can physically overpower me (and I think he might try for some reason) or is in a position of authority (say a boss) and because of that I am unable (without high cost to myself) make him stop. So uninvited advances IMO do not constitute harassment.

How is it less of a harassment? If you're harassed by another woman of a similar position, is it just not harassment because maybe you could take her in a bar fight? That doesn't make sense. Harassment has to do with the anti-social nature of the behavior, not with whether you could beat them in a duel.

It happens a lot more than I think people realize. I actually struggle to think of any men I know well who don't have an experience that upset them.

The outcome of those situations is variable. As I said in my previous post, men are reduced to their conquests and at risk of social stigma if they refuse. But I have seen men express -- both in my personal life and online -- feeling as though they're being used sexually quite often.

And given that the early reports on the Millennials shows that men are more likely to want a relationship than women, and that women are driving the hook-up market, we shouldn't actually be surprised by that.

It's hard for you to imagine because we're taught to believe that men simply don't have any feelings when it comes to touch and sex. And that is so very deeply untrue.
 
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I was watching this commercial with my daughters this morning where this new worker (woman) gets a job and is obsessed with the male trainer. His name is Dennis and she claims her name is Denise. She makes her hair the same and then sits really close claiming (touching distance) where she then proceeds to touch his torso against his will as he looks nervous and runs away while she has a creepy look and smile following him down the hall. In another commercial she is on a ladder and asks for help balancing and she pulls his face into her ass... literally.

What the ****? I think it is funny but it is clear cut sexism that it is OK, AND FUNNY, to sexually harass a man.

Imagine if the roles where reversed and a man did that to a woman in a commercial? Firings... suing... protests.

So, why is a double standard acceptable and this Poll is primarily directed to women. Do you think it is acceptable and if so... why?

You said it was a commercial but failed to mention what product or message they were trying to sell. New Zealand's headlines are splashed with sexual harassment charges against it's Prime Minister and other government officials. Could it have anything to do with that? Or did you expect everyone to judge a commercial they've never seen simply based on your dubious interpretation of it?
 
40 years of watching TV unfortunately and I don't remember ever seeing anything comparable.
All you have to do is watch the Super Bowl to see how often women are degraded or insulted in commercials.
 
"but touching leads to sex".

Man, if that were true, I would have had a LOT more sex!! ;)

That being said, yes, sexual harassment of men is a thing. Believe it or not, feminists have actually been some of the most vocal advocates of this particular issue. But let's be clear--women are at a far, far greater risk of being targeted for sexual harassment and violence.

Men can vote...

MEN! VOTE!

I am interested in female opinions more than men's though. ;)

This seems to be a rather male-dominated board, FWIW.
 
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How is it less of a harassment? If you're harassed by another woman of a similar position, is it just not harassment because maybe you could take her in a bar fight? That doesn't make sense. Harassment has to do with the anti-social nature of the behavior, not with whether you could beat them in a duel.

It happens a lot more than I think people realize. I actually struggle to think of any men I know well who don't have an experience that upset them.

The outcome of those situations is variable. As I said in my previous post, men are reduced to their conquests and at risk of social stigma if they refuse. But I have seen men express -- both in my personal life and online -- feeling as though they're being used sexually quite often.

And given that the early reports on the Millennials shows that men are more likely to want a relationship than women, and that women are driving the hook-up market, we shouldn't actually be surprised by that.

It's hard for you to imagine because we're taught to believe that men simply don't have any feelings when it comes to touch and sex. And that is so very deeply untrue.

First of all please try not to pigeon hole me into some narrow category because you are so eager to feed your outrage over the injustices men have been dealt. I was speaking about my own perspective. I have had men make advances at me all my life that were uninvited but I don't feel like they were harassing me I feel like they were trying to get laid. Which is what men do and luckily, now, some women can be just as inappropriate if they want to. There is nothing innately abusive about making an aggressive advance. It tacky and sloppy and doesn't usually work and the aggressor ends up looking like a dolt but in and of itself I don't thing of the advance as harassment. It's harrasment when I make it clear that I am not interested and they try in some way to force the issue.

Others may feel differently. That's fine.
 
1. You said it was a commercial but failed to mention what product or message they were trying to sell. 2. New Zealand's headlines are splashed with sexual harassment charges against it's Prime Minister and other government officials. Could it have anything to do with that? 3. Or did you expect everyone to judge a commercial they've never seen simply based on your dubious interpretation of it?

1. Home delivery movies type of thing.
2. Nope. Irrelevant.
3. What could be dubious about what I described?
 
First of all please try not to pigeon hole me into some narrow category because you are so eager to feed your outrage over the injustices men have been dealt. I was speaking about my own perspective. I have had men make advances at me all my life that were uninvited but I don't feel like they were harassing me I feel like they were trying to get laid. Which is what men do and luckily, now, some women can be just as inappropriate if they want to. There is nothing innately abusive about making an aggressive advance. It tacky and sloppy and doesn't usually work and the aggressor ends up looking like a dolt but in and of itself I don't thing of the advance as harassment. It's harrasment when I make it clear that I am not interested and they try in some way to force the issue.

Others may feel differently. That's fine.

Where the hell did that come from...? :confused:
 
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