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Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

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Everyone in this country is "discriminated against" by someone. Whoever thinks that everyone in this country likes everyone else is smoking something.

Discrimination is treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit.
 
Gardener said:
Obviously. That's why I said "many on the left" and not "the left".

Are you capable of a different form of discrimination -- that of being able to discriminate between a blanket statement and one that isn't?
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Many on the right are not Christian, either. What does that prove?
 
digsbe said:
Christians are socially discriminated against, Try being a younger Christian in today's generation. Everyone likes to dog and attack people who actually live out their faith. Evangelicals are a mocked and socially persecuted minority. One could argue the lawsuits where Christians were forced to cater to things against their beliefs (gay bakery/photo lawsuits) is also discrimination and intolerance.
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Being disagreed with is not being discriminated against. There are way too many Christians out there who think that just being a Christian ought to confer social privileges. You don't get special rights (such as the right to discriminate against others) because you believe in an imaginary friend in the sky.
 
digsbe said:
Of course there is, the force was through penalties, charges and potentially losing their businesses. Discrimination did take place, their religious beliefs as individuals was violated in the name of public accommodation or anti-discrimination or whatever.
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The law says nobody gets to discriminate, period. Therefore, Christians are not being held to any different standard than anyone else, hence no discrimination. You really ought to figure out what you're talking about.
 
digsbe said:
Christian owners were punished for not participating in homosexual marriages upon request. The law allowed this, it's a legal form of persecution. Christians are also socially persecuted by many. The fact that many, and even some on this bored, will jump to label all Evangelicals as "bigots" or "haters" and judge them right from the getgo is a prime example of that.
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You seem to think that Christians get extra special privileges because they are Christian. They are required to follow the same non-discrimination laws as everyone else. Their religious beliefs do not grant them special rights, which is exactly what you are arguing for. That isn't discrimination, it's a refusal to allow Christians to be better than everyone else.
 
Cephus said:
The law says nobody gets to discriminate, period. Therefore, Christians are not being held to any different standard than anyone else, hence no discrimination. You really ought to figure out what you're talking about.
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Oh?! So people can't discriminate against the rich or the poor? Guess now I can go to that 5 star restaurant that only allows black ties!
 
Cephus said:
You seem to think that Christians get extra special privileges because they are Christian. They are required to follow the same non-discrimination laws as everyone else. Their religious beliefs do not grant them special rights, which is exactly what you are arguing for. That isn't discrimination, it's a refusal to allow Christians to be better than everyone else.
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What's ironic here is that you just did exactly what digsbe is talking about only using different words. :lamo
 
I certainly don't feel Christians are discriminated against. I've seen Christians promote other Christians at work over minorities and even other Christians who didn't share their exact views and the scary part is these people are pretty open about promoting their "Christian fundamentalist network" over others. I've never seen the opposite occur where moderate Christians or non Christians promote like-individuals.

Conservative Christians have very deep embedded good 'ol boy networks in which they hire or promote their own brand of Christian from very entrenched communities.


I actually watched a Mike Huckabee interview with Jon Stewart where Mike basically said "Yeah, we want our people over city people or other people" and Jon Stewart was just sorta floored. Christian Conservatives are open in their discrimination.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Oh?! So people can't discriminate against the rich or the poor? Guess now I can go to that 5 star restaurant that only allows black ties!
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There is no law against dress codes. There are laws against discriminating against people on the basis of race, gender and sexual orientation. Try again.
 
No, I don't think Christians are being discriminated. But I do think that Christians and non Christians are, and should be, appalled by the words and behavior of some so called Christians.
 
Kal'Stang said:
What's ironic here is that you just did exactly what digsbe is talking about only using different words. :lamo
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I did nothing of the sort. Digbe and many Christians are arguing for special rights for Christians. I am arguing for equal treatment under the law. Just because you don't like black people doesn't mean you get to discriminate against black people. Just because you don't like homosexuals doesn't mean you get to discriminate against homosexuals. I'm every bit as much against a homosexual bakery refusing to bake a cake for Christians as I am the reverse. Everyone follows the same laws, regardless of their personal feelings.
 
digsbe said:
Christians are socially discriminated against,
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How are they discriminated against? Are they told in and stores that their money is no good and because we refuse to serve Christians?
Try being a younger Christian in today's generation.
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Try being gay/lesbian in today's generation. Try being black in today's generation. Try being Muslim in today's generation. Verbal assaults, name calling, bulling. I am not sure I ever heard anyone being bullied because they loved Jesus.
Everyone likes to dog and attack people who actually live out their faith. Evangelicals are a mocked and socially persecuted minority.
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I totally disagree. It is possible that their beliefs are not in step with much of the nation at times. But they are certainly not persecuted. The churches are in every town. The rights have been protected since the Constitution was written. The churches and organizations are tax exempt. This is not persecution, it is protections beyond the norm.
One could argue the lawsuits where Christians were forced to cater to things against their beliefs (gay bakery/photo lawsuits) is also discrimination and intolerance.
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The lawsuits are not persecution against Christians they are lawsuits against businesses and business owners. There is nothing in the constitution that says if a person is Christian they have the right to break any law they don't happen to like because it doesn't suit them.
 
Cephus said:
There is no law against dress codes. There are laws against discriminating against people on the basis of race, gender and sexual orientation. Try again.
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Oh...so discrimination IS allowed? Just not certain kinds of discrimination. Isn't that discrimination in and of itself?

Cephus said:
I did nothing of the sort. Digbe and many Christians are arguing for special rights for Christians. I am arguing for equal treatment under the law. Just because you don't like black people doesn't mean you get to discriminate against black people. Just because you don't like homosexuals doesn't mean you get to discriminate against homosexuals. I'm every bit as much against a homosexual bakery refusing to bake a cake for Christians as I am the reverse. Everyone follows the same laws, regardless of their personal feelings.
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Yes, actually you did. He stated: "The fact that many, and even some on this bored, will jump to label all Evangelicals as "bigots" or "haters" and judge them right from the getgo is a prime example of that.". And what did you say? "it's a refusal to allow Christians to be better than everyone else". Looks to me like you are judging Christians right from the getgo particularly since you made your statement general enough to include all Christians.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Oh?! So people can't discriminate against the rich or the poor? Guess now I can go to that 5 star restaurant that only allows black ties!
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Yes, you can. If you can afford the prices and the black tie. If the restaurant is a public business and not a private club (as I'm assuming), then it can't bar you on the basis of you not having a certain income. If you have the black tie and can afford the items on the menu, you're in.
 
Cardinal said:
Yes, you can. If you can afford the prices and the black tie. If the restaurant is a public business and not a private club (as I'm assuming), then it can't bar you on the basis of you not having a certain income. If you have the black tie and can afford the items on the menu, you're in.
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Sorry, thought that it was pretty obvious that I was being sarcastic in order to make a point. Guess I'll try and be a bit less subtle next time. ;) The point in this case is that a black tie restaurant won't let anyone in that isn't wearing a black tie, even if they have the money to pay for the food. Which is considered discrimination. ;)
 
Kal'Stang said:
Sorry, thought that it was pretty obvious that I was being sarcastic in order to make a point. Guess I'll try and be a bit less subtle next time. ;) The point in this case is that a black tie restaurant won't let anyone in that isn't wearing a black tie, even if they have the money to pay for the food. Which is considered discrimination. ;)
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Wiki "discrimination" and get back to us. In every single post, in this thread and previous ones, you've consistently demonstrated a complete lack of comprehension of the word, and as such you are unqualified to participate in this discussion.
 
Cardinal said:
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Wiki "discrimination" and get back to us. In every single post, in this thread and previous ones, you've consistently demonstrated a lack of comprehension of the word, and as such you are unqualified to participate in this debate.
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Actually I don't think you know what it means.

1a : the act of discriminating

b : the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently

2: the quality or power of finely distinguishing


3a : the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually

b : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment <racial discrimination>
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Merriam-Webster ~ Discrimination
 
Kal'Stang said:
Actually I don't think you know what it means.



Merriam-Webster ~ Discrimination
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Well you can certainly cut and paste, I'll give you that. You still don't know what it means, unfortunately, which is why I suggested you wiki it. Perhaps it will give you comprehension of the word, especially as it is discussed in this context. Until then, debating you on this topic is like debating the causes of the American Civil War with someone who thinks the conflict involved Nazis and aliens and took place in China. In other words, thoroughly unqualified to participate in the discussion.
 
Cardinal said:
Well you can certainly cut and paste, I'll give you that. You still don't know what it means, unfortunately, which is why I suggested you wiki it. Perhaps it will give you comprehension of the word, especially as it is discussed in this context. Until then, debating you on this topic is like debating the causes of the American Civil War with someone who thinks the conflict involved Nazis and aliens and took place in China. In other words, thoroughly unqualified to participate in the discussion.
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:roll: Cute. Sorry but whether you like it or not the fact is that some discrimination is allowed by people and some isn't. Which is in and of itself is discrimination. I know you would like to keep it all narrow and all in order to prevent people from pointing out hypocrisy but the facts are the facts. And you can't pretend that the definition doesn't show the hypocrisy. You might want to try and ignore it and you might want to try and narrow it down to suit your agenda but the fact remains, people discriminate about ALL types of things. It is simply a fact of life and the way human beings are. There's nothing inherently wrong with discrimination. Its how people perceive discrimination that makes it right or wrong. But in the end don't pretend that [insert whatever here] isn't discrimination. All that does is perpetuate negative discrimination.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Oh...so discrimination IS allowed? Just not certain kinds of discrimination. Isn't that discrimination in and of itself?
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There are laws against discrimination. Nobody gets to break them for any reason. Get over yourself.

Yes, actually you did. He stated: "The fact that many, and even some on this bored, will jump to label all Evangelicals as "bigots" or "haters" and judge them right from the getgo is a prime example of that.". And what did you say? "it's a refusal to allow Christians to be better than everyone else". Looks to me like you are judging Christians right from the getgo particularly since you made your statement general enough to include all Christians.
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No Christian bakeries are being shut down proactively because they just might discriminate, the only ones that do are the ones that actually are discriminating. Nobody is discriminating against Christians, they are going after bigots. There is no right to get away from being a douchebag without consequence. Rent a clue.
 
Kal'Stang said:
:roll: Cute. Sorry but whether you like it or not the fact is that some discrimination is allowed by people and some isn't. Which is in and of itself is discrimination. I know you would like to keep it all narrow and all in order to prevent people from pointing out hypocrisy but the facts are the facts. And you can't pretend that the definition doesn't show the hypocrisy. You might want to try and ignore it and you might want to try and narrow it down to suit your agenda but the fact remains, people discriminate about ALL types of things. It is simply a fact of life and the way human beings are. There's nothing inherently wrong with discrimination. Its how people perceive discrimination that makes it right or wrong. But in the end don't pretend that [insert whatever here] isn't discrimination. All that does is perpetuate negative discrimination.
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You participating in this discussion would be like me participating in the gun forum thinking a gun was a bow and arrow. For your sake, learn the meaning of the word and stop embarrassing yourself.
 
Cardinal said:
You participating in this discussion would be like me participating in the gun forum thinking a gun was a bow and arrow. For your sake, learn the meaning of the word and stop embarrassing yourself.
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I'd suggest that you stop trying to narrow it down to fit your agenda. ;) Would make your arguments much more believable about wanting to stop negative discrimination. ;)
 
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