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should we rename military bases

should military bases be renamed

  • yes

    Votes: 4 18.2%

  • no

    Votes: 13 59.1%

  • maybe

    Votes: 1 4.5%

  • i dont care

    Votes: 4 18.2%

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With all the talk about removing the confederate flag over govt property,why not discuss us govt property being named in memorial of famous confederate generals.


for example fort lee in virginia is named after general lee,fort hood in texas is named after general hood in texas. Altogether there are ten military bases named after confederate military leaders.
 
No, mainly because it would start a mess.
 
beerftw said:
With all the talk about removing the confederate flag over govt property,why not discuss us govt property being named in memorial of famous confederate generals.


for example fort lee in virginia is named after general lee,fort hood in texas is named after general hood in texas. Altogether there are ten military bases named after confederate military leaders.
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That makes as little sense as removing all slave owners from US currency.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That makes as little sense as removing all slave owners from US currency.
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Weeeeeell, not really. As abhorrent and vile as slavery was and is, the better argument against naming things after Confederate generals is that they were all traitors. Washington and Jefferson may have owned slaves, but it wasn't their moral or philosophical aptitude that put their faces on the money -- it was their contribution to the nation.

Lee, Jackson, Hood, Beauregard, etc., were all traitors to the United States, and for this reason alone they should not be venerated, but reviled.
 
/orphanslug

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There's no point because you'll cause a fuss over nothing really.
 
I don't think that is necessary. They were military tacticians so I think it is appropriate. We were at war with Native Americans and yet we name many of our weapons systems after them out of respective for their warrior ethos. I don't think the criteria for military names should be the same as the criteria for deciding what flags to fly on a state building.
 
Ad_Captandum said:
Weeeeeell, not really. As abhorrent and vile as slavery was and is, the better argument against naming things after Confederate generals is that they were all traitors. Washington and Jefferson may have owned slaves, but it wasn't their moral or philosophical aptitude that put their faces on the money -- it was their contribution to the nation.

Lee, Jackson, Hood, Beauregard, etc., were all traitors to the United States, and for this reason alone they should not be venerated, but reviled.
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Using that logic then those fighting the British in our revolutionary war were traitors as well. Rebellion against the current government is only "valid" if you win. ;).
 
beerftw said:
With all the talk about removing the confederate flag over govt property,why not discuss us govt property being named in memorial of famous confederate generals.


for example fort lee in virginia is named after general lee,fort hood in texas is named after general hood in texas. Altogether there are ten military bases named after confederate military leaders.
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Military forts are different than the flag that a state sanctions. Don't get me wrong...I'd prefer we have Fort Bradly, Fort Eisenhower, Fort Patton, Fort Pershing...etc...would be nice if they were named for guys that led our forces when the nation was united against foreign threats...and actually won...but I don't think it's the same thing as the confederate flag.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Using that logic then those fighting the British in our revolutionary war were traitors as well. Rebellion against the current government is only "valid" if you win. ;).
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Not only if you win (but winning is a factor), but also the reason you are rebelling. If you look at the reasons for the Revolutionary War and the reasons for the Civil War you may notice that the reasons are a bit different. But yes, they were traitors to England.
 
Yes. Vitally important. I'm in favor of changing Fort Lee to Spanky's Playground.
 
NO
There is a difference between a name(intangible) and a definite object(tangible) . . Name changing will accomplish nothing .. except needless expense .
 
There ought to be a camp PoS. :cool:
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That makes as little sense as removing all slave owners from US currency.
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well exactly but the whole flag debate is back open,why not bring everything into the discussion???im waiting for native americans to protest american flags on reservations,or whatever the next thing is that people are gonna throw a fit about.
 
We need to develop a purity test for these kinds of things. Don't want people to be offended or triggered.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Using that logic then those fighting the British in our revolutionary war were traitors as well. Rebellion against the current government is only "valid" if you win. ;).
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Indeed, as cliche as it is, history is written by the victors. Still, it's rather clear to see that the real status quo is indeed that a rebellion comprises acts by rebels, or traitors. The US managed to carve itself a nice chunk of the Eastern seaboard to be its homeland, but it's certainly true that before the US was a nation, the patriot army were rebels and traitors.

It's not necessarily a judgment call; only a fact. I'm quite glad that that particular band of traitors succeeded in their rebellion.

The Confederates were also traitors and rebels. They lost, and so they'll never have the glory of shirking off the label of traitor, as that it what they remain.

Not to mention, after all of this, that their cause was a terrible one. I'm happy the southern traitors were crushed, as any American should be.
 
Next we'll be hearing how every confederate person, colonel, general - picture or statue, plaque or placard, will be removed and banned. Perhaps the people pushing this nonsense will only be happy once America has erased everything having to do with the South - good or bad - up to and including history, symbols, letters, journals, films, books, etc... until 1880. That way we can effectively brush under the rug about 100 years worth of offensive things people don't want to discuss, don't want to address or don't want to remember.

The agitations and knee jerk reactions are just amazing to behold.
 
Ad_Captandum said:
Indeed, as cliche as it is, history is written by the victors. Still, it's rather clear to see that the real status quo is indeed that a rebellion comprises acts by rebels, or traitors. The US managed to carve itself a nice chunk of the Eastern seaboard to be its homeland, but it's certainly true that before the US was a nation, the patriot army were rebels and traitors.

It's not necessarily a judgment call; only a fact. I'm quite glad that that particular band of traitors succeeded in their rebellion.

The Confederates were also traitors and rebels. They lost, and so they'll never have the glory of shirking off the label of traitor, as that it what they remain.

Not to mention, after all of this, that their cause was a terrible one. I'm happy the southern traitors were crushed, as any American should be.
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Perhaps you should ask some Native Americans just how honorable and freedom loving the nation was after defeating those southern state traitors. Was the cause of finding gold in the Black Hills justification for relocating (wiping our?) the tribes that held title to those lands? The US (union?) army was not fighting for only noble causes - freeing the slaves was one cause but killing any that resisted the latest westward expansion plans was also a cause.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Perhaps you should ask some Native Americans just how honorable and freedom loving the nation was after defeating those southern state traitors. Was the cause of finding gold in the Black Hills justification for relocating (wiping our?) the tribes that held title to those lands? The US (union?) army was not fighting for only noble causes - freeing the slaves was one cause but killing any that resisted the latest westward expansion plans was also a cause.
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I didn't think we'd have to get even more cliche, but here's another: Two wrongs don't make a right.

Or, more accurately, the North may indeed have been fighting a war primarily concerned with maintaining control and sovereignty over the rebellious states and crushing any (Southerner or Native) that opposed them -- but that doesn't make the South's cause any less abhorrent.

Maybe we should bring a third cliche, the lesser of two evils, into play here.
 
beerftw said:
With all the talk about removing the confederate flag over govt property,why not discuss us govt property being named in memorial of famous confederate generals.


for example fort lee in virginia is named after general lee,fort hood in texas is named after general hood in texas. Altogether there are ten military bases named after confederate military leaders.
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Yes! It's also probably going to happen sooner or later. The flags will come down first, then we'll rename roads, then after the cultural tide has shifted more we'll start renaming the forts.
 
beerftw said:
With all the talk about removing the confederate flag over govt property,why not discuss us govt property being named in memorial of famous confederate generals.


for example fort lee in virginia is named after general lee,fort hood in texas is named after general hood in texas. Altogether there are ten military bases named after confederate military leaders.
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Who also served in the federal army correct?
 
stonewall50 said:
Who also served in the federal army correct?
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i come on cant bring that up,its not like general lee and general grant were friends who served together in the mexican american war went to westpoint together etc.
 
*sigh*

Why do I feel like we are at the beginning of an attempted whitewashing of part of our history?
 
beerftw said:
i come on cant bring that up,its not like general lee and general grant were friends who served together in the mexican american war went to westpoint together etc.
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Lol! Didn't lee participate in the thing against John brown at Harper's ferry as a federal?
 
What possible reason would there be for it???
 
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