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Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?


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They are treated that way for the same reason the conspiracy theorists are treated that way and the other crazies, etc. It's because these people are making claims that they are completely and totally unable to support or defend or provide evidence for and they SHOULD BE TREATED THAT WAY! God is a fairy tale for adults who ought to know better. It's just pathetic that so many people don't. That you find critical thinking and rational evaluation somehow discriminatory is very telling.

To my point above. Here you are being an asshat and intolerant because people believe differently than you do. And just a couple posts ago you were calling christians douchebags for doing it. Be sure to avoid mirrors.
 
I don't think anyone detests Christians who hold Christian beliefs, I think people detest Christians who act like dicks. Those pizza parlor owners acted like dicks. It wouldn't have mattered what their justification for their stupidity might have been, the reaction would have been largely the same.

Do you pay any attention to your own actions? You detest Christians who act like dicks. How about athiest who act like dicks? Or are they somehow exempt?
 
Christians aren't the only ones. There are plenty of Christians who are. But have you talked to many athiests and disagreed with them? They are doing the same crap and openly mocking people who believe differently. You can find countless posts right here on this website with people doing it. Asshats who believe they are right and anyone who believes differently applies universally. You may not notice that some athiests who do the exact same crap as some christians. Or you may be one of the countless people who do notice and laugh at it and then jump online and whine when others do it with your beliefs.

If "mocking" constitutes "discrimination" then everybody is guilty of discrimination.

Which, of course, is precisely the point: to expand the definition of discrimination so broadly that even the discussion is worthless.
 
If "mocking" constitutes "discrimination" then everybody is guilty of discrimination.

Which, of course, is precisely the point: to expand the definition of discrimination so broadly that even the discussion is worthless.

Can you bold or highlight where I said mocking constituted discrimination? I was replying to his comments in his post. I really dont see the point in you quoting me and acting like I said something that I didnt. If you want to discuss what I actually posted, please try again. If you don't, then don't quote me and make random statements.
 
Do you pay any attention to your own actions? You detest Christians who act like dicks. How about athiest who act like dicks? Or are they somehow exempt?

It's more about the hypocrisy inherent in being a Christian dick... You don't need a juxtaposition or comparison to other belief systems, it's self contradictory all on its own..
 
People mock others' beliefs? Right here on this forum? How can that be?

Must be a bunch of silly liberals or something.
 
It's more about the hypocrisy inherent in being a Christian dick... You don't need a juxtaposition or comparison to other belief systems, it's self contradictory all on its own..

Why is hypocrisy when Christians do it but not others? We setting 2 different standards for some reason?

For example:

Christian mocks Athiest for having different beliefs = them being a dick (and i agree)
Athiest mocks Christan for having different beliefs = Ok, funny, acceptable to some of you.

Why is that?

The only thing I can think of is you think it is wrong for people to be intolerant and mock your beliefs, but it is ok for you to do it to others because you are oh so super special.

(I dont mean you personally since I haven't seen you doing it, I mean that last statement more for those who actively do it on here and there are plenty).
 
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Can you bold or highlight where I said mocking constituted discrimination? I was replying to his comments in his post. I really dont see the point in you quoting me and acting like I said something that I didnt. If you want to discuss what I actually posted, please try again. If you don't, then don't quote me and make random statements.

You're right, I got the signals crossed. My bad.
 
Yet it consistently happens, usually with the blessing of more liberal courts. Again check the ACLJ list of cases. Discrimination exists despite the protected status, just as blacks undergo discrimination despite their protected status. Just the other day Father Jonathan Morris was spit on during a gay rights celebration for merely being present wearing the daily attire of a Catholic priest. If this was a black man spit on at a confederate flag ralley, no one would see it as anything other than discrimination.

The ACLJ is a rightwing Christian "social activism" organisation, fighting the good fight, several lawsuits at a time. Of course they go out and complain about discrimination, it's what they do. And they lose a lot too, because loss of undeserved privilege isn't discrimination, it's being forced to live as the growing non-Christian minority do.
 
Except nobody is trying to drown them out, in fact, we're often begging them to actually support any of their views and produce evidence for any of their claims. They're just entirely incapable of doing so. Asking that they defend their assertions isn't discrimination, it's a fundamental cornerstone of debate! It's really pathetic that you, a moderator, are totally unaware of that on a debate forum.

You cannot disprove the existence of God any more than anyone can prove it. It is a belief. Asking someone to prove something that is by definition un-provable is pathetic. You really seem to have this complex about you that whatever you believe and cannot prove is right and fact, and everyone who believes differently is stupid and should be mocked. Not much more pathetic of an argument than the one you put forth.

And before you cry about Christians again, yes it is just as pathetic when they mock your beliefs too. But that doesn't make you any less pathetic.
 
And if discrimination can be proven to have occurred then fines can be levied against those doing the discrimination. Why don't you point to an example, though?

Spitting on someone already has its own legal status: assault or simple battery. But it's not discrimination.

No it is not discrimination. I agree with that. Under the right circumstances it would be considered a hate crime I'm sure, but not discrimination. People often confuse discrimination with many other things.
 
Christians aren't the only ones. There are plenty of Christians who are. But have you talked to many athiests and disagreed with them? They are doing the same crap and openly mocking people who believe differently. You can find countless posts right here on this website with people doing it. Asshats who believe they are right and anyone who believes differently applies universally. You may not notice that some athiests who do the exact same crap as some christians. Or you may be one of the countless people who do notice and laugh at it and then jump online and whine when others do it with your beliefs.

Yup, but they aren't pretending they get special privileges because they're atheists, are they? Christians are. There are asshats all over but only one side is whining about being discriminated against over it.
 
To my point above. Here you are being an asshat and intolerant because people believe differently than you do. And just a couple posts ago you were calling christians douchebags for doing it. Be sure to avoid mirrors.

Tolerance doesn't mean you give up judgement of anything that goes on. The only things that anyone ought to be tolerant of are things that are actually tolerable. I think some people miss that point. It's not anything goes.
 
Do you pay any attention to your own actions? You detest Christians who act like dicks. How about athiest who act like dicks? Or are they somehow exempt?

Nope, I call them out on it too. I call everyone out on it. It's just that the atheists don't whine that I'm being unfair because I'm discriminating against them.
 
You cannot disprove the existence of God any more than anyone can prove it. It is a belief. Asking someone to prove something that is by definition un-provable is pathetic. You really seem to have this complex about you that whatever you believe and cannot prove is right and fact, and everyone who believes differently is stupid and should be mocked. Not much more pathetic of an argument than the one you put forth.

And before you cry about Christians again, yes it is just as pathetic when they mock your beliefs too. But that doesn't make you any less pathetic.

I don't have to, it rests 100% on the shoulders of the believers to prove that their beliefs are true. The idea that just because it's a belief, it deserves respect is utterly absurd. Hey, it's just a belief that blacks are inferior to whites, we shouldn't criticize it! After all, you can't prove it wrong! :roll:
 
Yup, but they aren't pretending they get special privileges because they're atheists, are they? Christians are. There are asshats all over but only one side is whining about being discriminated against over it.

Its not one side. Its both. You don't hear the crap athiests spew because you don't want to hear it.
 
You cannot disprove the existence of God any more than anyone can prove it. It is a belief. Asking someone to prove something that is by definition un-provable is pathetic.
You are correct in that the concept of God by definition cannot be demonstrated. That means, without qualification, that it is fiction, or as related to reality, false. You are the first Christian I have seen on these forums that has so succinctly agreed to that. No, actually I have also seen very few atheists or agnostics able to understand that so clearly too. Regarding belief though, God is not a belief, it's a concept that some may believe in or not. You agree it's not real by definition, but hold that belief IN SPITE of that fact. This is very the definition of Faith, and you have faith. Belief without or in spite of evidence (generally, in this case evidence is the acceptance that it's by definition not real) = faith.

To Christianity though, doesn't it teach that non-believers are sinners and will burn for eternity in hell? That's by definition, teaching discrimination as a core belief. Discrimination in itself is not bad though, it's natural. But discriminating against those not of your religious belief, when it goes beyond just a private belief, and affects others, especially in matters of law, politics, education, healthcare, etc., is wrong. Its OK to be wrong sometimes, but let's not claim that those who oppose Christianity because Christianity is in bad ways, discriminatory, are then labeled as "discriminatory" and it's a moot point. It's not a moot point. Remember that Christian beliefs have infiltrated laws, and those laws affect non-Christians, often in very big life changing ways. There is cause for concern and opposition, let's not act like it's all just private belief in private churches (who are somehow tax exempt to boot).

Also, someone who kills someone is a killer. But if you were legitimately defending yourself against a home invader at night, I can assure you being that sort of "killer" is quite different than being who breaks in and kills home owners to steal their things. Both look in the mirror and have killed, yet you and I both know they are different, and one my be justified, and one is not. Just because someone discriminates against Christianity, doesn't mean they are hypocritical or "two wrongs don't make a right". Go one level deeper as to WHY the behavior was engaged in, and there you may find good vs bad.
 
Its not one side. Its both. You don't hear the crap athiests spew because you don't want to hear it.

Then point out where atheists are claiming to be discriminated against because they deserve special rights. It shouldn't be too hard for you, should it?
 
Call who out? You, CEPHUS, you specifically, do it.

You haven't been reading the Philosophy forum then, I've been doing it for more than 8 years.
 
I don't have to, it rests 100% on the shoulders of the believers to prove that their beliefs are true. The idea that just because it's a belief, it deserves respect is utterly absurd.

Then it would fall on you to prove your belief is true. You can talk all day about what you have to do or don't have to do. I don't have to prove my beliefs. Neither do you. Neither does anyone. They are beliefs. The fact that two people believe 2 different things doesn't make one except from proving or put burden on the other.

However, if you are going to call someone else's beliefs idiotic and all the hate you spew about Christians, you are making a definitive statement and then I would ask you to defend your position. You call people idiots and mock their beliefs and I ask you why they are idiots and why you attack them for believing differently than you and all you have is "i don't have to". We are right back to pathetic. Learn a little about tolerance. You cannot prove yoru beliefs any more than I can prove my. Which by your own logic, if you cannot prove your beliefs, then you are calling yourself an idiot.
 
Why is hypocrisy when Christians do it but not others? We setting 2 different standards for some reason?

For example:

Christian mocks Athiest for having different beliefs = them being a dick (and i agree)
Athiest mocks Christan for having different beliefs = Ok, funny, acceptable to some of you.

Why is that?
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The only thing I can think of is you think it is wrong for people to be intolerant and mock your beliefs, but it is ok for you to do it to others because you are oh so super special.

(I dont mean you personally since I haven't seen you doing it, I mean that last statement more for those who actively do it on here and there are plenty).

You're missing it. It's not about subjective morality. It's any being consistent with your own beliefs. Atheists are not violating any self professed beliefs of tolerance, acceptance, turn the other cheek etc... For Christians it is..

Again, it's hypocrisy when tested against your own beliefs for Christians, atheists don't have a central dogma, so there is no conflict or hypocrisy.
 
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