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Political Correctness

Is Political Correctness Real

  • Yes

    Votes: 82 82.8%
  • No

    Votes: 8 8.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 9 9.1%

  • Total voters
    99
Not sure what you're trying to argue. Yes, those things would also be unacceptable in pretty much all circles. But to people who don't agree with those norms, they are "political correctness." That's what "political correctness" is- a social norm one doesn't agree with. So it isn't like there are circles that are objectively PC and other circles that are objectively not PC. It is completely subjective. Depending on one's personal beliefs, different circles look more or less PC. In fact, if 30 years from now, your circle traveled back in time and met your circle today, your circle today would perceive your future circle as being extremely PC because the future circle would have adopted quite a few social norms that your present circle hasn't yet.

No. PC is aggressive, didactic and peremptory. Etiquette is respectful of the personal sphere.
 
No. PC is aggressive, didactic and peremptory. Etiquette is respectful of the personal sphere.

You don't think the Nazi would perceive your circle's response to his beliefs as aggressive, didactic and peremptory?
 
Political correctness is the term rude narcissists use to describe manners.

So.... are manners constant?

Or are they subject to changes based upon the opinions of the loudest voices?

For example..... in the 60s it was acceptable for black people to be called "negro" or "colored"... even by black folks. Then it was changed to "black".... and within the past decade or so, you are wrong if you don't say, "African American".

And then... the new rules coming out with "code words" for racism.... for example, there is apparently a movement to turn the word "thug", which has been used for centuries into a strictly racists (against blacks) "code word" for "Nigger".

I mean, honestly, who can keep up with all this bull****???
 
Sometimes but not always and not even generally. I was told by an African American lady that using the term black was racist and in the same conversation I was told by a black woman that using the term African American was racist because she was "black" :lol: Seriously... Not even I could make that **** up.

Reminds me of when I was speaking to a white private school student whose car was broken into as I was taking her report, she asked if I knew another Officer that worked in my division that used to be her School Resource Officer. I said, "I think I know who you are talking about, he is a tall black guy with a bald head?" And she responded with a bit of an attitude, "He is African-American". To which I responded, "I am pretty sure he was born in the United States."



She didn't get it.....
 
No, it's just the notion that people should the treated with respect, even if they are a minority, foreign, or traditionally lack power. Sometimes it's taken to extremes and sometimes people disagree on what is or is not respectful, but the core idea is about treating people well.



No, it isn't. You just want to disrespect and suppress people for being different from you.

Seriously, give us an example of something you can't say because of this horrible PC conspiracy. I'll bet that it's either incredibly nasty, or you actually can say it. And, of course, facing social repercussions for saying something cruel and nasty is just part of living in a society where we aren't forced to all be the same.

Emphasis added for the Lulz!

That is exactly what the PC world wants us to do. Be forced to use whatever terminology they come up with this week that is "acceptable" to call someone. Thus creating evil hateful racists out of people who were adults in the 1970s when it was the "acceptable term" to use word X... and who didn't have the time or care to keep up with the fact that within 30 years the "acceptable" term changed 4 ****ing times since then.

Its the easiest way to discard any opinion or shut down any disagreement with the political "fad" of the time.

For example... as a result of all the idiotic looting and burning in the name of "BlackLivesMatter" people are trying to get the word "thug" turned into the new "Nigger" so anyone who ... rightfully calls a looter a "thug" is being racist.....and therefore, we don't want to listen to what you have to say about these criminal acts because you are just an evil evil racist!

In short.......Its how they reach this....

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Being politically Correct (Stupid, if you ask me) is going through and re-labelling everything from commonly accepted language and pretty much obscuring what's really going on and what it really is. For example
Political Correctness Is Stupid!

Some of the more funny ones. Yeah, maybe an exaggeration and tongue in cheek and I think it's driving the point home.
PC is little more than obscuring commonly held definitions of the realities. Call it for what it is.

You forgot one from one of the funny movies of my younger days, "Master of the Custodial Arts - Janitor"
 
So.... are manners constant?

Or are they subject to changes based upon the opinions of the loudest voices?

For example..... in the 60s it was acceptable for black people to be called "negro" or "colored"... even by black folks. Then it was changed to "black".... and within the past decade or so, you are wrong if you don't say, "African American".

And then... the new rules coming out with "code words" for racism.... for example, there is apparently a movement to turn the word "thug", which has been used for centuries into a strictly racists (against blacks) "code word" for "Nigger".

I mean, honestly, who can keep up with all this bull****???
Considering that you just listed the evolution of appropriate ways to refer to black people, apparently you can keep up with it.

I also don't think that there's much basis for saying that manners are changed based upon the "loudest voices". It seems to me that those who oppose so-called political correctness are just as loud as those who endorse it. Most manners that are referred to as "political correctness" just come down to respecting how people identify and respecting their boundaries.
 
It's a good thing being polite, but PC is being afraid of speaking the truth.
 
No. PC is aggressive, didactic and peremptory. Etiquette is respectful of the personal sphere.
It's a good thing being polite, but PC is being afraid of speaking the truth.
Framing it as "etiquette" is really just a subtle form of political correctness. In this case it's more of a gentle persuasion, but with the same desired end result. You're* still saying that certain unwanted speech should be suppressed.

*-Generic "you".
 
Sorry, but no. My "circles" don't enforce codes of speech or belief. They do, however, cherish the freedom that political correctness aims to curtail.

So there are no forms of etiquette in your circles, is that what you're claiming? If I walked into a gathering with your friends and family I could saying anything I wanted without any form of retribution?
 
Considering that you just listed the evolution of appropriate ways to refer to black people, apparently you can keep up with it.

I also don't think that there's much basis for saying that manners are changed based upon the "loudest voices". It seems to me that those who oppose so-called political correctness are just as loud as those who endorse it. Most manners that are referred to as "political correctness" just come down to respecting how people identify and respecting their boundaries.

Well, I am sorry if I find forcing the term "African-American" to be offensive to those who may have African ancestry, but do not wish to be associated with Africa.

Or, maybe I should start the movement to ensure that white people are referred to as "European-Americans" and make "white" and evil racist term.

Or shall we only use the more scientific terms like "Caucasian" and "Negroid/Congoid" and "Mongoloid" ?? No?
 
So there are no forms of etiquette in your circles, is that what you're claiming? If I walked into a gathering with your friends and family I could saying anything I wanted without any form of retribution?
Depends on the purpose of the discussion. Etiquette, in the form of being respectful, is fine when choosing one's phrasing and/or if you don't desire a serious conversation on a controversial topic. "Etiquette", in the form of censoring what should be an open and honest discussion on a serious topic, is just a subtle euphemistic way to enforce politically correct suppression of ideas.
 
Well, I am sorry if I find forcing the term "African-American" to be offensive to those who may have African ancestry, but do not wish to be associated with Africa.

Or, maybe I should start the movement to ensure that white people are referred to as "European-Americans" and make "white" and evil racist term.

Or shall we only use the more scientific terms like "Caucasian" and "Negroid/Congoid" and "Mongoloid" ?? No?
You can do whatever you want. :shrug:
 
I would be indifferent to the Nazi's views.

I'm sure. By definition, the party that is perceived by the other as being "politically correct" feels that they have a categorically superior moral understanding of whatever the topic they disagree over is. You believe Nazism is wrong, so you judge Nazis. Nazis think Nazism isn't actually wrong and that you're just being "politically correct." Just like maybe you believe something that somebody else thinks is morally wrong and you think it isn't actually wrong and they're just being "politically correct."

It's like saying a burrito is too spicy. Everybody agrees that burritos they personally think are too spicy suck, but that doesn't mean that everybody would agree about what burritos suck. Same with political correctness. We all feel that when somebody tries to impose a moral standard on us that we don't agree with, that sucks. But we don't all agree about which moral standards should be applied and which ones shouldn't. So it's kind of meaningless. The logical content of "political correctness sucks" is just "I don't like things I don't like." It's a tautology.
 
So there are no forms of etiquette in your circles, is that what you're claiming? If I walked into a gathering with your friends and family I could saying anything I wanted without any form of retribution?

Once, at least.
 
I'm sure. By definition, the party that is perceived by the other as being "politically correct" feels that they have a categorically superior moral understanding of whatever the topic they disagree over is. You believe Nazism is wrong, so you judge Nazis. Nazis think Nazism isn't actually wrong and that you're just being "politically correct." Just like maybe you believe something that somebody else thinks is morally wrong and you think it isn't actually wrong and they're just being "politically correct."

It's like saying a burrito is too spicy. Everybody agrees that burritos they personally think are too spicy suck, but that doesn't mean that everybody would agree about what burritos suck. Same with political correctness. We all feel that when somebody tries to impose a moral standard on us that we don't agree with, that sucks. But we don't all agree about which moral standards should be applied and which ones shouldn't. So it's kind of meaningless. The logical content of "political correctness sucks" is just "I don't like things I don't like." It's a tautology.

PC diminishes freedom and stifles inquiry, as does Nazism btw.
 
Good evening, Polgara.:2wave:

Thanks.

That's what I like about this Country - we all have the right to have an opinion. This site gives us the opportunity to express those opinions, and if people get upset and angry when you disagree with them, that's unfortunate - for them, because we are not robots.
 
PC diminishes freedom and stifles inquiry, as does Nazism btw.

It doesn't seem like you're following what I'm saying. You also diminish the freedom of the Nazi by criticizing him and stifle further inquiry into Nazism. Right? But you think that the immorality of Nazism is sufficiently bad to make that worth it. Right? Same deal with whoever is judging you that you consider to be being politically correct- they think what you're doing is sufficiently bad that it is worth stifling inquiry and diminishing the freedom to do something they consider evil.

Political correctness isn't a fixed thing out there in the world that everybody can point at and agree that it is political correctness. "Political correctness" is what we call it when somebody expresses a moral belief on us that we personally don't like. There are views you have that other people would consider "political correctness", which you would not, and there are views other people have that you would consider "political correctness", but they don't.

For example, you don't think that criticizing somebody for expressing Nazi views is "political correctness", you think Nazism is obviously evil and expressing that it is evil is righteously standing up to evil. Well, I think that anti-gay bigotry and racism are just as obviously evil and I think that expressing that they are evil is righteously standing up to evil. Somebody else might think that eating meat is obviously evil and might criticize me for doing it. I'll perceive that as them being "politically correct", but they'll believe that eating meat is obviously evil and that they are bravely standing up against me for what is right.
 
It doesn't seem like you're following what I'm saying. You also diminish the freedom of the Nazi by criticizing him and stifle further inquiry into Nazism. Right? But you think that the immorality of Nazism is sufficiently bad to make that worth it. Right? Same deal with whoever is judging you that you consider to be being politically correct- they think what you're doing is sufficiently bad that it is worth stifling inquiry and diminishing the freedom to do something they consider evil.

Political correctness isn't a fixed thing out there in the world that everybody can point at and agree that it is political correctness. "Political correctness" is what we call it when somebody expresses a moral belief on us that we personally don't like. There are views you have that other people would consider "political correctness", which you would not, and there are views other people have that you would consider "political correctness", but they don't.

For example, you don't think that criticizing somebody for expressing Nazi views is "political correctness", you think Nazism is obviously evil and expressing that it is evil is righteously standing up to evil. Well, I think that anti-gay bigotry and racism are just as obviously evil and I think that expressing that they are evil is righteously standing up to evil. Somebody else might think that eating meat is obviously evil and might criticize me for doing it. I'll perceive that as them being "politically correct", but they'll believe that eating meat is obviously evil and that they are bravely standing up against me for what is right.

We agree anti-gay bigotry and racism are evil.
 
It is a classic Left Wing tactic.

There's just as much PC nonsense coming from the right.

Foetus, unborn child. Marriage has to mean a man and a woman. Observant Muslim has to be referred to as a Fundy Muzzie. Every year there's a War on Christmas. Don't say Happy Holiday. Palestinians don't exist. Creeping socialism. French fries become Liberty Fries. Welfare Queens and the demonisation of the poor - scroungers. Pro-life, when they really mean anti-abortion. The Dixie Chicks saga.

Need any more examples?

I sometimes cringe when people on the left say ridiculous things and engage in the victim mentality. Had a huge row with Chromium recently when he wanted to ban the word 'fag', and I'm a fag ffs! His hissy fit was frankly embarrassing, but for every Chromium there's a rightie playing the victim card and telling me what I can and can't call something. It's an equal opportunities disease; affects all ends of the political spectrum.
 
There's just as much PC nonsense coming from the right.

Foetus, unborn child. Marriage has to mean a man and a woman. Observant Muslim has to be referred to as a Fundy Muzzie. Every year there's a War on Christmas. Don't say Happy Holiday. Palestinians don't exist. Creeping socialism. French fries become Liberty Fries. Welfare Queens and the demonisation of the poor - scroungers. Pro-life, when they really mean anti-abortion. The Dixie Chicks saga.

Need any more examples?

I sometimes cringe when people on the left say ridiculous things and engage in the victim mentality. Had a huge row with Chromium recently when he wanted to ban the word 'fag', and I'm a fag ffs! His hissy fit was frankly embarrassing, but for every Chromium there's a rightie playing the victim card and telling me what I can and can't call something. It's an equal opportunities disease; affects all ends of the political spectrum.

To note the excesses of the right does not excuse the excesses of the left.
 
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