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If you support the government flying the confederate flag......

Which would you support on federal or state property?


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If you support the government flying the confederate flag would you also support flying these flags on federal property as a symbol of pride and history? As someone already pointed out, removing the words on the pictures. Just using the symbols themselves.

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Is there some significant memorial these flags should be flying on?
 
State capitols, white house. Any federal or state buildings.
Wrong. They are in no way relevant to any significant memorial.
 
I never claimed it was. The question is pretty simple. Do you support flying these flags and/or the confederate flag or neither on government property.
And my answer was in the form of a question; "Is there some significant memorial these flags should be flying on?"

Intelligent folks would understand the reply as meaning that if you can show there is a significant memorial that they should be flying on, it would be ok. Duh!
They would also understand the question alluding to an unobtainable position as there is no significant memorial on Government property to which they are relevant, let alone comparable to the Battle flag.
 
Not the federal, but any state that decides it wants to fly those flags is up to the people of those states. That's the problem with continually lumping them together as you have here. They are separate entities in their grants of power.
 
I don't think the official flag of the KKK is the confederate flag, I could be wrong, I don't check those things out lol...and I think many have good arguments saying that in history the battle flag did not mean slavery to most people of the time and the civil war was a conflict with many reasons and to pin it on just black and white, slavery and no slavery would be a disservice to the 400,000 confederate soldiers that died, the country was broken and conflicted and shaming a large amount of peoples ancestors does no good to me.... but many people today don't give two s***'s about them anymore so, whatever

What do the symbols on the flag mean? The black fist? Doesn't that directly mean black power? And I couldn't find what the Black Panther logo means, just that it was the logo of the black panther party.... But if someone were to tell me it's a symbol for equal civil rights for african americans... I would believe them. And I would be fine with that in STATE government places, if it's relevant, like idk a ground for civil rights or whatever. And if these same people denounce the black panther party...which they are often related to(Much like the kkk relating to the confederate flag)
Then yea, It would be the same :) and I would see no problem.

The symbols in the confederate flag strictly means separating from the union.
 
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If you support the government flying the confederate flag would you also support flying these flags on federal property as a symbol of pride and history? As someone already pointed out, removing the words on the pictures. Just using the symbols themselves.

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There is no significant "history" attached to the Black Panther flag which any government should feel compelled to honor. Just about the only thing it represents is a racist and quasi-terrorist Cold War-era hate group, which is still active and engaging in acts of violence in many parts of the country.

By way of contrast, not only has the questionable organization that the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia was originally affiliated with been dead and gone for more than 150 years, but, being a "battle" flag, it was never even that organization's official symbol to begin with. Beyond which, the governments and people of Southern states actually can claim that the flag represents a significant aspect of their history and heritage. The Black Panthers never had any official government representation, and their political and cultural influence was quite limited at best.

It's simply not the same thing. A better comparison would be trying to put up some sort of "Klu Klux Klan" memorial. Good luck with that one! lol
 
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The only flag that I support flying in the USA is the U.S. flag, the Stars and Stripes flag.
 
If you support the government flying the confederate flag would you also support flying these flags on federal property as a symbol of pride and history? As someone already pointed out, removing the words on the pictures. Just using the symbols themselves.

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I'd like to point out that the SC Government is not flying the Confederate flag over actual State facilities that are part of the governance of modern SC.

There is one flying over the Confederate War Memorial, a relevant historical site.

It is not being flown in SC as a representation of the State or the government of same, but over a historical monument as an expression of actual history.


There is a difference.
 
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If you support the government flying the confederate flag would you also support flying these flags on federal property as a symbol of pride and history? As someone already pointed out, removing the words on the pictures. Just using the symbols themselves.

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No. The confederacy was an independent nation for four years. A war was fought for those 4 years that lead to more casualties than any war before or any war since. The Civil War will hopefully be our last civil war if we learn from it. If we ignore it we may be destined for a second civil war that will claim even more casualties. The Black Panthers have never existed as an independent nation within the borders of the United States. I don't see the Black Panthers to be a significant part of our history as a nation. There is no lesson to be learned from the display of a Black Panther flag.

This is a silly thread. I voted, "no". We can't use racist sensitivities as an excuse to prevent our country from experiencing a future disaster. Man up and learn from the past. Don't ignore it just because it hurts your feelings. There is valuable insight offered from history.

I voted neither in your poll.
 
Abraham Lincoln pardoned all rebels fighting in the Confederate military. The veterans who lost their life fighting for the Confederacy are entitled to equal dignity for their sacrifice. The president in 1865 granted them that dignity.
 
I'd like to point out that the SC Government is not flying the Confederate flag over actual State facilities that are part of the governance of modern SC.

There is one flying over the Confederate War Memorial, a relevant historical site.

It is not being flown in SC as a representation of the State or the government of same, but over a historical monument as an expression of actual history.


There is a difference.

All states that were part of the Confederacy are only allowed to exist if their state constitution forbids succeeding from the United States. South Carolina would be violating their own constitution if they flew a Confederate flag over their capitol building.
 
Wrong. They are in no way relevant to any significant memorial.

Neither is the 1950s version of the battle flag of Northern Virginia.
 
There is no significant "history" attached to the Black Panther flag which any government should feel compelled to honor. Just about the only thing it represents is a racist and quasi-terrorist Cold War-era hate group, which is still active and engaging in acts of violence in many parts of the country.

By way of contrast, not only has the questionable organization that the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia was originally affiliated with been dead and gone for more than 150 years, but, being a "battle" flag, it was never even that organization's official symbol to begin with. Beyond which, the governments and people of Southern states actually can claim that the flag represents a significant aspect of their history and heritage. The Black Panthers never had any official government representation, and their political and cultural influence was quite limited at best.

It's simply not the same thing. A better comparison would be trying to put up some sort of "Klu Klux Klan" memorial. Good luck with that one! lol

The black panther party is a source of pride for many african americans in the united states. Yes most view it as racist, but not all. Just like the confederate flag. It is a part of african american history, and they do represent parts of that culture. Just like the confederate flag. Why would one be more appropriate than the other?
 
Neither is the 1950s version of the battle flag of Northern Virginia.
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Hmmm? A Civil War Battle flag isn't relevant to a Civil War Memorial?
You don't say? :doh
 
No. The confederacy was an independent nation for four years. A war was fought for those 4 years that lead to more casualties than any war before or any war since. The Civil War will hopefully be our last civil war if we learn from it. If we ignore it we may be destined for a second civil war that will claim even more casualties. The Black Panthers have never existed as an independent nation within the borders of the United States. I don't see the Black Panthers to be a significant part of our history as a nation. There is no lesson to be learned from the display of a Black Panther flag.

This is a silly thread. I voted, "no". We can't use racist sensitivities as an excuse to prevent our country from experiencing a future disaster. Man up and learn from the past. Don't ignore it just because it hurts your feelings. There is valuable insight offered from history.

I voted neither in your poll.

Neither is the answer I am hoping to see.
 
Neither is the answer I am hoping to see.
Hope all you want.
Neither is wrong because the Battle flag is relevant to the Memorial.
 
Not the federal, but any state that decides it wants to fly those flags is up to the people of those states. That's the problem with continually lumping them together as you have here. They are separate entities in their grants of power.

This would have been my answer, as well.

I'll even go a bit further and say I won't support either of those flags being flown by a public institution in my own State...Colorado...but I do support the right of other States to decide for themselves.

My opinion of their decision should hold no relevance to them.

I should add that I didn't vote in the poll because of the ambiguity of the part about States.
 
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