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Political Correctness

Is Political Correctness Real

  • Yes

    Votes: 82 82.8%
  • No

    Votes: 8 8.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 9 9.1%

  • Total voters
    99
everything is fascism. nothing is fascism. welcome to T H E V O I D
 
everything is fascism. nothing is fascism. welcome to T H E V O I D

never said that.

PC types are some of the least tolerant authoritarian types out there.... funny many of them fly under commie and anarchist banners as "antifascist" when nothing is further from reality.
 
It would be pretty punk rock. :lol:

Yep, until the shirt bearer is being stabbed by a person who was raped as a child. Then the assailant would plea insanity and win the case if they could prove PTSD and no premeditation.
 
never said that.

PC types are some of the least tolerant authoritarian types out there.... funny many of them fly under commie and anarchist banners as "antifascist" when nothing is further from reality.

antifas are for a reassertion of traditionalism, racial supremacy, etc

news to me br0
 
A person at an orphanage wearing a shirt that reads "I rape and murder babies". Is that politically correct to you?

What does that have to do with political correctness? Nothing, as far as I can tell.
 
What does that have to do with political correctness? Nothing, as far as I can tell.

You don't think that shirt could have offensive responses to a specific group of people in an orphanage?
 
You don't think that shirt could have offensive responses to a specific group of people in an orphanage?

That isn't political correctness. It is either a threat or sarcasm. If it is a threat it is simply illegal. If it is sarcasm it is freedom of speech.

The Political Correctness comes in when somebody opposing that shirt wearers freedom of speech calls them anti-child and wants to suppress their freedom of speech.
 
That isn't political correctness. It is either a threat or sarcasm. If it is a threat it is simply illegal. If it is sarcasm it is freedom of speech.

The Political Correctness comes in when somebody opposing that shirt wearers freedom of speech calls them anti-child and wants to suppress their freedom of speech.

That is not how I understand PC. PC is avoiding behavior that people of certain groups will find reasonably offensive.

Wiki seems to give a definition that supports my view.

"Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct, commonly abbreviated to PC) is a pejorative term used to criticize language, actions, or policies seen as being excessively calculated to not offend or disadvantage any particular group of people in society."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness
 
That is not how I understand PC. PC is avoiding behavior that people of certain groups will find reasonably offensive.

Wiki seems to give a definition that supports my view.

"Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct, commonly abbreviated to PC) is a pejorative term used to criticize language, actions, or policies seen as being excessively calculated to not offend or disadvantage any particular group of people in society."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness

It says otherwise in your referrence: " used to criticize "
 
It says otherwise in your referrence: " used to criticize "

The person wearing that shirt may be criticizing orphans are overly sensitive. There is still room for inference in the statement "I rape babies" even though there is no direct criticism in the statement.
 
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Real or not... some think it isn't and they are generally the ones guilty of being Politically Correct. :lol:

Thoughts....

It is both a real thing and a tool of deflection.

There are times were unreasonable ***** footing is expected because people do not want to hear the truth. I.e Don't call big people fat.

There are times where someone is being a jackass and hides behind the misnomer of "politically correctness" as a shield from criticism in his/her rhetoric.

I.e. Some may say it is the undeniable truth that blacks are savages and any dissent of this reality is political correctness. But in actual reality the person is a racist and any opposition to his/her racist belief is not "political correctness" but regular ol' reason and rationality.

I rarely see any accusations of polictical correctness used reasonably. It's usually just a catch all phrase that can conveniently misdirect criticism of certain beliefs.
 
The person wearing that shirt may be criticizing orphans are overly sensitive. There is still room for inference in the statement "I rape babies" even though there is no direct criticism in the statement.

You are reaching... it is not criticizing. Just make a different analogy and move on.
 
"Political correctness" is just a disparaging term for social norms. When somebody fails to live up to a social norm, people criticize them and in order to dismiss the criticism, they call it "political correctness." Now, certainly there are cases where somebody is overly zealous in applying social norms or misunderstands something somebody did or said and incorrectly identifies it as breaching a social norm. But, in my experience, far more often, when somebody cries "political correctness," the person complaining about it actually did do something that society finds unacceptable.

And, as annoying as it may be to live in a world where social norms exist, they're a fundamental part of the whole survival strategy of our species. What we think of as morality is just longstanding social norms. The reason we're able to live together in communities and avoid the most destructive behaviors is that social norms are so effective.
 
It is both a real thing and a tool of deflection.

There are times were unreasonable ***** footing is expected because people do not want to hear the truth. I.e Don't call big people fat.

There are times where someone is being a jackass and hides behind the misnomer of "politically correctness" as a shield from criticism in his/her rhetoric.

I.e. Some may say it is the undeniable truth that blacks are savages and any dissent of this reality is political correctness. But in actual reality the person is a racist and any opposition to his/her racist belief is not "political correctness" but regular ol' reason and rationality.

I rarely see any accusations of polictical correctness used reasonably. It's usually just a catch all phrase that can conveniently misdirect criticism of certain beliefs.

Good post.
 
"Political correctness" is just a disparaging term for social norms. When somebody fails to live up to a social norm, people criticize them and in order to dismiss the criticism, they call it "political correctness." Now, certainly there are cases where somebody is overly zealous in applying social norms or misunderstands something somebody did or said and incorrectly identifies it as breaching a social norm. But, in my experience, far more often, when somebody cries "political correctness," the person complaining about it actually did do something that society finds unacceptable.

And, as annoying as it may be to live in a world where social norms exist, they're a fundamental part of the whole survival strategy of our species. What we think of as morality is just longstanding social norms. The reason we're able to live together in communities and avoid the most destructive behaviors is that social norms are so effective.

Social norms are different than social conformity and political correctness arises when people criticize others for not conforming.
 
Social norms are different than social conformity and political correctness arises when people criticize others for not conforming.

What is the difference between social norms and enforcing social conformity? Seems to me like they're just two ways of describing the same thing with different connotations.
 
What is the difference between social norms and enforcing social conformity? Seems to me like they're just two ways of describing the same thing with different connotations.

Social norms are just how society normally functions... natural flow. Acceptance. We stand in lines. We hold the door for people. We don't yell at babies...

Social conformity can be to conform to the norms but I mean it as being forced to conform to what others demand. That is political correctness and/or laws.
 
Social norms are just how society normally functions... natural flow. Acceptance. We stand in lines. We hold the door for people. We don't yell at babies...

Social conformity can be to conform to the norms but I mean it as being forced to conform to what others demand. That is political correctness and/or laws.

I still am not clear on what you perceive to be the distinction. Best I can tell, social norms are all society trying to pressure individuals to do as others demand. Society demands that one not yell at babies and society also demands that one not be racist. The former may be less controversial than the latter, but I don't think those are things of a different kind so much as just one social norm that is almost universally accepted and another one that is not.
 
I still am not clear on what you perceive to be the distinction. Best I can tell, social norms are all society trying to pressure individuals to do as others demand. Society demands that one not yell at babies and society also demands that one not be racist. The former may be less controversial than the latter, but I don't think those are things of a different kind so much as just one social norm that is almost universally accepted and another one that is not.

In all honesty this is a tangent. Political Correctness is about criticizing others to conform to their demands. That is my argument.
 
Political correctness is the term rude narcissists use to describe manners.

"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."
 
In all honesty this is a tangent. Political Correctness is about criticizing others to conform to their demands. That is my argument.

Yeah, I'd agree with that, but that doesn't make it categorically different than any other social norm. The difference between what somebody calls "political correctness" and what somebody would call a moral standard or social norm is just how the speaker feels about the particular rule being pushed on them.
 
Yeah, I'd agree with that, but that doesn't make it categorically different than any other social norm. The difference between what somebody calls "political correctness" and what somebody would call a moral standard or social norm is just how the speaker feels about the particular rule being pushed on them.

Good point BUT I find it fun to view things negatively and assume the worst though so I will stick with "Political Correctness is Evil" for now.
 
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