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Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?

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Kal'Stang said:
Underlined: Now see, here you are just moving the goal posts. The poll question, and the topic of the thread is: "Do you feel Christians are Discriminated against in America?" Why do you want to narrow down the possibilities of discrimination to just the law? But hey, I'll answer anyways just because I'm such a nice guy. But I'm going to ask questions in order to answer it as the answers to those questions should show the discrimination if answered honestly and you use the actual definition of "discrimination". ;)

Is there or is there not a law on the books that bars Christians from discrimination? Does that law include ALL forms of discrimination?
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But we already agree that simply disliking them or speaking out against them isn't discrimination because nobody has a right not to be offended. Discrimination is a legal term, therefore any discrimination has to be legal in nature. So where are these cases? Or are you just blowing smoke, as usual?
 
Cardinal said:
Everyone who isn't pant-on-head retarded knows the question was referring to systematically practiced discrimination. Everyone who isn't pants-on-head retarded is also going with a definition of "discrimination" that people with a GED and higher are going with.
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Actually the OP doesn't give any specifics. He poses the question and then says "Do you think they are?". That's it. All that you're doing is assuming that he's talking about systemically practiced discrimination of the kind that violates the law. And you know what it means when you assume right?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Actually the OP doesn't give any specifics.
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He doesn't need to because he's not pants-on-head retarded and neither are we, and we haven't been living in a cave for the last thirty years. Only a pedant thinks he's being clever by pointing to the literal wording of a question and ignores all context. Everyone else just rolls their eyes and prays he sees something shiny and wanders off.
 
Cephus said:
But we already agree that simply disliking them or speaking out against them isn't discrimination because nobody has a right not to be offended. Discrimination is a legal term, therefore any discrimination has to be legal in nature. So where are these cases? Or are you just blowing smoke, as usual?
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No, discrimination is NOT a legal term. Discrimination does have a legal definition which is applied to the law which prohibits it. But that is a narrowed down definition of discrimination in order to prevent the law from affecting other forms of discrimination. Or do you seriously believe that the word "discrimination" only came about due to affirmative action laws? God I hope not!

And no, we did not agree that simply disliking them "isn't discrimination". Where did I ever agree to that? Stop putting words in my mouth. And just because no one has a right to not be offended does not mean that they still cannot discriminate.
 
Cardinal said:
He doesn't need to because he's not pants-on-head retarded and neither are we, and we haven't been living in a cave for the last thirty years. Only a pedant thinks he's being clever by pointing to the literal wording of a question and ignores all context. Everyone else just rolls their eyes and prays he sees something shiny and wanders off.
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Thanks for admitting that you are assuming. It's really ironic however that you say that I'm ignoring all context when I've pointed out to you that the OP did not give the context that you're giving it. But you still know the context huh?! :roll:
 
Kal'Stang said:
Thanks for admitting that you are assuming. It's really ironic however that you say that I'm ignoring all context when I've pointed out to you that the OP did not give the context that you're giving it. But you still know the context huh?! :roll:
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Yes, because the rest of us have been conscious for the last thirty years. Your involvement in this thread is an excellent demonstration of why it's a good idea to start at the beginning of a book rather than, say, the last ten pages.

It's also an excellent demonstration of why one should know the meanings of words before using them in debate.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Except that simply pointing out severe and systemic hypocrisy is not the only thing that is happening is it? There are groups out there that are purposely trying to push anything Christian out of public spaces. Do you deny this? There are people out there that purposely go out of their way to offend Christians in order to drown them out. Don't believe me? Scan through this forum. Look to the front page, see that section called "Religious Discussions"? Do you know why that had to be made? Do you know why the special rule set is in effect in that section?
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This is a direct response to Christians attempt to push others out of the holidays, declaring its a Christian country first and foremost
And the general attitude that all other beliefs are subordinate and secondary.

Read my sig, its been there since yesterday. I no more want Christians to use government force to deny LGBT rights than I want anyone else to deny the Rights of Christians through government force. And like it or not, people have a right to discriminate. Its called the right to association and the right to freedom of speech. Would you like it if I forced you via the government to be with someone that you don't like? That you don't approve of because they smell like a dump? Or any other number of ways in which people decide who they don't want to be around?
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What's the difference between your skewed representation of what I'm saying and Christians claiming they are being attacked because someone prefers to say happy holidays instead of merry Christmas? Falsely claiming victimization is a control tactic for slinging opposing ideas and beliefs.


Oh sure, people use the government to try and prevent certain kinds of discrimination. But by doing so they are ignoring other types of discrimination. All the while claiming that they're not really discriminating. Just look at this thread for that example.
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Feeling offended does not equal being discriminated against.
 
Cardinal said:
Yes, because the rest of us have been conscious for the last thirty years. Your involvement in this thread is an excellent demonstration of why it's a good idea to start at the beginning of a book rather than, say, the last ten pages.

It's also an excellent demonstration of why one should know the meanings of words before using them in debate.
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You might have been conscious. But you've kept your eyes shut the whole time. BTW: Your attempt to shut me up via ridicule is not going to work. Might want to try another debate tactic. ;)
 
Kal'Stang said:
Sure: Link
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You know, my first reaction to his post was "Ooh, not a smart challenge. With three hundred million people in the United States and access to google at your finger tips, demanding an example of just one instance of discrimination against Christians is really just not smart at all." And then you had to prove the utter lack of substance of your position by doing...that.

And I'm not trying shut you up. I'm more than happy to point to the cluelessness of your position over and over again. Please keep embarrassing yourself by demonstrating that you learned of this issue this morning.
 
Occam's Razor said:
This is a direct response to Christians attempt to push others out of the holidays, declaring its a Christian country first and foremost
And the general attitude that all other beliefs are subordinate and secondary.
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So its perfectly acceptable to fight discrimination with discrimination? Isn't that a lot like the pot calling the kettle black? And is this an admission that Christians are being discriminated against? Or where you just commenting solely on the part that you bolded and ignored the rest of what I said? If so...why'd you ignore it?

Occam's Razor said:
What's the difference between your skewed representation of what I'm saying and Christians claiming they are being attacked because someone prefers to say happy holidays instead of merry Christmas? Falsely claiming victimization is a control tactic for slinging opposing ideas and beliefs.
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I haven't skewed it at all. Please show me where I have done such. However for your example there, Christians aren't claiming victimization because people prefer to say "happy holidays". Christians are claiming that they are being victimized because others want them to say "happy holidays" instead of "merry Christmas".

Occam's Razor said:
Feeling offended does not equal being discriminated against.
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I believe that I've already said this in another post? Admittedly with different words.
 
Cardinal said:
You know, my first reaction to his post was "Ooh, not a smart challenge. With three hundred million people in the United States and access to google at your finger tips, demanding an example of just one instance of discrimination against Christians is really just not smart at all." And then you had to prove the utter lack of substance of your position by doing...that.

And I'm not trying shut you up. I'm more than happy to point to the cluelessness of your position over and over again. Please keep embarrassing yourself by demonstrating that you learned of this issue this morning.
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Do you even realize what it is that I linked to? You've been here for 7 years. Do you remember how this forum used to look? Do you remember that the Religion and Philosophy sections used to be combined? Now...do you remember WHY those two were separated and why the religion section has a special rule set? I remember. ;)

Your post here was a perfect example of reacting before thinking. ;) You've done the same thing through out this entire thread.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Do you even realize what it is that I linked to? You've been here for 7 years. Do you remember how this forum used to look? Do you remember that the Religion and Philosophy sections used to be combined? Now...do you remember WHY those two were separated and why the religion section has a special rule set? I remember. ;)

Your post here was a perfect example of reacting before thinking. ;) You've done the same thing through out this entire thread.
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Your link went to the DP home page. Might want to check that.
 
I just showed my 90 year old uncle who lived in the South during the days of Jim Crow this thread,who remembers having to drink in "Coloreds Only" drinking fountains. Who remembers almost being lynched for registering fellow blacks to vote. Of being denied jobs and housing because of his color. He almost died laughing on how "discriminated" Christians are in America today.
 
Cardinal said:
Your link went to the DP home page. Might want to check that.
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Yes, I know. DP is a perfect example of where Christians have been discriminated against. As I said, do you remember why the religion and philosophy forum had to be separated and why the religion section has a special rule set?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Yes, I know. DP is a perfect example of where Christians have been discriminated against. As I said, do you remember why the religion and philosophy forum had to be separated and why the religion section has a special rule set?
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Demonstrating as usual you have zero clue what discrimination means. You are dismissed.
 
Verthaine said:
I just showed my 90 year old uncle who lived in the South during the days of Jim Crow this thread,who remembers having to drink in "Coloreds Only" drinking fountains. Who remembers almost being lynched for registering fellow blacks to vote. Of being denied jobs and housing because of his color. He almost died laughing on how "discriminated" Christians are in America today.
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Do you and your 90 year old uncle realize that just because he was discriminated against doesn't mean that others cannot be also? Somehow I get the feeling that your grandfather also laughed when the LGBT community claimed discrimination also.
 
Cardinal said:
Demonstrating as usual you have zero clue what discrimination means. You are dismissed.
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Funny how you didn't answer my question. Do you remember why the religion and philosophy section had to be separated and why the religion section has a special rule set? Yes or no? If yes then perhaps you could say the reason?
 
I don't feel discriminated against and haven't seen any signs of such a thing against Christians around the country, so no.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Funny how you didn't answer my question. Do you remember why the religion and philosophy section had to be separated and why the religion section has a special rule set? Yes or no? If yes then perhaps you could say the reason?
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Okay, on the incredibly miniscule, sub-atomically small chance you're not trolling, here's why you're link was pants on head retarded. And just for the record, you could have spared yourself the embarrassment (unless you're trolling, in which case you're achieving your objective right now) by first going to wikipedia to understand discrimination.

Your decision to link to the DP home page was poo-in-hair stupid because Christians aren't being prevented from participating on Debate Politics!

Do you understand that now, or do you need a six year old to draw a picture for you?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Yes, I know. DP is a perfect example of where Christians have been discriminated against. As I said, do you remember why the religion and philosophy forum had to be separated and why the religion section has a special rule set?
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So anonymous people on the internet, not taking crap from other anonymous people on the internet equates to discrimination, but only if it's on a religious topic and not on a political topic???

Look at the abortion forum or gun forum...is there discrimination happening there????

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Dragonfly said:
So anonymous people on the internet, not taking crap from other anonymous people on the internet equates to discrimination, but only if it's on a religious topic and not on a political topic???

Look at the abortion forum or gun forum...is there discrimination happening there????

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He doesn't know what discrimination means.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Do you and your 90 year old uncle realize that just because he was discriminated against doesn't mean that others cannot be also? Somehow I get the feeling that your grandfather also laughed when the LGBT community claimed discrimination also.
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Uncle Sal is gay. That's kind of why I showed him this thread.

You haven't demonstrated how you as a Christian are being discriminated against. Have you ever been denied housing because you are a Christian? I've been denied housing because I am black. How about being denied employment because of your religion?I know what it's like being denied a job because of my color. How many times have you been stopped by the cops for "driving while Christian"? And let's not go into all the b.s. me and my wife still go through for being an inter-racial married couple. Do you really want to get into a pissing contest about discrimination with a guy who was a young lad in the Deep South in the 50's and 60's? I agree with Cardinal in that you don't know what real discrimination is.
 
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