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Would we all be better off if we had never had slaves?

Would we as a country be better of if there had been no slavery here?

  • Yes

    Votes: 16 88.9%
  • No

    Votes: 2 11.1%

  • Total voters
    18
  • Poll closed .
Its actually true. Slaves were major investments and quite expensive to own.

If you see how slaves around the world have been treated historically, and keep in mind that slaves could not be imported into the country (eventually) its correct.

It simply boggles the mind that black people today don't feel at home in the Republican party.
 
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It simply boggles the mind that black people today don't feel at home in the Republican party.

Ive read about the subject, not just slavery in the US but elsewhere. You should try it some time.

And nowhere in the FACTS I stated was politics mentioned.

However since you mention it-the GOP was the anti-slavery party that freed the slaves.
 
Ive read about the subject, not just slavery in the US but elsewhere. You should try it some time.

And nowhere in the FACTS I stated was politics mentioned.

However since you mention it-the GOP was the anti-slavery party that freed the slaves.

That's a good point.* You could also tell the 83% of black people who didn't vote for Romney that the South was very good to their slaves. I know that would win me over.








*Just kidding, that was a terrible point.
 
Well of course we'd be better off. I'm almost certain that the people arguing that if slavery hadn't happened then we wouldn't have the black people we have today are trolling me. Not people like me. I mean me....personally.

Look at it this way: let's say an asteroid hits the earth today, destroying 95% of life on the planet and all of civilization. However, there are a few human survivors and they go on to procreate. Would humans have been better off if the asteroid had never hit the earth? Hmmm, let me think about that for a secon--YES!!

Not the same. Without slavery and the slave trade...America would not be what it is now. We would not be as strong had we not experienced that awfulness.
 
That's a good point.* You could also tell the 83% of black people who didn't vote for Romney that the South was very good to their slaves. I know that would win me over.







*Just kidding, that was a terrible point.


Actually, shameless lefties like this hair-plugged freak seem intent on terrifying blacks-gotta keep them on the vote plantation.

You must be so proud.
 
Really? Are you actually defending slavery here? Because my OP called slavery immoral, and "dictating morality" in this case would be banning it.

That's a long stretch.
 
Wow. I was the only person who voted no. Me against the world.

Would we as a country be better off if we had never had slaves? Unfortunately the answer is no. Without slavery and the labor that came with it, it is very unlikely that the United States would have ever been formed. The colonies would not have become strong enough to fight England, and there wouldn't have been much for England to tax if not for slavery, which would have meant no declaration of independence. The early colonies were failing, and early colonists were lazy. They would have died if not for slaves doing everything for them and giving them a means to produce product enough to turn a profit and generate an economy for themselves. Once it was realized how little gold was left to plunder, Europeans would have left or died off and the Native Americans would have repopulated the continent over time. That is most likely anyhow. Small chance our country might have survived and been formed without slavery, but it is a small chance.
That's an interesting viewpoint, and certainly worthy of consideration.
 
I'm not entirely sure what the point of this thread is, but I heard similar arguments for slavery pretty recently -- that there's be less black people here if not for slavery, so it's a good thing that it happened. It was made by the leader of the Council of Conservative Citizens or CCC (not to be confused with the KKK).

Sounds like what my granddaddy used to always say. Slavery was the best thing to ever happen to blacks. Although he had no problem with the black people who worked hard and got an education to make something of themselves. I don't even think he hated Colin Powell, who happens to be black, but very educated and high ranking officer in military. Never heard him say a bad thing about Condi Rice either for that matter.
 
Sounds like what my granddaddy used to always say. Slavery was the best thing to ever happen to blacks.

OH GOD. No offense, but your grandfather was a Grade A racist.
 
Sounds like what my granddaddy used to always say. Slavery was the best thing to ever happen to blacks. Although he had no problem with the black people who worked hard and got an education to make something of themselves. I don't even think he hated Colin Powell, who happens to be black, but very educated and high ranking officer in military. Never heard him say a bad thing about Condi Rice either for that matter.

In your grandfathers time...how easy was it for black people to get a quality education, fair chances at employment with similar wages, etc?

Good for the ones that had decent access....but I assure you, across this country...particularly in the South.....achieving your grandfather's expectation could be a challenge to next to impossible.
 
In your grandfathers time...how easy was it for black people to get a quality education, fair chances at employment with similar wages, etc?

Good for the ones that had decent access....but I assure you, across this country...particularly in the South.....achieving your grandfather's expectation could be a challenge to next to impossible.

I know it wasn't easy. The elite schools in Richmond were white only. In fact granddaddy's alma mater Benedictine College (now Benedictine High School) in Richmond eventually became integrated. There are pictures on their website showing some black students. Benedictine College Preparatory -> Home Unfortunately the main problem seems to be that in the lower income black family, education is just not a priority, overall that is. I know there are exceptions, but it seems to be the general rule. I don't know how to fix it either unfortunately
 
I know it wasn't easy. The elite schools in Richmond were white only. In fact granddaddy's alma mater Benedictine College (now Benedictine High School) in Richmond eventually became integrated. There are pictures on their website showing some black students. Benedictine College Preparatory -> Home Unfortunately the main problem seems to be that in the lower income black family, education is just not a priority, overall that is. I know there are exceptions, but it seems to be the general rule. I don't know how to fix it either unfortunately

Maybe if blacks hadn't inherited a legacy of slavery, segregation, the inability to inherit property, weren't subjects of systematic discrimination, etc., for most of American history, they'd be on an even playing field with whites. I'm glad your Confederate-flag flying grandfather applauded the 'exceptions', though.
 
OH GOD. No offense, but your grandfather was a Grade A racist.

It was the times he grew up in. Granddaddy was born in 1911 and the South was very different from the way it is now back then. He came around in his later years though I think. Like I said I never heard him say a bad thing about black leaders like Colin Powell or Condi Rice.

Just one example was there is a cafeteria in Richmond near my grandparents' apartment they lived in before they moved to Florida with my uncle. They remained there until my grandmother passed, then granddaddy moved in with us until he passed 10 years ago this December. I miss them both so much I can't wait to see them again someday. Anyway there was this black man who worked there, very friendly and always took time to say hello to customers. He and granddaddy got along well, granddaddy was always friendly to this man, even though he was black, it didn't matter. Anyway the last time I saw him (in 2002) he told me he could remember when I was just a little girl and remarked that I was all grown up now. It had been so long since we had seen him I was actually surprised he remembered me at first.
 
Maybe if blacks hadn't inherited a legacy of slavery, segregation, the inability to inherit property, weren't subjects of systematic discrimination, etc., for most of American history, they'd be on an even playing field with whites. I'm glad your Confederate-flag flying grandfather applauded the 'exceptions', though.

Like I said I never heard him say a bad thing about black people who worked hard and made something of themselves. When GWB was President I never heard him say a bad thing about Condi Rice, or Colin Powell for that matter. I think he was glad they did work hard for their success and achieved it.
 
Like I said I never heard him say a bad thing about black people who worked hard and made something of themselves.

That's not how 'not being racist' works. You respect all people by default, not those who meet your ideological expectations. You are not racially tolerant because you respect the exceptions who are not thugs.
 
That's not how 'not being racist' works. You respect all people by default, not those who meet your ideological expectations. You are not racially tolerant because you respect the exceptions who are not thugs.

Yet it seems like blacks are more racist than whites if you look around. Not being racist at all here just making an observation. They constantly blame white people for holding them down, yet they don't look up to the ones who have gotten an education and made something of themselves. There are a lot of positive black role models out there that if we could get black kids to look up to they might eventually gain true equality.
 
Yet it seems like blacks are more racist than whites if you look around.

How so?

They constantly blame white people for holding them down, yet they don't look up to the ones who have gotten an education and made something of themselves. There are a lot of positive black role models out there that if we could get black kids to look up to they might eventually gain true equality.

Nothing exists in a vacuum, so what are you saying? That blacks are genetically prone to blame others for their problems, that Democrats are to blame, rap music, black culture -- what?

Let me just say that you are a terrible spokesman for the Confederate flag. Or maybe the perfect spokesman, given your views and upbringing.
 
How so?



Nothing exists in a vacuum, so what are you saying? That blacks are genetically prone to blame others for their problems, that Democrats are to blame, rap music, black culture -- what?

Let me just say that you are a terrible spokesman for the Confederate flag. Or maybe the perfect spokesman, given your views and upbringing.

Look around once in a while.
 
I know it wasn't easy. The elite schools in Richmond were white only. In fact granddaddy's alma mater Benedictine College (now Benedictine High School) in Richmond eventually became integrated. There are pictures on their website showing some black students. Benedictine College Preparatory -> Home Unfortunately the main problem seems to be that in the lower income black family, education is just not a priority, overall that is. I know there are exceptions, but it seems to be the general rule. I don't know how to fix it either unfortunately
"Wasn't easy????

That has to be the understatement of the year.:lamo
 
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