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Political Correctness

Is Political Correctness Real

  • Yes

    Votes: 82 82.8%

  • No

    Votes: 8 8.1%

  • Other

    Votes: 9 9.1%
  • Total voters
    99
AlbqOwl said:
And pray tell who is organizing to punish, even destroy the reputation, livelihood, and/or opportunities of those who express a politically correct point of view?

The Westboro Baptists? They don't give a flying fig what anybody believes. They are in it for the money, trying to trigger lawsuits so that they can profit. Much as the ACLU does only in a different way. Utterly contemptible and self serving, but not what I was talking about.


The hate filled tweets or Facebook posts? Idiots on both sides of the aisle are equally guilty there, but they aren't organizing to physically and materially punish people.

Regardless of where it comes from though, tolerance is not tolerance unless both sides of an argument are allowed their point of view.
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It depends on who's whose ox is being gored. The poor poor regressives are being judged so harshly, So they invented politically correct to respond to issues that they are 100% wrong about but need something to keep face. All aspects of their invention (political correct) is out of the same can that the rest of their paranoia comes from.
 
jbander said:
It depends on who's whose ox is being gored. The poor poor regressives are being judged so harshly, So they invented politically correct to respond to issues that they are 100% wrong about but need something to keep face. All aspects of their invention (political correct) is out of the same can that the rest of their paranoia comes from.
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I don't care what it is called. PC is accurately described by those who describe it and/or define it. So we can build a straw man and try to make the term itself the elephant in the room. Or we can appreciate that PC is what it is and think it is a good thing--which would be those who want to control everybody else--or we can think it is something to be resisted by those who want to exercise their right to free speech, thought, ideas, opinion, perceptions without fear of some angry mob descending upon them to punish them.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I don't care what it is called. PC is accurately described by those who describe it and/or define it. So we can build a straw man and try to make the term itself the elephant in the room. Or we can appreciate that PC is what it is and think it is a good thing--which would be those who want to control everybody else--or we can think it is something to be resisted by those who want to exercise their right to free speech, thought, ideas, opinion, perceptions without fear of some angry mob descending upon them to punish them.
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Its ridiculous, can you tell me sometime in the history of the world , that there are things you say that people didn't get upset over and do all the things you charge that you poor regressives have to suffer through. Paranoia is a prerequisite to be a regressive. You poor poor babies have it so tough. Wimp would be a good word.
 
jbander said:
Its ridiculous, can you tell me sometime in the history of the world , that there are things you say that people didn't get upset over and do all the things you charge that you poor regressives have to suffer through. Paranoia is a prerequisite to be a regressive. You poor poor babies have it so tough. Wimp would be a good word.
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Well, when you have an argument to rebut mine get back to me. I'll continue to argue the thread topic. Have a nice day.
 
AlbqOwl said:
There aren't loud complaints about PCisms. There are loud complaints directed at those who demand that we all use them. For example, if you want to say undocumented immigrants instead of illegal immigrants, that is anybody's choice. But don't presume to denigrate those who know such people are breaking the law and are therefore illegal and who choose to say it like it is.

Even worse are those who organize to punish, even destroy the reputation, livelihood, and/or opportunities of those who exercise a politically incorrect point of view such as support for traditional marriage or a pro life belief that the life in the womb is a human being or a person should not have to participate in an activity he/she believes to be wrong.

PC demands tolerance as defined by the PC police. There is no tolerance for anybody else's point of view.
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It all comes down to semantics. There is an agenda is saying illegal immigrants or undocumented immigrants. It's not really about freedom of speech or tolerance, it's about propaganda and semantics for both sides.
 
Kobie said:
For whatever demographic purposes, as I'm sure you know, "African-American" refers to sub-Saharan non-whites. It's genetic lineage that determines "race," as it is used. It can be confusing for many, though. What we know now as "Hispanic" didn't exist before the Spanish started breeding with the South and Central American natives. Haitians live in Latin America but are largely descended from African blacks and Creoles.

Let's just all **** until we're all the same color.
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Heh. I remember reading some sci-fi book years ago where the author wrote something like that in - after some thousands of years, everyone basically had the same general skin color and such.
 
radcen said:
Is the 5th generation south African white farmer considered "African". If said farmer were to emigrate to the US, would he be legitimately "African-American"? How many generations does a family have to live somewhere before they are sincerely considered of that location?

I have seen more than one British and/or French black actors/singers referred to as "African-American" by Americans, often black Americans, and they should know better better than anybody else.

These are yet more examples of why the term "African-American" is deceptively absurd.

I did not know that many Africans consider the term "African-American" to be arrogant, but it makes sense. It comes off as Americans claiming something that, other than skin color and family history, they really have no life experience of whatsoever.
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EXACTLY...The arrogance of us Americans is sometimes worthy of a few facepalm moments.

It is completely arrogant, and foolish of us as Americans to consider AN ENTIRE CONTINENT, with a mixed and valued history, to all be of one race.

Hence the complete absurdity of the PC term African-American.

It lumps a Berber in Morocco, an Egyptian, an Abyssinian horseman, and a Dutch descendant South African all into one big basket.

Add to the foolishness the face that there are quite a few American black people that do not like the term either.

I have no doubt at all, the term was coined by some white liberal think tank in some eastern college dorm.

It has ZERO to do with the real world, or even the wonderful "diversity" of the continent of Africa.
 
AlbqOwl said:
It does seem that the most consistently 'contemptible' American these days is a prosperous white, straight, Christian male. In our politically correct world, such people are expected to take a back seat to everybody else or they are fair game to be called arrogant racist extremists whose only legitimate claim to fame is via white privilege. Such cultural branding is a serious irritant to me.

I long for a world described by Martin Luther King as a culture in which ALL people are judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin. But the true racists among us these day demand that skin color never be ignored and must be considered in all matters. Color blindness is not an option.
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Where was my "white privilege" back when I was a young man starting out when a 1/2 gallon of ice cream was be a welcome celebration at the weeks end.

Oh, that's right, I forgot......ALL white people are born privileged and rich. We NEVER had to work for a thing we got. It was all given to us by our rich, white, relatives. Right?
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
Where was my "white privilege" back when I was a young man starting out when a 1/2 gallon of ice cream was be a welcome celebration at the weeks end.

Oh, that's right, I forgot......ALL white people are born privileged and rich. We NEVER had to work for a thing we got. It was all given to us by our rich, white, relatives. Right?
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No, probably most of us started out with little or nothing and earned what we have. But even those who started out with a leg up, why should that diminish their value and accomplishments if they are an asset to society instead of a burden on it? What responsible people don't give good gifts to their children and want their children to have it better than we did? What other purpose is there in the traditional family other than to provide all a satisfying life and give your kids a good start to success and prosperity?

Somewhere in the whole PC schtick though, the notion arose that if everybody's kids don't prosper, then it is wrong if some do. . .IF those who do are white and were given opportunities by their parents who worked hard to provide those opportunities. My husband and I worked very hard and sacrificed some of our own comfort in retirement to ensure that our kids had opportunity to explore and try their wings and have positive culture experiences as well as receive a good education. But what they did with that opportunity and what they have accomplished with it is all them. And they have both given back to society what their success has made possible.

But of course it is entirely un-PC to suggest that it is okay to be from a traditional home with a mom and dad who earned what they have and who gave their children opportunity to achieve and prosper. And it isn't PC to suggest that the single mom, even those who do superb jobs of parenting and providing for their children, just isn't as well equipped to give her children as much opportunity to achieve and prosper.

PC generally doesn't allow appreciation for personal accomplishment by those not favored by the PC crowd.
 
AlbqOwl said:
No, probably most of us started out with little or nothing and earned what we have. But even those who started out with a leg up, why should that diminish their value and accomplishments if they are an asset to society instead of a burden on it? What responsible people don't give good gifts to their children and want their children to have it better than we did? What other purpose is there in the traditional family other than to provide all a satisfying life and give your kids a good start to success and prosperity?

Somewhere in the whole PC schtick though, the notion arose that if everybody's kids don't prosper, then it is wrong if some do. . .IF those who do are white and were given opportunities by their parents who worked hard to provide those opportunities. My husband and I worked very hard and sacrificed some of our own comfort in retirement to ensure that our kids had opportunity to explore and try their wings and have positive culture experiences as well as receive a good education. But what they did with that opportunity and what they have accomplished with it is all them. And they have both given back to society what their success has made possible.

But of course it is entirely un-PC to suggest that it is okay to be from a traditional home with a mom and dad who earned what they have and who gave their children opportunity to achieve and prosper. And it isn't PC to suggest that the single mom, even those who do superb jobs of parenting and providing for their children, just isn't as well equipped to give her children as much opportunity to achieve and prosper.

PC generally doesn't allow appreciation for personal accomplishment by those not favored by the PC crowd.
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AlbqOwl....this post by you should be made a STICKY. Very eloquently put.

I tried to LIKE it quite a few times, but the system would not let even one appear.
 
AlbqOwl said:
No, probably most of us started out with little or nothing and earned what we have. But even those who started out with a leg up, why should that diminish their value and accomplishments if they are an asset to society instead of a burden on it? What responsible people don't give good gifts to their children and want their children to have it better than we did? What other purpose is there in the traditional family other than to provide all a satisfying life and give your kids a good start to success and prosperity?

Somewhere in the whole PC schtick though, the notion arose that if everybody's kids don't prosper, then it is wrong if some do. . .IF those who do are white and were given opportunities by their parents who worked hard to provide those opportunities. My husband and I worked very hard and sacrificed some of our own comfort in retirement to ensure that our kids had opportunity to explore and try their wings and have positive culture experiences as well as receive a good education. But what they did with that opportunity and what they have accomplished with it is all them. And they have both given back to society what their success has made possible.

But of course it is entirely un-PC to suggest that it is okay to be from a traditional home with a mom and dad who earned what they have and who gave their children opportunity to achieve and prosper. And it isn't PC to suggest that the single mom, even those who do superb jobs of parenting and providing for their children, just isn't as well equipped to give her children as much opportunity to achieve and prosper.

PC generally doesn't allow appreciation for personal accomplishment by those not favored by the PC crowd.
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AlbqOwl...Your post should be made a STICKY. So eloquently put, and accurate.

I tried to LIKE it several times, but the system would not allow it. Maybe it is undergoing some downloads or something due to the late/early hour.
 
AlbqOwl said:
No, probably most of us started out with little or nothing and earned what we have. But even those who started out with a leg up, why should that diminish their value and accomplishments if they are an asset to society instead of a burden on it? What responsible people don't give good gifts to their children and want their children to have it better than we did? What other purpose is there in the traditional family other than to provide all a satisfying life and give your kids a good start to success and prosperity?

Somewhere in the whole PC schtick though, the notion arose that if everybody's kids don't prosper, then it is wrong if some do. . .IF those who do are white and were given opportunities by their parents who worked hard to provide those opportunities. My husband and I worked very hard and sacrificed some of our own comfort in retirement to ensure that our kids had opportunity to explore and try their wings and have positive culture experiences as well as receive a good education. But what they did with that opportunity and what they have accomplished with it is all them. And they have both given back to society what their success has made possible.

But of course it is entirely un-PC to suggest that it is okay to be from a traditional home with a mom and dad who earned what they have and who gave their children opportunity to achieve and prosper. And it isn't PC to suggest that the single mom, even those who do superb jobs of parenting and providing for their children, just isn't as well equipped to give her children as much opportunity to achieve and prosper.

PC generally doesn't allow appreciation for personal accomplishment by those not favored by the PC crowd.
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AlbqOwl...Your post should be made a STICKY. So eloquently put, and accurate.

I tried to LIKE it several times, but the system would not allow it. Maybe it is undergoing some downloads or something due to the late/early hour.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Real or not... some think it isn't and they are generally the ones guilty of being Politically Correct. :lol:

Thoughts....
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Sure it is. Just bring up statistics about black crime and see what happens.
 
Medusa said:
fine thanks and you
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When undergoing training at the Fleet Sonar School in San Diego, CA, USA I was privileged to have in my class one Turkish Naval Officer and four enlisted. We all became good friends.

They taught me some Turkish speaking and writing as I was always curious to learn other cultures.

Being a native Texan, I understood very well your sense of hospitality and personal honor.

(let me see if I get this right) Ben bir onjeressi of Turkish personal honor and hospitality.

I was even getting a dialect down pretty good when we all had to depart.

My wife at the time loved the SAMSON cigarettes Lt Erdodu gave her.

I am still intrigued the word for MAN is ADAM.
 
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when the truth becomes offensive...there's a fundamental structural problem with our society.
 
Yes, how can you question it?
 
Bodhisattva said:
retarded. Mentally challenged. Mentally handicapped. Handicapped. Hand-able. Black. African American. American. Etc. It is all bull****.

When others tell you that you are saying things wrong or that saying black instead of African America makes you racist, or a bigot or sexist for other things, things are out of control.

It is a classic Left Wing tactic. Attack the other side. Put them on the defensive and talk about them being a bigot instead of the actual issue. Pathetic.
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Well the term African American doesn't always apply though. Not all black people come from Africa and not all Africans are black. I've never met a black person that was offended by the word black, it's usually just spoiled liberal white kids who take offense because they like to create this illusion that they have some moral high ground to gain social status.
 
V3el said:
I've never met a black person that was offended by the word black,
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I have. Several. In fact they said that when a non-black person says black it is 100% a racist term.
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
When undergoing training at the Fleet Sonar School in San Diego, CA, USA I was privileged to have in my class one Turkish Naval Officer and four enlisted. We all became good friends.

They taught me some Turkish speaking and writing as I was always curious to learn other cultures.

Being a native Texan, I understood very well your sense of hospitality and personal honor.

(let me see if I get this right) Ben bir onjeressi of Turkish personal honor and hospitality.

I was even getting a dialect down pretty good when we all had to depart.

My wife at the time loved the SAMSON cigarettes Lt Erdodu gave her.

I am still intrigued the word for MAN is ADAM.
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ADAM is our father..:2razz:
 
Bodhisattva said:
I have. Several. In fact they said that when a non-black person says black it is 100% a racist term.
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Huh, well I've never come across that yet.

I did have someone the other night tell me that I shouldn't refer to gay people as gay regardless of the fact that the G in the acceptable acronym LGBT stands for gay. The conversation went like this...

Me: Well I know he's gay, so I figured the girl he was with is a friend.
Gay Person: Some of us don't like that label.
Me: Who's us?
Gay Person: Gay people.
Me: But you just used the same label to answer my question.

I think if these words are used in a derogatory way, then yes it's offensive. Like if I said something was totally gay as a synonym for the word stupid, then yes... that's offensive.

But that conversation made me feel uncomfortable because I felt like I was being backed into the socially unacceptable corner, especially since the conversation took place with other friends around. I think some political correctness is a good thing, but it's gone so far in that direction that it's beginning to contradict itself.
 
Your goofy , the conversation went like this, I say gay and gay people tell me that they don't as a group want to be called gay any more , I don't care your gay so I can call you gay.-------------- Who are you trying to kid . The right wing bigots flocking together and telling us what is right and wrong for everyone. As usual.
 
V3el said:
I think some political correctness is a good thing, but it's gone so far in that direction that it's beginning to contradict itself.
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Interesting conversation... and I agree with the above.
 
jbander said:
Your goofy , the conversation went like this, I say gay and gay people tell me that they don't as a group want to be called gay any more , I don't care your gay so I can call you gay.-------------- Who are you trying to kid . The right wing bigots flocking together and telling us what is right and wrong for everyone. As usual.
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PC is a very liberal attack technique...
 
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