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Political Correctness

Is Political Correctness Real

  • Yes

    Votes: 82 82.8%

  • No

    Votes: 8 8.1%

  • Other

    Votes: 9 9.1%
  • Total voters
    99
Bodhisattva said:
The problem is that you are conforming to what others deem to be "polite".

If you do not like something and say it is "stupid, idiotic, dumb, retarded" you are not being polite to a certain group. Almost anything can be "offensive".
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Really? You know what I'm doing? I choose to be polite. And I've said none of those things expected when someone is truly being stupid and enters into a debate or discussion situation. In an environment in which confrontation is the game. But if Prince wants to be called a symbol, I'm fine with doing it. And if any group wants to be called whatever they want to be called, I have no issues, nor should I. we're all free to be jerks, and others are free to call us on it. The only people I really see whining are those being called on it.

BTW, there has always been social norms, which have always had winners and losers. Society has changed in that respect.
 
Boo Radley said:
Really? You know what I'm doing? I choose to be polite. And I've said none of those things expected when someone is truly being stupid and enters into a debate or discussion situation. In an environment in which confrontation is the game. But if Prince wants to be called a symbol, I'm fine with doing it. And if any group wants to be called whatever they want to be called, I have no issues, nor should I. we're all free to be jerks, and others are free to call us on it. The only people I really see whining are those being called on it.

BTW, there has always been social norms, which have always had winners and losers. Society has changed in that respect.
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The point is this part, if you say "stupid, idiotic, dumb, retarded" you are not being polite to a certain group. Almost anything can be "offensive".
 
Bodhisattva said:
The point is this part, if you say "stupid, idiotic, dumb, retarded" you are not being polite to a certain group. Almost anything can be "offensive".
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The point is the arena. And the intent. It's not the same as simply running around doing things as if no one had feelings but you.
 
Boo Radley said:
The point is the arena. And the intent. It's not the same as simply running around doing things as if no one had feelings but you.
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Why then, is it politically incorrect to say, "that is retarded"?

Why was I called racist for saying a person was black and by another black person for using the term African American in the same conversation?

Are you claiming that many people who think they are politically correct are actually not correct and just being jerks?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Why then, is it politically incorrect to say, "that is retarded"?

Why was I called racist for saying a person was black and by another black person for using the term African American in the same conversation?

Are you claiming that many people who think they are politically correct are actually not correct and just being jerks?
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I don't know about politics, but if you're so disable, would retard be acceptable to you? It's just considering feelings of those weaker than you. It shouldn't be a concern of a strong person.

As for race, best to know your audience. I just call Jim Jim and Tanesa Tanesa.

And to be honest I've never seen anything political about any of it. Those who call someone with a disability a retard are just being jerks. Politics has nothing to do with it.
 
Boo Radley said:
I don't know about politics, but if you're so disable, would retard be acceptable to you? It's just considering feelings of those weaker than you. It shouldn't be a concern of a strong person.

As for race, best to know your audience. I just call Jim Jim and Tanesa Tanesa.

And to be honest I've never seen anything political about any of it. Those who call someone with a disability a retard are just being jerks. Politics has nothing to do with it.
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People trying to shush others that say, "THAT IS RETARDED!" are being PC Cops.... that is the point I am making. Not about those that are specifically being rude.
 
Bodhisattva said:
People trying to shush others that say, "THAT IS RETARDED!" are being PC Cops.... that is the point I am making. Not about those that are specifically being rude.
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And you don't think they're not just worried about other people's feelings?
 
Boo Radley said:
And you don't think they're not just worried about other people's feelings?
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That is it... worrying about overly sensitive people. You said it is about intent. If the intent is not to offend then it is now about others dictating language.
 
Bodhisattva said:
That is it... worrying about overly sensitive people. You said it is about intent. If the intent is not to offend then it is now about others dictating language.
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I'm not sure it's over sensitive. My with works with disabled people who have been hurt a lot by those words. They're not over sensitive either. BTW, who decides what is over sensitive?
 
Boo Radley said:
I'm not sure it's over sensitive. My with works with disabled people who have been hurt a lot by those words. They're not over sensitive either. BTW, who decides what is over sensitive?
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Those shushing people for what they say when the intent is obviously not to be offensive...
 
Boo Radley said:
And you don't think they're not just worried about other people's feelings?
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When you object to me calling something retarded who's feelings are you worried about? The mentally challenged? Are you aware that when I call something retarded I am in no way talking about the mentally challenged?
 
Boo Radley said:
I'm not sure it's over sensitive. My with works with disabled people who have been hurt a lot by those words. They're not over sensitive either. BTW, who decides what is over sensitive?
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Yes, they are. Are they aware that the word retard is used in situations involving them? Are they aware that the word existed before it was ever applied to the mentally challenged? Are they aware that when it is used as a slang it not referring to them?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Those shushing people for what they say when the intent is obviously not to be offensive...
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It seems you're making a judgement about intent without specifics.
 
Henrin said:
When you object to me calling something retarded who's feelings are you worried about? The mentally challenged? Are you aware that when I call something retarded I am in no way talking about the mentally challenged?
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I didn't say something, but someone. Still, are you by yourself or in a crowd? Is it impossible for anyone with reason to be offend to not be there? Does everyone know it and how do you and they know?

See, as we can't read minds, and we don't always know the audience, how can you be sure?
 
Henrin said:
Yes, they are. Are they aware that the word retard is used in situations involving them? Are they aware that the word existed before it was ever applied to the mentally challenged? Are they aware that when it is used as a slang it not referring to them?
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I've never heard it used in any other context, but do explain other uses. And slang doesn't change the meaning of the word. Context might, but its not so important a context to make the word something to hang onto.
 
Boo Radley said:
I've never heard it used in any other context, but do explain other uses. And slang doesn't change the meaning of the word. Context might, but its not so important a context to make the word something to hang onto.
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If you offer an idea on how something should be done and I respond by calling it retarded I am not referring to the mentally challenged, but to your idea that I consider to be stupid and not worth ****.

It was also used in music well before it was ever applied to certain group of people.
 
Boo Radley said:
I'm not sure it's over sensitive. My with works with disabled people who have been hurt a lot by those words. They're not over sensitive either. BTW, who decides what is over sensitive?
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Common sense decides what is overly sensitive. If it is blatantly obvious that someone is not using a word with the intent to be hurtful, yet someone goes out of their way to find offense to it anyways.... that is "overly sensitive".
 
Henrin said:
If you offer an idea on how something should be done and I respond by calling it retarded I am not referring to the mentally challenged, but to your idea that I consider to be stupid and not worth ****.

It was also used in music well before it was ever applied to certain group of people.
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Which would likely be a pretty private conversation. But if you did it in public, not knowing who was there, there is likely to some one either disabled or connected with someone someone disabled. It's a silly word, not worth defense. Is your vocabulary extremely limited?
 
Caine said:
Common sense decides what is overly sensitive. If it is blatantly obvious that someone is not using a word with the intent to be hurtful, yet someone goes out of their way to find offense to it anyways.... that is "overly sensitive".
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The phrase common sense is too often use to cover up a lack of reasoning present in an argument. While I agree context matters, I also recognize a population so abused by a word that context becomes irrelevant.
 
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